Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: sambo on October 30, 2006, 09:00:33 PM
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ok, as some of you may know the style of stuff im into is classic to hard rock, sometimes verging on a bit of metal...
clean tones are also essential, a lot of picking of chords goes on, and a fair amount of open chord strumming, so needs to be nice and clean...
ive got a few ideas at the moment, budget is gonna vary, anywhere from £400-800 ish depending on how long i hold on and how much i want something.
so, shortlist:
Orange Rocker 30- just concerned about the capabilities of the clean channel - the very limited EQ options.
Genz Benz El Diablo 60C- only concern is theyre a bit less common than other stuff and therefore havent got many peoples opinions on them.
Laney GH50L- a favourite round here, BUT the one channel is a worry.
lastly- some kind of Randall maybe? not sure where to start in this department though.
any info on any of the amps mentioned or any suitable alternatives is much appreciated,
cheers,
sam.
EDIT: and also, a combo is MUCH preferred, needs to be suitable for practise and small gigs, hence why i was looking at 30 watt-ish valve combos.
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Matamp and a Homebrew Power Screamer with Fat Boost?
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lol, which matamp? and how much is that gonna bloody cost me? a couple of limbs?
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....Laney!!
I thought i would need a clean channel, and i do, but it is possible with the footswitch i think.
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hmmmm im tempted... but its just a bit dodgy... are you gonna get the footswitch?
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lol, which matamp? and how much is that gonna bloody cost me? a couple of limbs?
Audiotoyz website + whatever takes your fancy in Matamp, or get a Koch = :lol:
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:lol:
but arent Koch's also very expensive lol...
i'll check out the audiotoys thing now... what are kochs like... ?
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:lol:
but arent Koch's also very expensive lol...
i'll check out the audiotoys thing now... what are kochs like... ?
PMSL! :lol: There ok i suppose
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:D :lol:
lol on a serious note though.... well as serious as people on this forum can be about Koch's lol. was it you that a bought a koch AMP johnny? lol... and if so, whats it like?
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you have several options, sam (plus probably a few I've left out! :lol: )
genz benz el-diablo: probably more metal-oriented, though- but it depends what you mean by hard rock. A lot of the modern rockers use rectos. also has half power operation, to get it down to 30 watts. I like it... a lot.
koch studiotone: probably the only koch in your price range... it's good, but not as good as the dearer amps, IMO. only 20 watts too, so it'll probably do gigs just about.
Engl screamer: very nice, I think the el-diablo is better (albeit dearer), though- but I admit I haven't tried them head to head.
Laney GH- don't know much about this one, I haven't tried it.
Laney tt50 combo: if it's like the head, it's really good. Around £670, if you shop around. I'm not sure if it'll compare tonally to something like an el diablo, though.
Mesa f30: sounds quite modern- definitely worth a try though, as I said earlier, lots of modern rockers use rectos or similarly-voiced amps.
Marshall DSL- i'm not a fan, I don't think it compares to the other amps mentioned, but they're ubiquitous, and you might as well try one.
Ashdown fallen angel: ditto marshall.
Randall RG50tc: ditto marshall and ashdown, except not as ubiquitous!
Randall modular series: might be way over budget, but cool the way you can switch modules. problem is, the recto model was cr@p.
Hughes and Kettner edition tube: pretty much ditto the koch studiotone.
Peavey 5150/6505 combo: good metal tones, and hard rock, terrible cleans. peavey are too dear for what they are this side of the atlantic, if you ask me.
Traynor ycv50blue: I haven't actually tried this one, but the other traynors I've tried are nice- but they do tend to vintage.
Matamp: no idea on the models, but they get a great rep. round here, and by and large, the guys round here know their guitar kit, so it's definitely worth looking into.
there's probably something really obvious that I've missed., unfortunately.
EDIT: orange rocker 30 :oops: : I wouldn't worry about the clean channel, it kicks ass. not much in the way of headroom, though. I wasn't overly impressed with the overdrive channel, though- it jumped from almost no pre-amp gain (i.e. struggling to even hit classic rock) to way too much between about 6 and 6.5 on the gain dial. Maybe the one I tried was faulty, though. Assuming it wasn't, some of the other amps are better, in my opinion, unless you just fall in love with the voicing.
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cheers dave,
so going by what you've said... you would say El Diablo is top of the pile?
i personally like playing metal more than anything else for my own use, but band wise it needs to be toned down sometimes a little, not mild overdrive or anything silly lol, just not all out saturated fizz/fuzz type distortion alllll the time...
so as long as the El Diablo can do that, it'll do nicely. and its the one that caught my eye when i first looked at it as well...
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going by my totally personal opinion, I'd say, in order:
1: genz benz
2: engl screamer
3: mesa f30/laney tt- maybe even the laney edging it slightly.
but that's totally personal preference, and my reading of what tones you say you want- i may be reading you wrong, for example, and also there may be some aspect of any of the amps which you just can't get along with, which I may not mind. EDIT: and not counting the matamp, which I haven't tried.
luckily, most of those amps are reasonably easy to try in the area that you're in- laney are everywhere, mesa are too, engl are pretty ubiquitous too, and genz benz aren't too bad to find, either.
EDIT: cr@pz0rs, I forgot the vht pittbull super 30 combo. it's more hard rock than metal, but it's a nice amp- it probably sneaks into that third spot, it's about on a par with the mesa/laney. might be a little dear, though.
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excellent, thanks. i know what your saying about it being your opinion and your reading of what im after, and i guess thats where it comes down to me having to go and play some myself.
im gonna have to try an ENGL and a Genz Benz i think, i've been thinking about ENGLs for bloody ages now, and have been interested in Genz Benz a lotttt recently... just gonna have to raise the cash now.
cheers again for the info, really does help.
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Me buy a Koch? Naah I just went down the guitar shop and pretended to be interested in one. I play a guitar so that's what you do! :lol:
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
damn who was it then!?!?!
hunter...!? it was hunter wasnt it?
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Groan! :roll: :lol:
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excellent, thanks. i know what your saying about it being your opinion and your reading of what im after, and i guess thats where it comes down to me having to go and play some myself.
im gonna have to try an ENGL and a Genz Benz i think, i've been thinking about ENGLs for bloody ages now, and have been interested in Genz Benz a lotttt recently... just gonna have to raise the cash now.
cheers again for the info, really does help.
no problem, man, any time. :drink:
Me buy a Koch? Naah I just went down the guitar shop and pretended to be interested in one. I play a guitar so that's what you do! :lol:
:lol:
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JM has a big black Koch he beats immigrants with :twisted:
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lol!.... honestly nick.... tut tut... your supposed to be an adult! :lol:
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went to local music store today and they had HBE pedals. They said found another distributor.
Had a Screamer (though bought mine from em at 1/2 the price?!?!) a UFO and another I cannot find on HBE site,agggh.
Also, gawd knows how they get this stuff, a used (looking like bloody new) Bad Cat Hot Cat head 8) and a Koch Powertone II 1/2 stack :twisted:
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well thats great... but how does it help ME nick.... eh? EH?!
kidding,
i like the look of UFOs, although wouldnt really do me much good. sound cool though.
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that and you probably originate from Roswell :)
And why not get the Bad Cat or Koch ;)
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lol Roswell's cool!
and yer, hang on, ill just go empty my piggy bank..... :?
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heck, the Bad Cat was used dude 8)
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lol :evil: :x
buy me an El Diablo already.
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Sam look into the laney VH100R. Has the gain of the GH series but with a fender like clean tone. But it's easier to get the clean and dirty tones with its footswitch
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cheers steve! see nick- thats what your supposed to be doing- making good suggestions :P
lol, thanks steve..
is that the one that Kiko geezer uses and a few other pretty big people?
cant remember which other band it was...
and can you get it in a combo?
cheers
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Had a Screamer
I had a screamer last night too... the people next door complained that she was just too loud....
jk!
I've heard good about the Genz Benz El Diablos for sure. Also I've been digging the Laney GH50Ls too. Laney TTs look cool too and have midi support!
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haha!
Dean- how useful would you say Midi support is?
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haha!
Dean- how useful would you say Midi support is?
Depends... it's a quick, easy transcription tool for one. And two, I like messing around with MIDI. None of my amps have it and it wouldn't be a major deciding factor, but I'd certainly have some fun with it!
Here's some I did (the first one is the most complete... play it all the way through, trust me, and the last is just something I threw together quickly and the middle is something not complete but not a hackjob).
http://www.yumb.com/midi/solo.mid
http://www.yumb.com/midi/score.mid
http://www.yumb.com/midi/bassline.mid
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Yes mate Kiko Loureiro and Mattias Eklundh. Andy Timmons used to use them as well.
You can get it in a Combo, but Laney no longer makes them. They were called the VC50. It was a 2 x 12 combo that had the preamp and power amp stages of the VH100R. You can find them pretty cheap, much cheaper than the head.
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ahh excellent, cheers steve mate.
and dean- wicked- ill check them out in a sec.
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/LANEY-VC100-Monster-Amp-Amplifier-100W_W0QQitemZ280043025628QQihZ018QQcategoryZ10171QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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ooooooooooooooooooooo!
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so
r u prepared, been patient, got funds, ready for 'bargain' perhaps?
No :lol:
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lol :( :cry:
i want it..
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best deliver more papers
sell summit
or stand around on dark lit street corners then ;)
JK
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:lol:
well thing is... ive been wanting to sell stuff on ebay for AGES but my dad wont hurry up and do it arrrrrrrrrrrgh...
who wants to sell stuff for me on ebay?
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This with a good drive pedal (MI Crunch Box) will make you happy ... but gotta be quick http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Marshall-jmp-Master-Model-50-w-Mk2-lead-2x12-combo-amp_W0QQitemZ320041622960QQihZ011QQcategoryZ10171QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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they used to make a combo version of the vh100r, the vc50 (and I guess the vc100 that was already posted is the 100 watt version). it's been discontinued, though- second hand is the only way to get one (unless they reintroduce it).
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Well, I'm at the hard rock/melodic metal end of the scale and I do so love my Ashdown. I've just successfully worked out how to get a Hendrix sound out of the dirty channel (I could already do it on the clean channel, which is part of the beauty of it) and pissed off my wife by slamming out a very loud and slightly off time Purple Haze :twisted:
It's A) inexpensive
B) has GREAT cleans
C) is massively versatile. Although it was largely touted as a Nu Metal amp (which it does do WONDERFULLY) It pretty much covers all the bases. The fully independant channel controls allow infinite tweaking. By adjusting the EQ and gain on the clean channel you can get almost acoustic clean, springy clean, lightly spanked fender and pushed marshall. Indeed, with the gain all the way up and the bass rolled down a little it sounds quite like the new Marshall "Vintage Modern" amps. The fully tweakable dirty channel also allows pretty much anything you could imagine. I've just done a good Hendrix, you get a pretty convincing Zep, a good 80s type tone, a fantastic Slash tone, GREAT thrash tones and of course a spectacularly good modern scooped sound. The virtually infinite bass also makes it great for Grunge type sludgy riffing (Them Bones by AIC sounds awesome through it).
HOWEVER mine is one of the original UK made ones, and I haven't tried the Chines built ones, but you could probably get a good deal on one second hand (even better).
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ahhh cheers ben, is this the Fallen Angel your talking about???
sounds very interestnig indeed!
and dave, cheers, started checking them out now.
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Yeah, I've got the FA60 2X12
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hmmmm interesting, hadnt considered that at all!!!
gonna have to look into them, cheers for the suggestion/info ben.
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went to local music store today and they had HBE pedals. They said found another distributor.
Had a Screamer (though bought mine from em at 1/2 the price?!?!) a UFO and another I cannot find on HBE site,agggh.
Also, gawd knows how they get this stuff, a used (looking like bloody new) Bad Cat Hot Cat head 8) and a Koch Powertone II 1/2 stack :twisted:
Nick, idea! :idea: You could road test the Powertone II half stack with one of your nasty guitars plugged in. I'll tow in some traffic wardens, wild west style from the back of a lorry! :twisted: If they still have any meat on them and there's signs of life we can strap their heads (assuming it's still got a body attached to it) to the cab and like old Brian Cant used to say, 'Play Away'!
Yes that's Cant for you young whipper snappers and we've all heard the jokes! :lol:
I hate traffic wardens. I think a moments inatention when one is crossing the road is in order. :evil:
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If they still have any meat on them and there's signs of life we can strap their heads (assuming it's still got a body attached to it) to the cab and like old Brian Cant used to say, 'Play Away'!
Yes that's Cant for you young whipper snappers and we've all heard the jokes! :lol:
I hate traffic wardens. I think a moments inatention when one is crossing the road is in order. :evil:
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/h2g2/blobs/derekgriffiths.jpg)
"Heads and tails... Heads and tails, heads and tails - Heads and tails here we go!"
Derek Griffiths
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^ Nice one Dave! Ahh Derek, now he used to make me laugh out loud as a kid! Remember Spike on the double bass? :lol: He looked like The Berserker from WWF! :lol:
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'Flob alob, flob a lob a lob', 'weed', ahhhhhhhhhhhhh, dude that hit the spot,zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :)
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Guys we really need to meet up for that drink!
Kindred spirits :P
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Yes good idea Dave! I'm drinking Whiskey and I'm smoking a slightly sprinkled!
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lol! wot the hell is going on!!!!
and dont forget me in that meeting up for a drink... :lol:
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^ you are WAY too young to want to know what's going on ;)
As they say about the sixties, if ya remember it ya were'nt there :P
By the way 'Muffin the Mule is NOT a criminal offence ' :)
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lol WOT THE HELL!?!?!
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"Why Don't You Just Switch Off Your Television Set And Go Out And Do Something Less Boring Instead?"
Wise words... Sorry Sambo but this is only gonna be understood by a select group of 30 something adolescents :wink: :lol: (hint: BBC kids telly)
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i vaguely remember something along those lines, but I'm only 25... what was the show again? i guess I was about 6 or something...
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Sarah Green was my Favorite wank when she first went on Blue Peter! :lol: Look how she turned out. Miserable cos' Mike can't keep his chopper up! :lol:
The bird off Magpie was hot stuff. But Sally James from Tiswas was just hotpants supreme! Do you remember the ITV Sat morning program she started out on? I can see her now flirting with flair wearing, sideburn donning platformed booted hairy dudes who sleazed her up something cronic! What was that program called? :lol:
Someone heal telly. It's f*cked!
Den neeeer Edit and moment of clarity...'Saturday Scene'! That was what it's called! :roll: :wink:
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Sarah Green was my Favorite wank when she first went on Blue Peter! :lol: Look how she turned out. Miserable cos' Mike can't keep his chopper up! :lol:
F**kin' hell, me too! She's turned into a bloody munter later but she had a moment when she was responsible for litters of adolescent sperm flying through Britain's airspace.
I remember Patsy Kensit playing a princess in a some sort of Jackanory affair and making me feel all weird and hot... didn't have the internet back then!!!
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Good. God. No.
Ah, well, I clearly was way too young for all of that, and had way too much taste anyway.
Sarah Greene?
What.
Were.
You.
Thinking?
:lol:
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COuld have been ALOT worse,
Could have said ..................... BUNGLE ROFLMAO
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Sarah Green was my Favorite wank when she first went on Blue Peter! :lol: Look how she turned out. Miserable cos' Mike can't keep his chopper up! :lol:
F**kin' hell, me too! She's turned into a bloody munter later but she had a moment when she was responsible for litters of adolescent sperm flying through Britain's airspace.
I remember Patsy Kensit playing a princess in a some sort of Jackanory affair and making me feel all weird and hot... didn't have the internet back then!!!
A face like a bulldog licking piss off a nettle. I delivered to her house quite a bit as a DR and she used to snatch, sign and slam. Her nemesis Caron Keaton who superseded her on all fronts used to smile say thank you how ya doin and much more when i rode away with with an over active imagination! :lol:
Patsy was filth and we all loved it! I wouldn't want to pay her bills now though. I saw her too in the London Clinic. I noticed she liked a glimps of a lunchbox under a pair of well used leather strides.
Her family are all villans!
Paula Hamilton in the Golf ad! Phroarw!
Mrs Mangle in Neighbours, now your talking! :lol: :lol:
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Zippy - The Bondage God!
(http://www.btinternet.com/~acbarrett/nzip.jpg)
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COuld have been ALOT worse,
Could have said ..................... BUNGLE ROFLMAO
at least it wasn't george...
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lol jesus christ, this is getting scarier by the minute. :lol: :lol: :? :lol:
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lol jesus christ, this is getting scarier by the minute. :lol: :lol: :? :lol:
Still wanna come for that drink? :lol: :lol:
(have you got a furry bear suit?)
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!!!!!!!!! :lol:
ummm... ummm....
im just gonna.... go... now....
bubye.
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Sam can be a MUNGO sandwhich between Mary and Midge :)
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:o .........
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or better still..........
ROGER the Cabin Boy
ROFLMAO
(http://im.edirectory.co.uk/products/1547/i/3796.jpg)
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sorry to interrupt, but good lord Dave, where did you get that avatar?!? :o :oops: :twisted:
oh yeah, you certainly wouldn't want a blow job off zippy :!:
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sorry to interrupt, but good lord Dave, where did you get that avatar?!? :o :oops: :twisted:
lol! +1 for sure.
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sorry to interrupt, but good lord Dave, where did you get that avatar?!? :o :oops: :twisted:
lol! +1 for sure.
Quality isn't it! Thanks but I can't quite remember where that came from.. :lol: :lol:
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Nice one Dave! Perhaps I should change mine. It's old now. But I did take that picture!
Is your one a photo through a photoshop filter? :lol:
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The Renualt ad' has a lovely woman in it, innit!
The list goes on and on!
I've been smiling and chatting to the girls in the hospitals I've been delivering to. Very up lifting it is too. The work it self sucks. 13 hours around south london in a big lorry is filth! No break so I've driven 4 hours over my legal limit. :? PDT_026 A skip seems like a luxury now!