Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: BloodMountain on November 26, 2006, 11:02:40 PM
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hi,
this is to anyone who has any experience with the razorback...
How well does it play? every review i have read says that it plays awesome... even the one that gave it 5 overall (that was only one out of about 15 reviews though). i might be getting one for 570 pounds, so its a huge discount from the 995 RRP.
my local guitar shop wouldnt let me try it out cause they were selling it for 995! they said it was too expensive to try out. liars.
Thanks for any help, BLOODMOUNTAIN
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The Dean Forum is really good
www.deanguitars.com/forum
They are supposed to play well and the trem is supposed to be pretty decent.
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yay just the information i needed! thanks!
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i haven't tried the razorback, but I've tried the dimebag ml model (the transparent burst one).
I wasn't impressed at all- felt like korean/chinese (which it is) manufacture, only you get to pay £700 instead of £300.
The dimebucker is horrible. and it's a no-name floyd copy on it.
you can get a pro-level guitar for £700, easily. The dean dime's that I've tried aren't.
I'd avoid it, but I guess it depends how badly you want the dean shape.
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another thing - obviously i don't know you, but if you're anything like me you'll outgrow that shape, if not that style of guitar in time, and you'll wander what they hell you were thinking, and you'll be stuck with an embarrasingly extreme-styled guitar and seeing far higher quality guitars more moderately priced and moderately shaped.
Make sure it's what you want
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heres the follow-up... im not paying 700... only 570.
about the dimebucker... im easily impressed, so i wont be disappointed, and anyway i wont have and never have had any BKPs to compare it to, so i will be happy with it, until i shove it in the neck and put a C-WP with burnt chrome cover in the bridge!!!!! hahaha!!!
ahem... anyway, about the shape, i got bored of my SG and i am SICK TO DEATH of the strat shape, but i think i will enjoy this one. i will never get bored or sick of the shape, just it will eventually feel normal when i pick it up.
Plus with an explosion paint job, it will take me 10 years to get bored of it, and by then, i will have enough money to buy myself 1 or 2 custom made axes anyway, so its all fine in my book (and my book is pretty small tho, as i said, im easily impressed.)
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^ just try an ibanez rg1570, and jackson sl3 as well...
both of those are around the same price- just to compare to. (the ibanez is about £450, that'd leave you enough for pickups of your choice)
even £570 is a lot if it plays like the dimeburst ml i tried.
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try before you buy!! :D
what sort of shop wont let you try it out before you buy it??
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my local guitar shop wouldnt let me try it out cause they were selling it for 995! they said it was too expensive to try out. liars.
995 reduced to 570 and you cant try it, errr that smells of rodent to me !
Get a decent play in it or avoid it like the plague
It's not as if a 1000 quid guitar is particularly high end in this day and age.
Rob...
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Scum.
That really hacks me off. We're supposed to hand over large sums of money for an guitar thats sitting right there a few feet away based on faith?
Never buy anything you dont try (all things being equal: pickups and custom stuff is another story).
Never buy from anyone that wont let you try it.
You wanna give those guys your money for service like that?
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^ agreed.
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i paid £479 (iirc) for my Dime O Flame
really happy with it, cant fault the setup\build at all
neck and frets are great, chunkier than my Legra
dimebucker swapped out for a warpig :P
trem is a copy but holds tune great (and i dont use the trem for divebombs anyway)
the shape is great, feels easy to play
the wiring inside was tidy when i changed the pickups.
In the past I paid nigh on £800 for a Jackson RR5 rhoads, now that was a piece of turd, dodgy gold hardware that faded instantly, a rattley scratch plate (wood was so soft the screws worked lose every couple of days lol), tall thin frets, and pretty poor SD pickups.... looked cool and the neck was nice!
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it was kind of awkward when they told me i couldnt try it out... after they said it i just said to my friend "hey, i want to check that lightning baby dean" and went around the corner scowling :evil:
yeah, that dime o flame sounds good... ive heard the razorback is better lol... i was thinking of changing the dimebucker to a burnt warpig too, but only if i dont like the tone or if i have any spare money :)
i will ask my dad, who is going to get it cheap from the USA, to try it out: he is a blues player who demands a nice neck and action, so i trust his opinion.
I have also checked out the dean forum, and no bad customers, except a problem with the trem screw IN arm, which they fixed by buying a screw ON arm from an original floyd rose, which doesnt cost that much.
EDIT: response to a comment further up, i hate ibanez! they often dont come in mahogany (my favourite wood for tone), stock pickups are said to be rubbish, and the shape is dead boring IMO.
also, the shop is just a local guitar shop, not a music shop, it specializes in guitars. i saw a guy try something out just as i came in! the scoundrels.
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i suspect that their choice to not let you try the guitar was based largely upon what you look like - some guitar shops don't tend to let you try things if you look very young (and therefore, most probably unable to actually buy the guitar), and i know my local one doesn't let anyone with long hair or makeup try anything out :P
let them know you're for real and they may reconsider
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also, going in with your friend could have done it too... if you go in with your mates, they think you have 30 minutes to wait until your train, and you're just showing off in front of your mates, not actually thinking of buying...
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Simple answer-become rich and famous and then go in there and tell them to sod off.
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i know my local one doesn't let anyone with long hair or makeup try anything out :P
Um, does that include women? :?
Bloodmountain, if you're getting your Dad to try it out, why not go along with him? That way you get to try it too and the staff won't give you any sh!t.
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i know my local one doesn't let anyone with long hair or makeup try anything out :P
Um, does that include women? :?
I don't know - i've never seen anyone female ask to play a guitar in there...
or at all in fact :?
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Joking aside, it's pretty ludicrous for a shop that depends on musicians for their income to judge people on appearances. No wonder British popular music isn't what it was if you need a sensible haircut to buy a guitar.
And I can't remember the last time I saw a female customer trying something in a guitar shop either. Acoustics, yes. Electrics, no.
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The Dean Razorback, the definitive guitar for bald women guitarists over 40.
Jeez that sounds like a real cr@p shop or that there is somthing wrong with the guitar for sale.
Actually this sounds like the story of when Vivien Campbell (of Dio et al) went through when he tried to buy his first Ferrari.
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Actually this sounds like the story of when Vivien Campbell (of Dio et al) went through when he tried to buy his first Ferrari.
Don't know the story, but I doubt it'll have me overflowing with sympathy for the poor lad....
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If a shop don't let you try it out. Leave. Take your money elsewhere.
Personally, after that, I wouldn't shitee on their doorstep if they asked me nicely.
(Hence I don't go to Matchett's, Tughan Cranes, Session Music (a much longer story!) or Bairds any more)
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yeah, i am never going into their shop again. if they judge me just because i have long (ish) hair, then that is not a real guitar shop. its a stereotypical shop that just likes to put guitars on show, rather than let their possible customers play them.
i would go with my dad to try it out, but he has already gone, and there is no way he would take me with him, because of school and the like.
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If a shop don't let you try it out. Leave. Take your money elsewhere.
Personally, after that, I wouldn't shitee on their doorstep if they asked me nicely.
(Hence I don't go to Matchett's, Tughan Cranes, Session Music (a much longer story!) or Bairds any more)
matchetts is a lot better than it used to be. or else the manager recognises me now. 1 of the 2. but they're definitely a lot friendlier than they used to be.
tughan cranes is shut now i think (or moved).
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Aye it is, thank god. Shower of snobby arseholes.
i remember asking about a hammond organ in there one day, only to have the snotty wee gobshitee say, "Well, I would assume you're after a second hand one..." I required restraining...
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If a shop don't let you try it out. Leave. Take your money elsewhere.
(Hence I don't go to Matchett's, Tughan Cranes, Session Music (a much longer story!) or Bairds any more)
matchetts is a lot better than it used to be. or else the manager recognises me now. 1 of the 2. but they're definitely a lot friendlier than they used to be.
tughan cranes is shut now i think (or moved).
Off topic I know
Tugan Cranes is indeed closed down (only any good for sheet music anyway)
Session closed (as a sales outet) almost 3 years ago.
Matchetts are ok cept for all the school kids (little bast**ds), and some of the real cr@p they sell
I have a great liking for Bairds as the first time I eve went in they left me in charge of the shop while they went to the pub for some christmas drinks (I had never been in the shop before). That was in the days when Tokais lawsuit models first turned up. They always used to have great 2nd hand guitars.
The Belfast guitar Emporium is OK but I would prefer it to be a bit less coffee shop style. Though I do want the Tokai double cut LP Jr (ohhh it's nice) and the 63 Jaguar (http://www.belfastguitaremporium.com/)
For a decent guitar selection I have found that the closest to belfast is in Blackrock (tis a pity the staff remind me of Britany Spears recent pictures), but they have interesting used guitars and amps (with some new stuff).
Rob...
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I dunno man, I was near Session not six months ago. It moved on up the Donegall Pass, up near the police Station. Well, Nearer. Everything on the Donegall Pass is pretty near the police station. I didn't go in. I was threatened by members of staff in there, so I couldn't care less if it burnt down, to be honest.
The Emporium's great as long as you deal with the boss man (Neil). He's a damned good businessman, and really knows how to sell stuff, not how to make you buy it, which are two very different things. I myself have been gassing on that Tokai doublecut. My old Voodoo strat is in there too, and it's a lovely axe.
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Actually this sounds like the story of when Vivien Campbell (of Dio et al) went through when he tried to buy his first Ferrari.
Don't know the story, but I doubt it'll have me overflowing with sympathy for the poor lad....
I remember when Barry Sheen (then World Top Rider) landed by helicopter at TOP Australian Hotel (for OZ part of Bike Championship) and was met by the manager and told he could'nt stay there looking like that (jeans and T-Shirt), till he was informed who Barry Sheen was LOL! Embarressment ensued!
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The Belfast guitar Emporium is OK but I would prefer it to be a bit less coffee shop style. Though I do want the Tokai double cut LP Jr (ohhh it's nice) and the 63 Jaguar (http://www.belfastguitaremporium.com/)
For a decent guitar selection I have found that the closest to belfast is in Blackrock (tis a pity the staff remind me of Britany Spears recent pictures), but they have interesting used guitars and amps (with some new stuff).
Rob...
aye, the emporium is very coffee-shoppy... you can sometimes hardly get their attention if you want to try anything as they're all having a group chat round those couple of couches in the centre... definitely a nice shop, though, the nicest we have over here by far (that I've been in, anyway).
still have to find out where blackrock is, :lol:
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still have to find out where blackrock is, :lol:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=blackrock,+louth,+ireland&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=61.328812,102.65625&ie=UTF8&t=h&om=1&z=12&ll=53.964569,-6.37001&spn=0.090483,0.31311&iwloc=addr
or "blackrock, louth, ireland" works for google earth
Though it has been 2 years since I was last there.
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^ wow, that's not terribly close... :( I figured it was down there, but then you said it was close to belfast...
but thanks, Rob! if I'm ever down there, I might check it out.
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^ wow, that's not terribly close... :( I figured it was down there, but then you said it was close to belfast...
but thanks, Rob! if I'm ever down there, I might check it out.
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Hey considering the milage I used to do every week, it is close to belfast ;)
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^ :lol:
close to me is within about 25-30 miles...
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close to me is walking distance. :?
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close to me is walking distance. :?
to me these days it's on the desk beside me (otherwise it's too far to bother with)
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I want one so bad it makes me drool... but, for now, I'll settle for a hardtail Dean ML next year at some point.
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guess who's dad has brought one back from Washington and is getting to have it at christmas??? ME!!!! MUHAHAHA!!
hey, if i dont like the dimebucker, im probably gonna put a Ceramic Warpig in there.
but first, i need to get a laney GH50L (in about a year's time!)
im very excited about the razorback, though
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I saw Trivium playing with Iron Maiden last night and the lead singer had a razorback. I can't tell you much about the sound as it was pretty mushy in general but he gave it some extreme whammy abuse for 30 mins and it stayed perfectly in tune. Looked cool as f**k as well, although the guitar looked absolutely massive! Maybe he singer was just really small. :wink:
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he is a bit small. it may have sounded mushy because of the marshalls he use, i see the marshall sound as mushy.
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he is a bit small. it may have sounded mushy because of the marshalls he use, i see the marshall sound as mushy.
As a Marshall user I can say "bad generalisation, sir"... some are, some aren't.
But kudos on the awesome guitar, if you take the Dimebucker out then I'll be forced to gut you! :D All you need now is an SD 59 in the neck and it's 100% Dime'd. :)
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yeah, the marshall sound on my MG250DFX is mushy anyway. i spose it is expected tho from a cheap line of solid state amps!
im putting the dimebucker in the neck no matter what anyone says, and putting a ceramic warpig in the bridge.
my plan is not to copy dime in every way at all! thats why im putting in the warpig, so i can find my own sound. but don't worry, the dimebucker is staying in! for good.
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Good stuff. :D
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yep can't wait! after the razorback, i think an EQ pedal is more affordable and easier to get than a laney GH50L and marshall 1936 2x12 cab with V30s. ha i have my future gear planned :)
hmmm how much could i get for my MG250DFX on eBay?
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Well, the MG's are by no means a good gigging amp but they're sound practise amps fo sho.
Brand new, that model goes (cheapest) for £224 (that's from GAK) so it depends on the condition of it but I'd reckon you could get £150 or so... keep in mind though, postage on an amp that size will be pretty hefty. Gotta be at least £30 by courier.
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he is a bit small. it may have sounded mushy because of the marshalls he use, i see the marshall sound as mushy.
I was suprised how muchy they sounded, I'm sure Maiden were using Marshalls last night and they sounded great.
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yeah, maybe it wasn't the marshalls. im seeing maiden/trivium on friday, so i will tell then. my MG250DFX IS mushy.
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yeah, maybe it wasn't the marshalls. im seeing maiden/trivium on friday, so i will tell then. my MG250DFX IS mushy.
It's a good show. maiden played the new album in full, which is okay if you've seen them before but i think quite a few in the audience were hoping for all the classics.
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as am i! im going to the London earls court on the 22nd... lets hope they honour their own country by playing the classics... especially if its in the capital!
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im putting the dimebucker in the neck no matter what anyone says, and putting a ceramic warpig in the bridge.
my plan is not to copy dime in every way at all! thats why im putting in the warpig, so i can find my own sound. but don't worry, the dimebucker is staying in! for good.
*awaits new "which neck pickup to match well with warpig" thread with baited breath...*
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yep can't wait! after the razorback, i think an EQ pedal is more affordable and easier to get than a laney GH50L and marshall 1936 2x12 cab with V30s. ha i have my future gear planned :)
hmmm how much could i get for my MG250DFX on eBay?
someone recently got about £180, which was pretty good, I thought- though that was a few days ago, maybe christmas pushed the price up.
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oh well, im happy with over £150! and no, i dont want another neck pickup. i would, but another 100 quid? no thanks... ill barely even use it if i get another one!
i will use the dimebucker cause its dimes sig pickup!
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^ yeah, i mean I'd be happy with anything over £150 for my avt100 as well! though obviously now in light of what an mg 250 goes for...
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money all round! hehe, maybe i will get a GH50L sooner than i think... i first need to save the difference between the laney and the marshall, then sell the marshall and buy the laney.