Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: RorySRV on November 08, 2006, 05:28:51 PM
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I just noticed that GAK are selling BKs: http://www.guitarampkeyboard.com/products.php?s=&k=bareknuckle&m=Brands&c=Products&r=Price+Range
But I was just wondering why they are only selling high gain buckers and not any low gain or singles...
I was thinking its maybe a popularity thing, but the amount of people with Mules, Crawlers, Black Dogs, Irish Tours etc must outnumber those who have Nailbombs, Warpigs etc...
I am confused...
Could someone maybe clarify the situation. Tim?
Thanks alot,
RorySRV,
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yea your probably right. it most likely is a popularity thing. were you gonna by bare knuckles from gak? cause if you were the bare knuckle shop has way better prices. hope i was remotly helpfull lol
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Why would the lower output pickups sell more than the high output pickups with fancy covers? Most guitarists nowadays are metalheads, posers, or more commonly both.
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personally i think that low output pickups are better because they show the guitar's character a lot more
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I wanna know, why when so many folks (illustrated by this board) are so into Rock/Metal that this country is running a VERY poor second to USA for Rock/Metal bands? (I am NOT familiar with 'Johnny Kills Dolphins' or whatever local band is in your town, I mean BIG bands, like we used to have and lets face it INVENTED! Where's the Black Sabbath's, Maiden's, Waysted's,Priest's??????????????????).
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On Topic :
Which bare knuckle pickups tend to get reviewed in magazines ?
Which ones will GAK therefore sell most of ?
As long as Tim & Co sell lots of metal monsters they will be selling lots of the less extreme models too. Thats got to be good :)
Off Topic:
Look at it this way BBC Radio 2 plays more challenging music than Radio 1 that may be a hint :(
The UK has become a nation of sheep following whatever bland trends that the record companys decide should be played on our TV & Radio stations.
Apart from Jools Holland what music programs are there on TV (I do not count MTV, VH1 and their ilk to be anything other than product placement vehicles so please don't mention them)
come to think about it when did R&B lose both the Rhythm and the Blues and become the cr@p we suffer now ?
Rob...
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I think as a country we just want to think and pretend we like rock/metal, rather than actually liking them. Hence mcfly using mesas and that busted tw@t yelling (the word screaming sounds too musical) in his new band and putting fire in their video and an agressive name about fighting... There's all this shitee that gets passed off as rock and metal, almost specifically so that an army (granted, not the strongest force in the world) of 12 year olds can buy EMGs and ESPs and ENGLs and whatever else on the market has big numbers and capital letters and not have to feel guilty about listening to pop music because if the bands even think they're metal, they must be. Or maybe it's just that we, as a country, have no talent.
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ahem...Led Zep were called metal in their day...ahem
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i don't think he was dissing metal as a genre, just the cr@p that's coming out of this country and being referred to as 'metal' by tools
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I mean BIG bands, like we used to have and lets face it INVENTED! Where's the Black Sabbath's, Maiden's, Waysted's,Priest's??????????????????).
I think you're reflecting your current listening there Nick! Waysted were a great band, but they were never even medium-sized, never mind BIG! :wink:
But I know what you mean, there does seem to be a lack of new British metal bands (lots of not-quite-rock bands of the Coldplay, Hard Fi, Arctic Monkeys, Kaiser Chiefs etc ilk though).
Having said that, I've found most of the new American metal bands pretty underwhelming the last few years. I don't know if they're really mediocre or if it's just me getting old. To be honest, metal has never been the same for me since somebody (I know not who) came up with the idea of "singing" like the Cookie Monster. :roll:
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Wait, sorry, where to Zep come into it? You lost me. And no, definitely not dissing metal.
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I'm not sure what metal is really as apparently the term was coined about the Byrds (by Lester Bangs I think).
Having varied tastes (too varied) I keep on waiting for the resurgence of bands that have both energy and attitude. Unfortunitely one cannot accuse the coldplays or Snow Patrols of having either :(
Although not metal I find that Kasabian and Muse to be the closest that are around ATM Sort of glam or prog with attitude. I hate the fact that over the last 15 years I am having to go back in time to find anything to listen to.
Anyway I thought this was about pickups, perhaps we should start another thread in another section as this could run & run.
Rob...
PS I also enjoy the Kaiser Chiefs bith their misuc and the attitude
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Waysted was on my mind, but the rest STILL stands (and Waysted came from UFO so that is more relavant :)).
Living in the US for so long (yeah I KNOW it's vast) we had 3 Rock/Metal radio stations in my area alone!
Metal/Rock bands came reg. to play gigs, albums were out every week.
I know music changes but I just do NOT see any UK acts (I count as metal, and this means SINGING and NOT!!!!!!!!!!! here me, NOT screaming into a mic) around.
I am proud, but very sad right now :(
We need to have MORE Rock/Metal bands to make the pup/axe etc. sales make more sense.
I guess I am getting old and grumpy :(
To ALL you guys still in school (I hated it when I was told this BTW), enjoy it, being an adult and growing up with responsibilities and all these changes SUCKS!
And yeah, I guess alot is cos I lived in US for so long so am having hard time adjusting.
You know, I hardly EVER played a CD in my car in US, I constantly listened to the radio. Here, it would drive me to suicide.
Oh well.
I hear a desert island calling my name, where I can be happy, play as loud as I want and not be surrounded by mindless pop cr@p :twisted:
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I'm not sure what metal is really as apparently the term was coined about the Byrds (by Lester Bangs I think).
Having varied tastes (too varied) I keep on waiting for the resurgence of bands that have both energy and attitude. Unfortunitely one cannot accuse the coldplays or Snow Patrols of having either :(
Although not metal I find that Kasabian and Muse to be the closest that are around ATM Sort of glam or prog with attitude. I hate the fact that over the last 15 years I am having to go back in time to find anything to listen to.
Anyway I thought this was about pickups, perhaps we should start another thread in another section as this could run & run.
Rob...
PS I also enjoy the Kaiser Chiefs bith their misuc and the attitude
I thought (in my alcohol addled state) the phrase Heavy Metal was first coined by a journalist trying to write about Sabbath? hmmm
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Or maybe it's just that we, as a country, have no talent.
i know nobody was dissing metal, just that i read this and responded....
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I thought (in my alcohol addled state) the phrase Heavy Metal was first coined by a journalist trying to write about Sabbath? hmmm
Ex-Blue Oyster Cult manager Sandy Pearlman has always claimed to have invented the term Heavy Metal (in a musical context).
Some of the credit has to go to Steppenwolf for including the "Heavy Metal Thunder" line in Born To Be Wild. I think that must have inspired whoever actually came up with the term, even if they didn't realise it.
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Yeah, one of them things. Just thought was Sabbath, but would NOT bet on it (this time ;)).
Bit silly researching this one too as am sure many will lay claim to it.
Anywhoo, I still say, This Country SUCKS for Rock/Metal nowadays! :P
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come to think about it when did R&B lose both the Rhythm and the Blues and become the cr@p we suffer now ?
:lol: very true!!
There are plenty of good UK bands (sikth, oceansize, immune etc...), they just aren't playing arenas at the moment - which sucks as they have more talent than the likes of son of dork, mcfly (who I'm seeing in Leeds tomorrow night!) etc...
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Yeah, one of them things. Just thought was Sabbath, but would NOT bet on it (this time ;)).
Bit silly researching this one too as am sure many will lay claim to it.
Anywhoo, I still say, This Country SUCKS for Rock/Metal nowadays! :P
It seems I have started something lol.
I only posted this yesterday. Anyway....
Yes.
Bring back the days of Zep and Sabbath when real music was still being played!!
Music in this country needs to be re invented and the indy bands need to be wiped out.
RorySRV,
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indy bands need to be wiped out.
wooooaahh slow down mate, the libertines rule
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Many of you seems to shite on bands using screamed vocals :roll: there's many bands such as Opeth, Meshuggah, Dilinger Escape Plan, etc... wich are actualy genre defining and they use those kind of screams. Don't ditch a whole lot of bands without scratching the cr@p surface a bit...
There's good thing in everything but don't expect to hear those on radio/tv...
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^Children of Bodom, Killswitch Engage, In Flames...
i HATEEE screamo and screaming usually but im with Hell Hound on this one. personally i think bands such as the ones i mentioned are awesome and the screaming is fine in them. its when you get bands using the screaming here there and everywhere and to very little effect, and basically just for the sake of it- thats when it sucks.
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indy bands need to be wiped out.
wooooaahh slow down mate, the libertines rule
! Shudder !
The Libertines, Dirty Pretty Things (lets include Lil Bag Head boy and his girlfriend too)
Normally I wouldn't ever dream of comparing (or critisising) bands or music, (apart from Urban & DJ stuff). If somebody likes them thats fine but Iv'e already heard it done before, only better (but then I'm old & bitter)
So may of these 'critically acclaimed' bands (or media darlings should I say) are only shine because of the lacklustre competition. Take the example of Oasis, they had a few good songs (scattered across the first 2 or 3 albums). In previous times they would have been 2nd division players but never premiership & definately not world class
'The Edge' in U2 was hailed as being revolutionary when they 1st turned up, yet Robert Quine (search for him) was doing the same thing several years before, so was Robert Fripp. Ollie Halsall was two hand tapping in the late 60s (look him up too he truely was amazing, one of the original shredders)
Yes do appreciate what modern bands are doing but also go and search for some Syd Barrett, Nick Drake, MC5, Stooges, Patti Smith, Television, Woodie Guthrie, Billy Bragg and a 1000 other bands & artists.
Please dont' take this as a critisism of your taste in music it's just that personally I can't get excited about what I have heard several times before. As I said before thats because I'm old and bitter
BTW The last band that sounded 'new' to me was the Future Sound of London and that was a long time ago :( even worse there where no guitars :(
Rob...
Feck it bring back Space Rock (hurry up with your CD Carlaz !)
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Take the example of Oasis, they had a few good songs (scattered across the first 2 or 3 albums). In previous times they would have been 2nd division players but never premiership & definately not world class
Yes do appreciate what modern bands are doing but also go and search for some Syd Barrett, Nick Drake, MC5, Stooges, Patti Smith, Television, Woodie Guthrie, Billy Bragg and a 1000 other bands & artists.
Come on, Patti Smith never did anything to match horses
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I wanna know, why when so many folks (illustrated by this board) are so into Rock/Metal that this country is running a VERY poor second to USA for Rock/Metal bands? (I am NOT familiar with 'Johnny Kills Dolphins' or whatever local band is in your town, I mean BIG bands, like we used to have and lets face it INVENTED! Where's the Black Sabbath's, Maiden's, Waysted's,Priest's??????????????????).
I always think the same thing when I have the radio on (no cd player in car yet :x ), none of the "new" music (The Kooks, Guillemots, Klaxons, Bloc Party etc I think are a few to mention) has anything special about it, it all sounds the same, theres no balls in the music.
I really need to find some good musicians who like proper music to create some good old british hard rock and metal :twisted: Although I doubt itd get big as theres probably no "market" in todays music business as it wouldnt be trendy enough to sell..
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Many of you seems to shitee on bands using screamed vocals :roll: there's many bands such as Opeth, Meshuggah, Dilinger Escape Plan, etc... wich are actualy genre defining and they use those kind of screams. Don't ditch a whole lot of bands without scratching the cr@p surface a bit...
There's good thing in everything but don't expect to hear those on radio/tv...
I wouldn't for a minute say any of those bands are cr@p - they're not - but I honestly have trouble with the vocals. I've got a lot of Opeth stuff and a few other things like The Haunted and Arch Enemy, and I like the music a lot - but I'd like it more without the "gargling battery acid" vocals.
Not saying people shouldn't sing like that, but it's hard for an old duffer like me to understand why they do. I really don't like listening to it. And if I buy a CD which I find 40-50% unlistenable, I end up not playing it very much...
If those guys did instrumental albums I'd probably buy 'em.
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^check out Opeth's Damnation 0% growling, 100% pure awesomness
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^check out Opeth's Damnation 0% growling, 100% pure awesomness
Agreed! It's a great album. :D
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Come on, Patti Smith never did anything to match horses
At least she did Horses (that just sounds disgusting)
Tom,
I agree with you where is the swagger, the attitude. I remember when the 1st Kasabian album came out, when the bass line came thudding in you knew knew something was going to happen (wether you liked the album or not is a totally different matter).
The Magic Numbers (music to wallpaper to) are a prime example of what I dislike they are so bland, they even make Supertramp sound dynamic.
If I want something tasteful & softer but with passion Al Stewarts, Roads to Moscow still sends chills through me 25 years after first hearing it (more so than any Floyd track has ever done)
Rob...
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The Magic Numbers (music to wallpaper to) are a prime example of what I dislike they are so bland, they even make Supertramp sound dynamic.
Strangely enough, their new album is called Breakfast, Elevenses, Lunch, Tea, Four Course Dinner, Coffee and Liqueurs in America.
Not that I'm calling them f*t. Wouldn't want to get into trouble like that Richard Bacon.
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i think the libertines and babyshambles are utter rubbish whether you've heard it done before or not. how such utterly mediocre, apparently talent free drivel becomes so revered i'll never know. they're even worse than oasis, and that's saying something. "which old song are we copying this week our kid?" "feck off and die you obnoxious turd" :evil:
from my bile you might get that i really despise these bands. you'd be right, they're even more insidious than cr@p like westlife, because these bands actually seem to believe that they are great artists, the Beatles or Stones of our day. listen lads, recycling old bands' songs doesn't make you as good as them. okay?
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^agreed...
but i think the stones, in general, share the same undeserved criticism... a couple of their songs are good... the rest sound the same and boring to me...
i dont get why everyone hails them as amazing... when theyre really just.... not.
thats my personal view anyway.
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Not that I'm calling them f*t. Wouldn't want to get into trouble like that Richard Bacon.
What happened, did thay eat him ?
Shudders at the thought of a bacon (& magic numbers) sandwich
Sam,
The stones had a few good years, and a lot more mediocre ones, the same as Zep, Sabbath and all. To me Hendrix wasn't around long enough to suffer from that problem, but even then I liked the direction he was starting to head in :(
Also for the want of herasy, was it me or was the White Album the last good Beatles album (whith Revolver being the best one).
Rob...
Hey Sam did ya ever watch those DVDs ?
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indeed, and the beatles are another band similar for me rob... i dont see how they were so MASSIVELY AMAZING... they wrote some good songs that i quite like...
but theyre just not my personal taste...
and rob, i've been going through the computer lesson stuff... haven't got the DVD's working yet...
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Tom,
I agree with you where is the swagger, the attitude. I remember when the 1st Kasabian album came out, when the bass line came thudding in you knew knew something was going to happen (wether you liked the album or not is a totally different matter).
Dont worry, I quite like Kasabian. They sound different to most other bands I've heard (especially on the first album).
Agree with Sam about The Beatles, I just dont get it, although I know people will say they created rock music or whatever, I just dislike their songs (and paul mccartneys violin bass looks so gay ;))
And before anyone says it, I did say I wasnt gonna post for a bit, but recently since I stopped posting here I played a lot of guitar instead and got a bit sick of it for the time being, keep playing the same stuff :lol: I decided I'm only gonna post where I'm actually being helpful or contributing to the conversation instead of just stuff like "I agree with suchandsuch" or "nice guitar, congrats" etc..
edited bit - we're REALLY good at steering threads completely off-topic :lol:
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Song;
1. a short metrical composition intended or adapted for singing, esp. one in rhymed stanzas; a lyric; a ballad.
2. a musical piece adapted for singing or simulating a piece to be sung: Mendelssohn's “Songs without Words.”
3. poetical composition; poetry.
4. the art or act of singing; vocal music.
5. something that is sung.
Could'nt find, AAAGGGHHHH, or GGGRRRRR, in the Dictionary :roll:
Iffin grrrrr, agghhhhh, is a NEW phenomenum, then fair play, but it AINT singing (not IMO).
My, initial, point was/is. If there are so many sales of Rock/Metal type guitars/pickups etc., and so many fans of this genre, then where the feck is the music?
Which is more on topic of the thread to start.
Lemmy is about as growly as I wanna get. I know there are some amazing musicians in the GROWL metal bands, but GROWLING is NOT a talent! Feck if it was I would be a bloody star!
I have been overseas for quite a while, but I did not hear of really ANY of the 'new' bands mentioned here whilst away. This in itself is sad to me. Again, where is the Sabbath, Priest, Maiden of this new Millenium? Especially with all the 'metal' pickup sales (ala thread post).
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there's a very obvious reason why there are so many sales of all things metal, and not many good metal bands in the uk...
and thats because more and more people are becoming more and more like bedroom guitarists... buying all their idols' gear and sitting there practising all day becoming amazing... but not actually DOING anything with that skill apart from maybe the odd video on youtube...
and this applies particularly to metal... because thats where the most shreddy shiz goes on... which is what these people wanna be able to do.
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and you KNOW this why??????????? :roll:
It really dos'nt matter.
My era is looooooooooooooooooooooooooong gone and sadly probably NEVER to return.
Thankgoodness for Amazon.co.uk, iTunes etc. where you can check clips before spending the queens head on some of the absolute cr@p proporting to be rock/metal these days.
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lol ok maybe i dont KNOW it... the way i phrased it wasn't great...
but i SUSPECT this... (as at least one of the main factors... maybe not the whole cause) because i know a lot of people like this...
for example.. our drummers brother... great shredder... practises guitar about 5 hours a day... yet hes not producing any good material songs-wise at all....
anyway...
who knows what will happen in the future.
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Maybe instead of ASBO's or whatever this now SOFT country calls em, they should give the 'poor offenders' a B.C.Rich Warlock then, maybe that would (by your argument) confine the feckers to indoors naturally.
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:lol: or a cheap Ibanez Jem copy...
and anyway id rather live in a soft country than a place where people's 'security systems' require ammunition...
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:lol: or a cheap Ibanez Jem copy...
and anyway id rather live in a soft country than a place where people's 'security systems' require ammunition...
Wait till your robbed, beaten up or both :(
I am also confused as apparently guitar sales are at an all time high but wheres the music (never mind the metal genre) ?
Theres also so little live music compared with when I was younger, 90% of the time it's some git who shouldn't even be allowed to bust, with his laptop playing midi files in the background.
Still tehres a busker in Canary Whard underground station on Friday mornings that knocks out a few hendrix tracks, and he seems to earn quite a few quid (gives a good start to the day too).
Rob...
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Gotta agree with dakine, theres not much in the current british metal scene :(
Guys like sikth are on the cutting edge, thats for sure, but theres not enough.
And SO much indie! I agree wtih every sentiment here about its unoriginality and musical ineptitude.
Continental Europe, Canada and the US is where its at. And where I'm not at :(
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Gotta agree with dakine, theres not much in the current british metal scene :(
Continental Europe, Canada and the US is where its at. And where I'm not at :(
It's not metal I'm worrird about (though I would welcome a lot more), I just want some feckin variation, from boy/girl bands, inde that isn't even inde and that so called urban cr@p
In the 70s disco may have been bad but atleast it gave us some decent bass lines
Seemingly Japan too
It seems like it's illegal to have a guitar in UK TV unless it's a PRS or a Tele.
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I have to say there is two modern music acts I like.
Which are Guthrie Govan and Muse :wink:
RorySRV,
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:lol: or a cheap Ibanez Jem copy...
and anyway id rather live in a soft country than a place where people's 'security systems' require ammunition...
You are welcome to your country where the youth are better armed than Law Enforcement. Where Law Enforcement is so stifled by liberals they have little to no power. Where polls say the adult population in general is in fear of the youth. Where punishment is either non-exsistant to farcical.
I shite you not ladies and gentlemen! It's fecked!
Rock/Metal comes from ANGST! What have the youth today got to have angst about? Benefits, crime with no punishment etc. Thats WHY it's gone all soft.
And I promise, the first asshole STUPID enough to confront me on the street 'armed with his knife' I will cleanly break his friggin neck! I swear! What have I got to lose, hell even if caught murderer's are out in what 10 years or thereabouts now? And by pleading self defense, I'll likely get manslaughter which is a slap on the wrist (proverbially of course as actual physical contact is now outlawed apparently, as is shouting, gawd forbid a 'poor unfortunate' should have his feelings hurt) to what a suspended sentence?
Whatever, it's too bloody soft, so no-one is writing about anger/angst, ergo NO Metal !
Thats my opinion anywhoo :twisted:
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:lol:
well i agree with you... but i do think its a combination of factors like this that have caused it and not one specific thing alone...
cause i doubt every single good rock/metal band in the history of the UK formed through angst... maybe in an ideal world where music is pure and true and its main purpose is a form of expression for peoples feelings and all that idealogical cr@p... but in reality i HIGHLY doubt its like that... some do of course, form through feelings like that... like the Sex Pistols i guess are a good example...
but anyway... yer...
id still rather live in the UK though. :P :lol:
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Gotta agree with dakine, theres not much in the current british metal scene :(
Continental Europe, Canada and the US is where its at. And where I'm not at :(
It's not metal I'm worrird about (though I would welcome a lot more), I just want some feckin variation, from boy/girl bands, inde that isn't even inde and that so called urban cr@p
I'm not too worried that other cap exists: people are allowed to like what the hell they want. Who am I to say?
its that I know fine well there are top notch metal musicians in this country that are getting passed over for whatever reason, that should be getting serious international respect. Istead they play in local pubs, and bedrooms :(
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I'm not too worried that other cap exists: people are allowed to like what the hell they want. Who am I to say?
its that I know fine well there are top notch metal musicians in this country that are getting passed over for whatever reason, that should be getting serious international respect. Istead they play in local pubs, and bedrooms :(
People are allowed to like whatever they like, though to be honest I dont beleive that they really like the stuff that is sold to them, theyre buying what theyre being told to buy. Are nike trainers any better than a noname brand I doubt it, but they buy what theyre told to buy.
There are indeed great musicians & songwriters who deserve much more exposure, and long may they continue trying and I hope they get the recognition they deserve. I may not like a piece of music but I hope that I can still recognise something that merits attention
Valid music used to come from frustration (sexual ot social), rebellion, anger or angst, but what is there to rebel against these days. Waddya want a song called Call Centre Blues ;)
Remember if you defend your family, preperty or yourself then you will end up like me with a bloody GBH conviction because the law sticks up for the bad guys these days :(
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:lol:
well i agree with you... but i do think its a combination of factors like this that have caused it and not one specific thing alone...
cause i doubt every single good rock/metal band in the history of the UK formed through angst... maybe in an ideal world where music is pure and true and its main purpose is a form of expression for peoples feelings and all that idealogical cr@p... but in reality i HIGHLY doubt its like that... some do of course, form through feelings like that... like the Sex Pistols i guess are a good example...
but anyway... yer...
id still rather live in the UK though. :P :lol:
OMFG!
I wondered how long the 'genuine article' first BOY BAND would take to come up.
Yes yes, The Sex Pistols are synonymous with angst and very British yadda yadda but they were/are also a manufactured group by Malcolm McLaren.
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:lol:
well i agree with you... but i do think its a combination of factors like this that have caused it and not one specific thing alone...
Unemployment and unrest did wonders for the UK Rock, Punk, Metal scene in the late 70s & early 80s
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i'll just shut up
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its kinda went of the subject a bit hasnt it lol!!!
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its kinda went of the subject a bit hasnt it lol!!!
It often does, but sometimes it's entertaining
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lol, it used to be much better in the glory days though...
when the Dressing Room was still on its first page...
ahhhhh those were the days...
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I love reading these threads. I would summarise my thoughts by saying that the greatest innovative music tends to have been created by those who see their music as representing their struggle against the world. The music business in the UK now is similar to late 1950's early 1960's.The record companies play safe with predictible indentikit "acts" that can be manipulated to reproduce more of the same. Whatever anyone thinks of the Beatles( you had to have been around at the time to realise btw-sorry to those who weren't-you missed a treat)-they changed things for a while and for an all too brief period, anything was possible and the likes of the Stones, The Who, The Kinks, The Small Faces and dozens of others, were given the opportunity to fly. Some got lucky, others got stuffed but the music loving public where spoiled for choice. The deterioration started when disco emerged in the mid 1970's, there was a brief spark of punk/new wave but then it gradually got back to the music business regaining control and locking down creativity.That is not to say that great music has not emerged-just not enough.There are probably tons of great bands writing innovative exciting songs but they rarely get the chance to create.Hopefully the internet will enable them to get their music out-I am actually quite optimistic about that. Someone once said to me that 80% of music is cr*p and it is down to personal opinion how you allocate that proportion ( there was tones of rubbish on the 1960's too for that matter) but, whatever you call it, the next Beatles ( not literally playing "I Want To Hold Your Hand" )but creating what they created, is what is needed but the world is a different place and it probably will not happen. I am not surprised that Sam & Tom don't get The Beatles or The Rolling Stones- there would be something wrong if they did in many ways. For the record Rob, I don't agree about what you said about the White Album. Abbey Road was pretty good-George's awakening. As for the state of the Nation- pitiful but still a damn site better than many places in the world. Thems me thoughts.
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+1 on enjoying these kinda threads beatle.
and i guess its fair enough about the whole Beatles thing... you had to be there i guess...
but then again just to add to what you said...
about where innovative music tends to come from... that may be true... but i dont think innovative necessarily means best in all cases...
on the other hand ive only witnessed 15 years out of a damn sight more than that of musical history... so its hard to say.
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It is good to see that GAK have seen the light though.
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I am not surprised that Sam & Tom don't get The Beatles or The Rolling Stones- there would be something wrong if they did in many ways. For the record Rob, I don't agree about what you said about the White Album. Abbey Road was pretty good-George's awakening. As for the state of the Nation- pitiful but still a damn site better than many places in the world. Thems me thoughts.
The Stones, The Kinks (and especially the Beatles) changed music, I wasn't around at the time, but my parents held the Beatles responsible for the death of good music (they liked the first few singles). Listen to what went before the Beatles and you bay get an idea why they where revolutionay.
The Who (a band underrated during the 60s) may be best representitive of the changes these bands created.
When My Generation was released there had never been anything that sounded like that, it was practically a declatation of war, even my kids are stunned at that song when it's played at high volume (and my daughter is into the DJ sh1t)
As for my comments regarding the White Album, by anybody elses standards the following albums where amazing, and George indeed did find his muse. But to me there is something lacking and too slick. The songs where there no dount, but for mr the albums where not :(
Their rooftop gig showed that they still had it, and personally I beleive they should have headed towards simplicity. Which ironically they all did as individual artists (some more so than others).
Rob...
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^thats an interesting point though rob.... about your parents seeing the Beatles as the end of good music...
it makes me wonder... it could just be the same process over and over again...
yours and beatles' generation not liking a lot of modern music could be remeniscent of your parents not liking the new music in their time... maybe its just a thing that happens... i mean, what im trying to say is... your parents and their generation could have been saying exactly what your all saying now...
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I don't think so as across the age ranges here most everybody feels that there is a defiante lack if anything happening
I have always disliked the majority of music that I hear, but there has always been something I could appreciate (if not actually enjoy) but at the minute there dosn't appear to be very much at all.
Personallty I'm reduced to working backwards throgh time looking for bands I have missed, which considering the possibilitys offered by the internet its a little counter intutive to me.
Rob...
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yours and beatles' generation not liking a lot of modern music could be remeniscent of your parents not liking the new music in their time... maybe its just a thing that happens... i mean, what im trying to say is... your parents and their generation could have been saying exactly what your all saying now...
I think that's always the case with every generation. My dad used to come in when Top of the Pops was on and say "what's this rubbish?" (he'd wait until the end of the song when Pan's People or Legs & Co were on though! :wink: ). As you get older you try to stay in touch with new music, but simply because you've been around a long time everything starts to sound like something you've heard before - it's hard for me to get excited about Oasis or Bloc Party or Trivium or the bloody Libertines because they just sound like recycled versions of things from 20+ years ago.
But, in (sort of) defence of new music, I think the things you like when you're 15-20 have more impact than things you get into when you're older. It goes deeper somehow. My musical tastes may have broadened, and I may lose interest in stuff I bought only a year or two ago, but I know I'll always love those old Purple, Sabbath, Rainbow, Rush, Scorpions and Robin Trower albums (mock me if you wish). Even if new stuff is "as good" as those bands, it won't seem like it to me. I'm the wrong age to be receptive to it.
I'm going on a bit, but finally, there'll never be another band that has an impact as big as the Beatles. "Pop" (and rock) may be the music of the young, but Pop itself is middle-aged and flabby. There's nothing revolutionary or innovative about it any more. There are just too many bands in the world for any one to really stand out. In 1962, the older generation had no comprehension at all of what was happening. It was earth-shaking that young men grew their hair past their collars. The record companies let artists do whatever they wanted because they simply didn't understand what they were up to. That can never happen again - us oldies may not like what the kids are into, but it has no shock value because the music itself is much less revolutionary than it was 30 or 40 years ago.
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I'm going on a bit, but finally, there'll never be another band that has an impact as big as the Beatles. "Pop" (and rock) may be the music of the young, but Pop itself is middle-aged and flabby. There's nothing revolutionary or innovative about it any more. There are just too many bands in the world for any one to really stand out. In 1962, the older generation had no comprehension at all of what was happening. It was earth-shaking that young men grew their hair past their collars. The record companies let artists do whatever they wanted because they simply didn't understand what they were up to. That can never happen again - us oldies may not like what the kids are into, but it has no shock value because the music itself is much less revolutionary than it was 30 or 40 years ago.
Here, Here! Very eloquently put, I couldn't agree more.
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:lol: or a cheap Ibanez Jem copy...
and anyway id rather live in a soft country than a place where people's 'security systems' require ammunition...
You are welcome to your country where the youth are better armed than Law Enforcement. Where Law Enforcement is so stifled by liberals they have little to no power. Where polls say the adult population in general is in fear of the youth. Where punishment is either non-exsistant to farcical.
I shitee you not ladies and gentlemen! It's fecked!
Rock/Metal comes from ANGST! What have the youth today got to have angst about? Benefits, crime with no punishment etc. Thats WHY it's gone all soft.
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How would Judas Priest write "Breakin the law" in this day and age???
Most good UK Heavy Metal came from the industrial heartlands and was usually a working class thing.
It appealed to young people who understood the angst and attitude of where it came from- even the escapism of sword and sorcery stuff.
Most of today's kids relate more to Mike Skinner (The streets), or artists that relate to sitting at home playing computer games, smoking drugs, stealing or joining gangs. Folks on this forum dont count as they have an interest in guitars and guitar based music.
But this country and its media do by and large ignore UK Heavy Metal/hard rock - almost as if it was dressed up in Union Jacks and represented unsavory things like the BNP.
Also so many UK bands are so hell bend on copying USA bands that they just look like pale imitations rather than something unique. Any bands that do their own thing stand out a mile - maybe like Muse.
This country has produced some class bands that have been discussed on this forum, that simply did not get the chance to break big - Thunder, Gun, Little Angels, Dirty Deeds, Kick,Jagged Edge/Skin, Panama, Hurricane Party/Roadstar (i rather like them).
Whether that is because we dont go out to see small bands anymore, that venues will only book tribute bands, or that the record industry simply isnt interested to promoting anything that isnt manufactured like a Boy band, I dont know.
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I can't help but notice that there is no new movement within either society or music for young people to get into; rock n roll, punk, the rave scene, they've all been and gone and generally just seem to have been regurgitated into some kind of banal, generic mess. I'm sure that there are still some truly innovative musicians out there but I can't see anything happening that will change the world again or even too many young people willing to do so! :lol:
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This country has produced some class bands that have been discussed on this forum, that simply did not get the chance to break big - Thunder, Gun, Little Angels, Dirty Deeds, Kick,Jagged Edge/Skin, Panama, Hurricane Party/Roadstar (i rather like them).
Roadstar as in this band - www.myspace.com/roadstarband ?
Apparently some guy who was in the year above me in 6th form plays guitar for em now.. I thought they were new and not very well known for some reason :lol:
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:lol: or a cheap Ibanez Jem copy...
and anyway id rather live in a soft country than a place where people's 'security systems' require ammunition...
You are welcome to your country where the youth are better armed than Law Enforcement. Where Law Enforcement is so stifled by liberals they have little to no power. Where polls say the adult population in general is in fear of the youth. Where punishment is either non-exsistant to farcical.
I shitee you not ladies and gentlemen! It's fecked!
Rock/Metal comes from ANGST! What have the youth today got to have angst about? Benefits, crime with no punishment etc. Thats WHY it's gone all soft.
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How would Judas Priest write "Breakin the law" in this day and age???
Most good UK Heavy Metal came from the industrial heartlands and was usually a working class thing.
It appealed to young people who understood the angst and attitude of where it came from- even the escapism of sword and sorcery stuff.
Most of today's kids relate more to Mike Skinner (The streets), or artists that relate to sitting at home playing computer games, smoking drugs, stealing or joining gangs. Folks on this forum dont count as they have an interest in guitars and guitar based music.
But this country and its media do by and large ignore UK Heavy Metal/hard rock - almost as if it was dressed up in Union Jacks and represented unsavory things like the BNP.
Also so many UK bands are so hell bend on copying USA bands that they just look like pale imitations rather than something unique. Any bands that do their own thing stand out a mile - maybe like Muse.
This country has produced some class bands that have been discussed on this forum, that simply did not get the chance to break big - Thunder, Gun, Little Angels, Dirty Deeds, Kick,Jagged Edge/Skin, Panama, Hurricane Party/Roadstar (i rather like them).
Whether that is because we dont go out to see small bands anymore, that venues will only book tribute bands, or that the record industry simply isnt interested to promoting anything that isnt manufactured like a Boy band, I dont know.
Agree wholeheartedly.
When in my youth I went to small clubs/Uni's to see Thunder, Quireboys,Gun, Tokyo Blade/Shogun, Rogue Male etc., but thus far am not seeing the like anymore (again been Over Da Pond awhile).
In short, it saddens my soul :(
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This country has produced some class bands that have been discussed on this forum, that simply did not get the chance to break big - Thunder, Gun, Little Angels, Dirty Deeds, Kick,Jagged Edge/Skin, Panama, Hurricane Party/Roadstar (i rather like them).
Roadstar as in this band - www.myspace.com/roadstarband ?
Apparently some guy who was in the year above me in 6th form plays guitar for em now.. I thought they were new and not very well known for some reason :lol:
Yeah - that's them
Really good band to see live
The songs are good and well crafted - many written or co-written by Laurie Mansworth - their manager who was in a few great 1980s bands like Airrace & More.
They use BKPs in a couple of their guitars as well
they did have a lineup change a while back with Kreepy(Robin) leaving and Sid (your old 6th form buddy?) joining.
They are a band that I have chatted to about using our guitars now and then and it would be great for them to fly the flag for Brit built stuff too.
Worth checking out live as well !!
Ooh - my 1000th post !!!
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It seems I've been lied to, as the guys names Andy, not Sid :P Then again I think Andy does use bareknuckles so maybe Sid is just some kinda stage name.. I dunno :lol:
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I think Belfast is finally starting to foster a bit of a metal scene, so there's our years of fear, opression, terror, unemployment etc. filtering into Music and the young. Most of the bands doing it are about my age (mid twenties), kinda the perfect age to form that attitude as for your whole life, you didn't know any different to the insanity. Finally, now, the curtain has lifted just a hair and music is starting to flow. No-one's broke big yet, right enough, but I can think of a couple of bands on the verge...
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personally i think that low output pickups are better because they show the guitar's character a lot more
They show the player's character more too.
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yea your probably right. it most likely is a popularity thing. were you gonna by bare knuckles from gak? cause if you were the bare knuckle shop has way better prices. hope i was remotly helpfull lol
Nope I itend on getting them from the site because they are cheaper and I feel I owe it to Tim and the rest of you guys after all the help you guys and Tim have given to me :wink:
RorySRV,