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Title: Started learning Vivaldi's 'Winter' Concerto
Post by: TwilightOdyssey on October 17, 2006, 02:15:39 PM: If you have a decent grasp of sight reading skills and want a crash course in neoclassical shred, it's a great piece to learn. The piece is called 'Winter' from the 'Four Seasons' Opus. It's also the darkest of the 4 pieces. I've made it up to measure 30 so far, and loving it!

I have the Schirmer transcription of it. Schirmer makes the best classical transcriptions!

Almost every scale and mode is altered to some extent, which makes pattern playing chalenging, as you have to memorize different patterns for each run. It also features some really strange double stops (F and Gb double stop, anyone?).

Anyway, it's a fun piece, and an advanced guitarist can probably get the first movement down in a few evenings.
Title: Started learning Vivaldi's 'Winter' Concerto
Post by: dave_mc on October 17, 2006, 03:24:24 PM: our school band used to play the largo movement of winter. it ruled (i played the drums in the school band). I think i had to hit the bass/kick drum about twice for that piece, so I just got to listen to it mostly- great melody.

vivaldi rules. one of my favourite composers.

I'll check out that tab, thanks ben. I remember the time I tried to work out how to play "arrival of the queen of sheba" by handel as well, good times. that'd be a good one to see if there's a tab to as well, for a kind of semi-shred/classical guitar piece.

:drink:

EDIT: i'm assuming you have to buy those? and it's in music notation, not tab?

:drink:

EDIT #2: is this the movement? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTf4A04oHLo

(hilarious video too... or at least, apparently hilarious to germans...)
Title: Started learning Vivaldi's 'Winter' Concerto
Post by: TwilightOdyssey on October 17, 2006, 03:29:32 PM: You are correct on both points:
It's a physical book, and it's multi-stave notation, not guitar TAB. I'm transcribing it for guitar.

Maybe I'll make a TAB of it when I get it down, tho ...
Title: Started learning Vivaldi's 'Winter' Concerto
Post by: dave_mc on October 17, 2006, 03:45:48 PM: ^ i hate making tabs. I could probably figure it out by ear, but yeah, there's no way I could be bothered tabbing it.

I think i'm gonna have a go at the summer presto movement actually (the summer storm)- i'd say it's maybe the darkest one, actually.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dct8n7y2Y4&mode=related&search=
Title: Started learning Vivaldi's 'Winter' Concerto
Post by: TwilightOdyssey on October 17, 2006, 03:50:26 PM: If you can sort it out by ear, more power to ya. That's why I learned how to read music -- so I wouldn't have to spend countless hrs replaying a line to get it perfect.
Title: Started learning Vivaldi's 'Winter' Concerto
Post by: dave_mc on October 17, 2006, 03:59:51 PM: ^ hah, i can read music too, i'm just a lazy bugger.

I can read music to play on a piano easier, i can't be bothered translating that to the guitar (i tend to think in fret numbers on the guitar, again because of sheer laziness).

:lol:

but yeah, if you can sight read the music onto the guitar, that'd be the handy way. :)
Title: Started learning Vivaldi's 'Winter' Concerto
Post by: Davey on October 17, 2006, 04:05:54 PM: i'll try it out..

after i'm done with the gilbert vids.....

i need teh basics! not just teh speedzor!

good luck though.
Title: Started learning Vivaldi's 'Winter' Concerto
Post by: n_mountain on October 17, 2006, 07:15:58 PM: I had the transcription as well, but didn't try to play it.
I used it to steal my favourite chord progressions from the concerto, so I could use them in my music. :)
Did the same with Mozarts Requiem.

The only classical piece I once started learning on electric guitar was the Capriccio Nr 16 by Paganini. It's not as high speed as some of the others but it's chock full of unconventional fingerings, and big intervalls, so you really need to get creative on how to play it.

Good luck with the practicing TO! :)
Title: Started learning Vivaldi's 'Winter' Concerto
Post by: TwilightOdyssey on October 17, 2006, 08:07:53 PM: I have a BRILLIANT Italian transcription of the 24 Caprici! I've picked through most of em, and should really make a concentrated study of it one of these years. Hmmm ... maybe in 2k7, who knows?
Title: Started learning Vivaldi's 'Winter' Concerto
Post by: n_mountain on October 17, 2006, 08:38:01 PM: Is it the one by Ricordi?
with Salvatore Accardo and Edward Neill?
That's the one i have.
hmm, maybe I should work on that Nr 16 again...
Title: Started learning Vivaldi's 'Winter' Concerto
Post by: JamesHealey on October 17, 2006, 08:48:02 PM: can i have a copy of the transcription?
Title: Started learning Vivaldi's 'Winter' Concerto
Post by: TwilightOdyssey on October 17, 2006, 08:49:14 PM: Quote from: n_mountain
Is it the one by Ricordi?
with Salvatore Accardo and Edward Neill?
That's the one i have.
hmm, maybe I should work on that Nr 16 again...

It's def. an Italian printing. I'll check tonight.
Title: Started learning Vivaldi's 'Winter' Concerto
Post by: TwilightOdyssey on October 17, 2006, 08:53:40 PM: Quote from: JamesHealey
can i have a copy of the transcription?

PM me.
Title: Started learning Vivaldi's 'Winter' Concerto
Post by: dave_mc on October 17, 2006, 10:08:27 PM: Quote from: TwilightOdyssey
I have a BRILLIANT Italian transcription of the 24 Caprici! I've picked through most of em, and should really make a concentrated study of it one of these years. Hmmm ... maybe in 2k7, who knows?

wow, those are hardcore. i think i have a tab of one of them from a guitar world that yng tabbed (the 24th?).

:(
Title: Started learning Vivaldi's 'Winter' Concerto
Post by: lulusg on October 18, 2006, 01:49:16 AM: I saw Uli Roth at the House of Blues about a couple of years ago. He played three of Vivaldis four seasons, with that wicked guitar he had made just to play Vivaldi. What a great challenge Ben.
Title: Started learning Vivaldi's 'Winter' Concerto
Post by: TwilightOdyssey on October 18, 2006, 04:33:05 AM: My printing of the Caprici is by Kalmus, and I purchased it at the Juliard's book store @ Lincoln Center. It is printed on heavy duty parchment and high quality paper, and I only paid $6.50 for it!
Title: Started learning Vivaldi's 'Winter' Concerto
Post by: Muso on October 18, 2006, 07:26:42 PM: Wow I didn't think Uli Jon roth had anywhere near the technical ability to play the 4 seasons, guess u learn something new every day.
Title: Started learning Vivaldi's 'Winter' Concerto
Post by: TwilightOdyssey on October 18, 2006, 07:43:16 PM: Quote from: Muso
Wow I didn't think Uli Jon roth had anywhere near the technical ability to play the 4 seasons, guess u learn something new every day.

He might not. However, Uli CAN, and often does, rip it up!

I've heard MANY interpretation of the 4 Seasons, and most of them are dumbed down.
Title: Started learning Vivaldi's 'Winter' Concerto
Post by: Elliot on October 18, 2006, 11:02:42 PM: I have played it on the classical guitar - its like grade 2 or 3 exam or something - how do you do the contrapunctal stuff on the electric - fingers or pick?
Title: Started learning Vivaldi's 'Winter' Concerto
Post by: TwilightOdyssey on October 18, 2006, 11:47:25 PM: I studied classical guitar for a few years, and my technique was pretty good, tho now long rusty.

I pick everything.
Title: Started learning Vivaldi's 'Winter' Concerto
Post by: Muso on October 19, 2006, 10:39:11 AM: Grade 2 or 3 u gotta be joking? that must be one seriousley dumbed down version, I mean its a violin concerto no easy feat!

I would love to see the sheet music for classical guitar, see if it sounds any good.
Title: Started learning Vivaldi's 'Winter' Concerto
Post by: Elliot on October 19, 2006, 01:03:15 PM: I have the classical guitar arrangement for the exam and its the melody line with a relatively easy contrapunctal harmony:

Often classical schools do this - Paganni's guitar sonatas (which contain all hands on the fretboard in a game of finger twister) are often higher up the grade listing than his violin pieces transposed for guitar - purely because the transposition is melody.
Title: Started learning Vivaldi's 'Winter' Concerto
Post by: TwilightOdyssey on October 19, 2006, 02:10:26 PM: I not playing the 'main' melody line, which any guitarist can play in a matter of minutes. I'm learning the whole concerto, note for note. When transcribed for guitar, I would put it in the 'very difficult' column.
Title: Started learning Vivaldi's 'Winter' Concerto
Post by: dave_mc on October 19, 2006, 06:08:45 PM: ^ wow, yeah, that'd be hard. :(
Title: Started learning Vivaldi's 'Winter' Concerto
Post by: Elliot on October 19, 2006, 10:51:52 PM: For the record I figured you weren't playing the grade 2 piss easy piece!
Title: Started learning Vivaldi's 'Winter' Concerto
Post by: dave_mc on October 19, 2006, 10:57:39 PM: ^ so did i- but I thought he was playing the first violin part or something like that. not the entire score!

so yeah. wow.
Title: Started learning Vivaldi's 'Winter' Concerto
Post by: Muzzzz on November 30, 2006, 06:58:24 AM: Once i tabbed out Fantasie-Impromptu by Chopin. I gave up learning it though. I can play it on piano, but i'll set some smaller goals for now, coz i'm just starting on guitar :(:(:(
Title: Started learning Vivaldi's 'Winter' Concerto
Post by: gingataff on November 30, 2006, 07:06:37 AM: Tony MacAlpine started on piano and he's awesome :D
Title: Started learning Vivaldi's 'Winter' Concerto
Post by: Muzzzz on November 30, 2006, 07:26:33 AM: Yay! :lol: Hope!

I'm squeezing shiteloads of practice in now, coz i'm 15 and it aint long before i'll have too much schoolwork to practice so much :( How depressing.