Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: Confused on November 02, 2006, 04:16:28 AM
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Hello Everyone
I hear Miracle Man is a Passive alternative to a EMG 81.
I am thinking of replacing my EMG 81 and EMG 60 with a Miracle Man Set.
While a find the EMGs lifeless I love the ay they are EQ ed.
Does The Miracle Man have the same EQ as the EMG 81.
How hot is the Miracle Man Neck Pickup is it hotter than a EMG 60.
Those of you who used to use The EMG 81
but switched to The Miracle Man Set.
* Do You Miss Them a little.
* Do you have any regrets.
Thankyou :D :D :D
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I used to use EMGs and only EMGs
Theres more than the MMs for EMG replacement!
BKs I've got since then in bridge positions are:
Miracle man
23k ultra-miracle man
Warpig
Ceramic warpig
And a cold sweat in the neck with the cWP. And some single you wont be interested in.
EQ wise none are the same as an 81.
81s have a ton of high end and high mids, a super-smooth mid and very deep but quite queit bass. They also of course have that in-your-face attack and compression, and only EMGs have quite that sound.
The miracle man has more bass, yet smoother mids and a clear high end thats higher than the 81. Its a fair bit lower gain. It sounds much bigger though, richer and louder. Its has far more prescence in a mix.
The WP sounds like a similar-gain, less in-your-face attack, MUCH bigger, less compressed (but more than a miracle man) sounding 81 if the pig is in basswood and maple and the 81 is in all-mahogany. That should give you some idea of the eqing.
The ceramic warpig is where its at for EMG replacement: equally in your face, equally clear but massively heavier, MORE gain and rips and crushes with equal comfort.
As for the 60, I really like that pickup too; its my favourite humbucker to date. Its got this really-good-clean, really-good-shred thing going on. The cold sweat is the only bk I have for comparison inthe neck and the shred is MUCH better and the cleans are very good; rich and full, but bell-like. But theres something about a 60s clean that does it for me. I dont know what the equivelant would be.
I do occasionally miss the EMG sound (I sold the guitar I had them in: yamaha SG, sounded as good as EMGs are going to sound). But NEVER while I'm playing my BKP'd guitars :wink:
No regrets :D
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Thanks Mark
I use EMGs because of the following.
I don't like having a too much bass in my sound.
To Me Bass = Mud.
Thats one of the reasons I am so fond of the 81 I don't have to fight with the bass.
I like my Mid Range and Highs to be honest I wish my EMG 81 had more Highs or is it Presence.
If the Emg 81 is 100% Emg 81
What is the Miracle Man
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Mate, the mud problem is half the reason I use BKs!
Most bassy pickups are muddy. Its true. And its really annoying!
Yes I agree, bass = mud.
But NOT with BKPs. The bass is always fast and punchy and NEVER at the cost of the high end: they are ultra clear. I mean EMG clarity. I wouldnt have switched otherwise: I used EMGs because they gave me a lot of gain without mud, too.
Check the players forum for soundclips. There are some ozzy ones in les pauls, I believe.
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I used to have an ESP Kirk Hammet KH-2 with EMGs. I've also got an Epi Les Paul with a MM set. The MM's just feel better - more harmonics and tone and a boat load more presence than the EMGs. I liked the ESP (it was really nice to play) but couldn't justify keeping a Ģ1900 guitar that didn't sound any better than a Ģ3/400 guitar!!
You won't be disappointed with any of the BKP range if you make the switch. And if you don't like a muddy bass, the MMs have a really tightest bass without sounding weak or thin.
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Well I have a dual allen head MM and I love it.
However it does not have the same EQ as the 81(I have one)
I find that the 81 has quite a bit more mid, and a bit more gainy and more compressed.
However the MM as LOADS of bass.... BUT its sooo tight, alot tighter than the 81 and better string definition as well. I don't think it has quite the harmonics (I have yet to decide.. they are very close anyway), but they do sound better the harmonics that you can pull.
listen to Thor's clips in the players section, I think they could be the best yet.
hope this helps
MMM
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MMs have balls, EMG 81s lack balls and have an excess of high mids.
What's the guitar by the way? That matters now :P
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ESP Viper 301 Mahogany Neck and Body and Rosewood Fretboard.
I went ahead and had a dual Battery Cavity routed out for me
The sad thing is I knew about the Miracle Man before I installed my EMGs.
Back then there were only one or two recorded sound clips, and they sucked big time.
What has been holding me back for the last Month or two is this attitude.
"if I get a Miracle Man Set installed in my Guitar what am I going to use my Battery Cavity for ?
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christmas lights?
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Stash box?
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Comdoms
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Excellent review of the emgs.
I used to use EMGs and only EMGs
Theres more than the MMs for EMG replacement!
BKs I've got since then in bridge positions are:
Miracle man
23k ultra-miracle man
Warpig
Ceramic warpig
And a cold sweat in the neck with the cWP. And some single you wont be interested in.
EQ wise none are the same as an 81.
81s have a ton of high end and high mids, a super-smooth mid and very deep but quite queit bass. They also of course have that in-your-face attack and compression, and only EMGs have quite that sound.
The miracle man has more bass, yet smoother mids and a clear high end thats higher than the 81. Its a fair bit lower gain. It sounds much bigger though, richer and louder. Its has far more prescence in a mix.
The WP sounds like a similar-gain, less in-your-face attack, MUCH bigger, less compressed (but more than a miracle man) sounding 81 if the pig is in basswood and maple and the 81 is in all-mahogany. That should give you some idea of the eqing.
The ceramic warpig is where its at for EMG replacement: equally in your face, equally clear but massively heavier, MORE gain and rips and crushes with equal comfort.
As for the 60, I really like that pickup too; its my favourite humbucker to date. Its got this really-good-clean, really-good-shred thing going on. The cold sweat is the only bk I have for comparison inthe neck and the shred is MUCH better and the cleans are very good; rich and full, but bell-like. But theres something about a 60s clean that does it for me. I dont know what the equivelant would be.
I do occasionally miss the EMG sound (I sold the guitar I had them in: yamaha SG, sounded as good as EMGs are going to sound). But NEVER while I'm playing my BKP'd guitars :wink:
No regrets :D
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I do occasionally miss the EMG sound (I sold the guitar I had them in: yamaha SG, sounded as good as EMGs are going to sound). But NEVER while I'm playing my BKP'd guitars :wink:
No regrets :D
Mark, did you get rid of the Yamaha because you got sick of the EMGs, or were you selling it anyway? I once put EMGs in a Hamer Vector, got really pissed off with them and - inexplicably - decided to sell the guitar. I have no idea why I didn't just swap the pickups!
Wish I still had that guitar... :cry:
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Q:( SAD BUT TRUE
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can anyone compare an emg 81 to the nailbomb? just curious, thanks.
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"if I get a Miracle Man Set installed in my Guitar what am I going to use my Battery Cavity for ?
Stashing drugs of course!!!! No cop would ever guess!!!!!
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Wow, that is actually a really good idea.
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Cheers, WFD.
Philly, I was kinda selling it anyway I really liked the sound, but all told it was my least favourite guitar, and I wanted some cash toward my legra and a mate that I'm kinda mentoring at guitar needed a guitar, and it was a good way to make sure he got a good axe to see him through.
I just read my post back in WFDs reply and noticed I said the 60 is my favourite humbucker. I meant neck humbucker. The ceramic pig is my favourite humbucker, followed closely by by Monster Miracle Man.
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MDV, do you still have the EMG 60? i would liek to hear the neck 60 doing some unholy leads.
do you have any clips?
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Sorry mate, its in the guitar I sold.
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Holy $%&#gin shite :(
you didntīrecord any clisp before sold it!?
Q:(
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Not one. Sorry pal.
Its not gone far though: like I said, I sold it to a good mate and guitar padawan, I'll see what I can do!
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Thankīs Man!!!!
:lol:
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Holy $%&#gin shitee :(
you didntīrecord any clisp before sold it!?
Q:(
I have a EMG 60 in my neck position. I just need a good microphone. I can use my GT6 but that will strip the pickup of its dynamics. It's rather dynamic for a EMG. It doesn't make your high register solos sound like toy laser guns (like in Dragonforce), which I like. Rough though, gotta control the treble with it.
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Holy $%&#gin shitee :(
you didntīrecord any clisp before sold it!?
Q:(
I have a EMG 60 in my neck position. I just need a good microphone. I can use my GT6 but that will strip the pickup of its dynamics. It's rather dynamic for a EMG. It doesn't make your high register solos sound like toy laser guns (like in Dragonforce), which I like. Rough though, gotta control the treble with it.
Huuuuuum, interesting man. iīll be waiting for your clip
donīt forget to use a good ammount of distortion on it ok?
Q:)
do you know the differences between the 60a and the 60!?
any good? the same stuff as the 81/85!?
i MEAN th etonal differences. i know that one is alnico and other ceramic.
Thankīs
JP
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Mine is ceramic but I would say that the difference between ceramics and alnico in EMGs is similar to BKPs. Ceramics sound hotter, more focused, and tighter than alnicos under lots of gain. I've noticed the top end also gets sharper but not harsher. Alnicos sound rounder, warmer, and a little more vintage like. They probably are less compressed so they may be "bigger," but the power of ceramics makes the difference in "size" very small.
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Humrum, i understand
any comments on the capacity of the highs to Sing more in a ALNICO than in the ceramic!?
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Well, I've just taken out an EMG 81/85 set out of my Feranades Steeler (Randy Rhoads copy) and replaced them with a MM in the brdge and a cold sweat in the neck and it ripps. There is more bass than a EMG 81 but the tone is so much more fuller and all the tone is retained (no mud). I now compare EMG's to like listening to your guitar through a glass bottle and BKP's are like removing the bottle.
I also have a MM in my Charvel 675 and it's killer.
I have an EMG 81 in my USA Warlock, but I've ordered a Nailbomb (bolt on neck you see)for that& if that don't work it's a ceramic War Pig.
The only thing I miss about the EMG is the racey sound you get, but what you get in tone from the BKP more than makes up for that.
Hope this helps.
:shock:
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You could always fit an afterburner and an active tone shaper to make use of your battery cavities. You'd get the best of both worlds then.
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I have an EMG 81 in my USA Warlock, but I've ordered a Nailbomb (bolt on neck you see)for that& if that don't work it's a ceramic War Pig.
:shock:
I dont know so i'm asking, what does that have to do with anything?, the bolt on neck that is, to do with the nailbomb.
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People seem to dismiss the EMG's as sterile and lifeless.
There are making the mistake of thinking they should sound like a passive pickup.
EMG have not got the organic earthy sound of a good pasive pickup, they have got a very pure and compressed sound.
You use whatever pickup you want for what sound you want.
Its like the differnce between a Les Paul and a Strat sound, they are different for different sound.
I might use a Les Paul with BPK's, for something, a Strat BKP's for something and then a Strat with EMG's for something else, they are made differently and are not supposed to sound like passive pickups.
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People seem to dismiss the EMG's as sterile and lifeless.
There are making the mistake of thinking they should sound like a passive pickup.
EMG have not got the organic earthy sound of a good pasive pickup, they have got a very pure and compressed sound.
You use whatever pickup you want for what sound you want.
Its like the differnce between a Les Paul and a Strat sound, they are different for different sound.
I might use a Les Paul with BPK's, for something, a Strat BKP's for something and then a Strat with EMG's for something else, they are made differently and are not supposed to sound like passive pickups.
Its a common opinion. Personally I love EMGs. I stuck with them for a long time for their precision and clarity. I still enjoy the smooth, compressed (not an inherently bad thing) and ultra-attacking sound.
But BKPs are better, IMO. Hence me switching, and the only EMGs I now own are two SAs gathering dust on a shelf (never liked them anyway: they sound about as much like a single coil as a kick drum).
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pure and compressed?
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pure and compressed?
Purely compressed? :)
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I think he meens it doesn't color the sound and is compressed. I like EMG in a very good guitar, because it lets the wood talks. But a good hand made passive is even better so I don't really see the point :lol: