Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: BloodMountain on November 13, 2006, 06:27:31 PM
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hi fellow BKPers. im sorry about the amount of topics from me recently, but i need to know this. this follows on from the warpig output topic, which has gone asleep.
im looking for a chunky, heavy and defined metal style distorted rhythm tone that sounds a bit like Opeth's Blackwater Park album (and every album afterwards) tone. i love a fat bottom end (grow up) and a nice clean tone, but thats not that vital. any help would be appreciated. Ive heard that these two would be the best for this, but which to choose?
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i have both....
thing is i just have 'my sound' type of thing and arent really the best as describing tones lol
nailbomb is probably tighter and more of a 1 pickup for lead\rhythm tone type affairs
warpig good for downtuned riffing and heavy stuff
both are pretty evil sounding :)
tough one
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They use SD SH10 Full Shred, so I'd say Nailbomb...
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this is a VERY tough one... ive heard amazing things about both... i love their sound on tracks like Deliverence, the Grand Conjuration, Ghost of Perdition, the Baying of the Hounds, and the Leper Affinity
and btw its only a neck pickup im looking for, which is why its so hard, because i have heard amazing things about the Nailbomb bridge, but the neck is said to be better for leads when im looking for a rhythm tone.
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Opeth just dont need the output of a pig. Its overkill in both positions.
Nailbomb.
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So true
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just one thing about the Nailbomb... i need a neck model, but the Nailbomb neck is said to be warm and had a good lead sound, but im not looking for a good lead sound... im looking for the complete opposite. but the Nailbomb neck has an awesome clean, ive heard some clips, but will it cut it for metal rhythm killer distortion? (the bridge certainly does, but the neck?)
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I would never play heavy rythm on a neck pickup myslef, fra too bassy, even for some vintagey Opeth tones. Use your bridge for rythms, like any other metal heads 8)
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...the Nailbomb neck... but will it cut it for metal rhythm killer distortion? (the bridge certainly does, but the neck?)
IMO, no neck humbucker will do that - neck pickups simply aren't meant for that use.
I would never play heavy rythm on a neck pickup myslef, fra too bassy, even for some vintagey Opeth tones....
Me neither - & I very much doubt Opeth do either. In fact, I can't think of a single Opeth heavy riff that sounds like it was played on the neck pickup.
& regarding the original question in this thread: Nailbomb for Opeth type tones over the 'pig. JMO, YMMV etc... :)
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yeh, but im keeping the dimebucker in the razorback im getting (ive already tried it out and its great) but the neck one is not good enough... and the dimebucker is supposed to be for leads but its in the bridge... :(
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ok, thanks people... sorry for the double post here... its good advice. i will listen to the dimebucker more closely when i get my razorback, then see if i will upgrade both :twisted:
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You WILL NOT regret replacing a dimebucker.
You wouldnt regret replacing it with a fridge magnet wrapped in 400k of polysol. Any BKP you could choose for the job will do opeth better than that flabby chainsaw.
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IMO :P
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yeh, but im keeping the dimebucker in the razorback im getting (ive already tried it out and its great) but the neck one is not good enough... and the dimebucker is supposed to be for leads but its in the bridge... :(
You use the bridge humbucker for nearly all your distorted tones - lead AND rhythm. Perhaps you might use the neck for an occasional lead if you want a slightly different tone (for an example of a neck lead, dig out "Vulgar Display of Power" & listen to the solo on "Walk") - aside from that you'll use the neck for cleans (as Opeth do).
To save everyone sending you a PM: No neck pickup is going to get you Opeth's distorted tone... :)
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Am I the only one to play most of my lead on the neck pickup?
IMO the neck pickup is for clean/crunch tones (and leads emm...) and bridge for distorted rythms and leads :twisted:
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Am I the only one to play most of my lead on the neck pickup?
IMO the neck pickup is for clean/crunch tones (and leads emm...) and bridge for distorted rythms and leads :twisted:
I use neck and bridge fairly evenly for lead.
Neck for clean and the occasional just-over-the-edge tone, yes.
Youre not alone! (sorta).
My favourite lead sound at the moment is actually my bridge ceramic pig in parrallel.
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OK, I was generalising - of course there are no rules & some will use the neck for leads more than others. However, the point I was trying to make was that no neck pickup is going to give you a "killer metal rhythm tone" that sounds anything like Opeth, Pantera (or anyone else you care to name....) :)
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I also EXCLUSIVELY use bridge humbuckers for metal rhythm.
Neck pickups turn to mud for heavy rhythm. Offensively flabby and muddy with high gain chords and low string lines.
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I have a Nailbomb in the bridge position, I use it for rhythm stuff and lead work, in the neck I have a DiMarzio Humbucker from hell, which holds it's own when I need crystal clear clean sounds.
I've never fancied the neck pickup lead tone, it just sounds too... clean, too rounded. Bridge pickup retains an edgy characteristic and sounds better for ripping some serious shred licks.
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Well it depends on the type of music you play really if you want to use the neck pickup for playing lead, I know I certainly do get that really smooth tone from it, especially from a les paul cause of the position it lies in.
Also use the middle position but thats cos I got a three-bucker, has a little more natural mid I find it cuts through a little better without any boosts if you know what you're doing setting up. Certainly use the bridge aswell for that edginess neemo was talking about find it usually needs a mid boost if playing in a two guitar band.
There is a way to use the neck pickup for rhythm, but you have to cut a lot of bass and it usually tends to be in the recording studio as a double track to thicken the sound up a little. You definitely won't get the Opeth/Pantera Rhythm with a neck pickup thats bridge all the way.
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ok... what a response!!!! wow!!! ok... one more question... about the dimebucker, i dont have the money to replace that too. would the dimebucker fit in the neck?
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or is there a BKP that sounds VERY similar to the Dimebucker, just better, but still keeping that characteristic dimebag lead sound?
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Neck pickup for smooth clean jazz runs and for high gain sweep picked arpeggios (both in my dreams :) ). Bridge for everything else:twisted: :twisted:
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I have a nailbomb neck and an emerald bridge. its a VERY versitile combination! From blues to metal. Thin lizzy, slash, led zeppelin, opeth, zakk wylde. its great.
but not my taste! At least, the emerald bridge isn't. I'm thinking of replacing the pickup with a nailbomb bridge.
but what I can tell about the NB Neck: its FAT. its like shite scooped through a funnel. and the emerald is that aswell...so, thats why I need something more screaming, and less fatty.
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is the nailbomb neck brutal enough?
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Brutal comes from the bridge, my friend.
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Yeah, brutal is the trebly bark of the bridge pickup. The neck is good for leads where you do lots of legato (or sweeping, or tapping) high up the neck on the treble side, where the bridge pickup can sound a little thin, and the neck makes the notes nicely flow into each other.
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righty then. heres the plan. when i get the razorback, the dimebucker is going in the neck, and make way for the NAILBOMB!!!
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I dread to think what a dimebucker would sound like in the neck.
Just leave whatevers in the neck there and put a NB in the bridge.
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surely a dimebucker in the neck would sound better than a dean stock unit...
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I've found dean pickups are actually OK.
Dont be fooled by names!
Just listen to them.
I'll bet a stock dean neck sounds better than a dimebucker in the neck.
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The Dimebucker is a high-output ceramic-magnet pickup. It'll sound like sh!t in the neck position, it's too powerful - it's just not what it was designed for.
When you get the Razorback, why not live with the stock pickups for a while and see what you like/don't like about them? No offence BloodMountain, but there's no point deciding on the pickups before you know what the guitar sounds like.