Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
At The Back => Time Out => Topic started by: Afghan Dave on December 02, 2006, 04:27:44 AM
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I've just watched this on youtube and I can't think of a more boring performance..
This guy has ZERO stage presence and the solo numbs my brain..
If I have ever criticised Zakk I take it all back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yutHU7WXeNU
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:D Seems to have a good technique but doesn`t no what to do with it.
Very Bland & nondescript really Shame.
:D 8)
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Got to love Ozzy using a teleprompter! What year was this???
Never heard of Joe Holmes outside of this show with Ozzy really.
The guy can play though:
Mr Crowley
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf3WfMmr9Sk
Crazy Train
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjbBhDxr84Y
I agree the Suicide Solution solo is ???? meh but i love his takes on the songs themselves.
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"It is unknown what Joe has done since then, although one rumor is that Joe died. :?:
Another rumor is that Joe is working with his 2 former Ozzy bandmates Mike Bordin and Robert Trujillo on a new project in San Francisco." :?:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Holmes
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First of all i do like him, he is an awesome player, BUT:
1) You can't play Ozzy with a strat
2) You need to move!!!
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jake e lee played ozzy with a strat...
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well, that was possibly the worst solo i've ever seen! has he seen spinal tap? oh, no offence to the guy, but he kinda shows why us skinny guys should probably keep our shirts on...
as for the teleprompter, you'll find them on stage with quite a few big bands. first time i remember seeing them was guns'n'roses in '91.
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I much preferred Joe in his previous band : Lizzy Borden
The album Visual Lies is freaking awesome
Here is a video from it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sxhvw4Iggtc
Don't be put off by the visual aspect of it (although they were great when i saw them play at The Marquee in 1987) - the sound, song quality and arrangements they did were great and I think the singer sounds a bit like Bruce Dickenson - check out "visual lies" - awesome album
Joe was a guitar student of Randy Rhoads when Randy taught at his mom's music school : Musonia
He also played guitar for Dave Lee Roth - think it was the tour that Jason Becker couldn't play on (Little Aint Enough tour)
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Mr. Crowley sounds great, but i still just don't like hearing anyone else play randy's songs. although on you tube someone said this guy was randy's student, so i guess he'd be proud.
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When I saw Ozzy at Newcastle City Hall around '91/'92 Joe Holmes was on guitar - I was TOTALLY bummed out since I was a massive ZW fan.
:twisted:
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Thats just how I felt when he replaced Jason Becker in the DLR band after A Little Aint Enough.. :evil: :(
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I've just watched this on youtube and I can't think of a more boring performance..
This guy has ZERO stage presence and the solo numbs my brain..
If I have ever criticised Zakk I take it all back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yutHU7WXeNU
Compare and contrast with Jake E Lee's performance of the same song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU3MPLNw3Dc
Joe Holmes looks like he'd be at home in an Indie shoe-gazer band than a stadium rock band. He can definitely play though.
Muttley
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Compare and contrast with Jake E Lee's performance of the same song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU3MPLNw3Dc
WOW :lol: :)
Thanks Muttley, that just put a huge grin on my face. Those were the days.... :guitar4: :twisted:
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When I saw Ozzy at Newcastle City Hall around '91/'92 Joe Holmes was on guitar - I was TOTALLY bummed out since I was a massive ZW fan.
Me too. I saw ozzy in Sheffield and was gutted that Zakk wasn't in the band. Fear Factory were supporting though so that kinda made up for it :twisted:
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Jake was awesome as a player - seems to get left out in everyones obsession with Zakk
I love the cello playing technique where he uses his thumb on the fretboard
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I think I wore out my copy of that live Ozzy vid in the place where Jake has his guitar solo, awesome stuff. He really makes that guitar scream. There are some good clips of him with Badlands on youtube too.
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Jake was awesome as a player - seems to get left out in everyones obsession with Zakk
I love the cello playing technique where he uses his thumb on the fretboard
Yeah. I love the way he does dive-bombs using the tuning peg. ;)
I also stole his (highly questionable from a guitar care point of view) mini-dive by bending the neck forward. :twisted: :oops:
Also stole the percussive stuff by hammering the body with your fist. :twisted:
TBH I love Zakk's playing in small doses, but Jake has a far better sense of melody with his solos. Zakk's are pretty repetitive.
Muttley
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TBH I love Zakk's playing in small doses, but Jake has a far better sense of melody with his solos. Zakk's are pretty repetitive.
Muttley
I have to agree with that. I think Jake's solos edge it and he is criminally overlooked. :?
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I also stole his (highly questionable from a guitar care point of view) mini-dive by bending the neck forward.
:twisted: SNNAPP! :twisted:
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I also stole his (highly questionable from a guitar care point of view) mini-dive by bending the neck forward. :twisted: :oops:
Also stole the percussive stuff by hammering the body with your fist. :twisted:
Muttley
i used to do the neck bend thing too, and i still do the body thump percussive thing, but i got both from Slash. but who knows, maybe he got them from Jake. actually, i imagine it's probably been done for many years, but we can only ever say where we saw it first
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I also stole his (highly questionable from a guitar care point of view) mini-dive by bending the neck forward.
:twisted: SNNAPP! :twisted:
Luckily that hasn't happened yet...
*touches wood*
(http://www.yakyak.org/images/smiles/finbarr-small.gif)
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I also stole his (highly questionable from a guitar care point of view) mini-dive by bending the neck forward.
:twisted: SNNAPP! :twisted:
Luckily that hasn't happened yet...
*touches wood*
(http://www.yakyak.org/images/smiles/finbarr-small.gif)
I'm preparing glue and clamps as we speak
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I also stole his (highly questionable from a guitar care point of view) mini-dive by bending the neck forward.
:twisted: SNNAPP! :twisted:
Luckily that hasn't happened yet...
*touches wood*
(http://www.yakyak.org/images/smiles/finbarr-small.gif)
I'm preparing glue and clamps as we speak
:D
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i used to do the neck bend thing too, and i still do the body thump percussive thing, but i got both from Slash. but who knows,
I copied the forward neck-bend from Pat Travers, who mentioned it in an interview in Guitar Player magazine sometime in 1980. I never understood how he got away with it on those thin Melody Maker necks, and I saw him doing it pretty aggressively a couple of times live.
cjpm
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I also stole his (highly questionable from a guitar care point of view) mini-dive by bending the neck forward.
:twisted: SNNAPP! :twisted:
Luckily that hasn't happened yet...
*touches wood*
(http://www.yakyak.org/images/smiles/finbarr-small.gif)
I'm preparing glue and clamps as we speak
:D
I'm seeing how many quotes inside quotes i can put in one reply :D
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I also stole his (highly questionable from a guitar care point of view) mini-dive by bending the neck forward.
:twisted: SNNAPP! :twisted:
Luckily that hasn't happened yet...
*touches wood*
(http://www.yakyak.org/images/smiles/finbarr-small.gif)
I'm preparing glue and clamps as we speak
:D
I'm seeing how many quotes inside quotes i can put in one reply :D
i'm sure you haven't gotten far enough yet.
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I also stole his (highly questionable from a guitar care point of view) mini-dive by bending the neck forward.
:twisted: SNNAPP! :twisted:
Luckily that hasn't happened yet...
*touches wood*
(http://www.yakyak.org/images/smiles/finbarr-small.gif)
I'm preparing glue and clamps as we speak
:D
I'm seeing how many quotes inside quotes i can put in one reply :D
i'm sure you haven't gotten far enough yet.
Careful. I know one forum who tried that and after a while it opened a wormhole to an alternate universe... ;)
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I copied the forward neck-bend from Pat Travers, who mentioned it in an interview in Guitar Player magazine sometime in 1980. I never understood how he got away with it on those thin Melody Maker necks, and I saw him doing it pretty aggressively a couple of times live.
I've got a Melody Maker of about the same vintage (65) and the neck is actually pretty chunky. It tapers though, so at the nut it's quite shallow - I'd be scared the headstock would snap off. Maybe PT's did eventually, and that's why he ended up with the double-cut LP!
On thing's for sure, I'm not going to be putting mine to the test any time soon. :wink:
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I've got a Melody Maker of about the same vintage (65) and the neck is actually pretty chunky. It tapers though, so at the nut it's quite shallow - I'd be scared the headstock would snap off.
Mine's a 65 also, routed for twin humbuckers Travers-style. I agree with you that most of the neck is just fine, but that tapering around the nut/headstock is what I was referring to. You can definitely feel it give a little when you try the neck-bending thing. If ours ever break, we can band together and file a 2-person class-action lawsuit against PT for publicly endorsing neck abuse. :D
cjpm
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If ours ever break, we can band together and file a 2-person class-action lawsuit against PT for publicly endorsing neck abuse.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
That's cruel, I shouldn't think ol' Pat's exactly rolling in dough nowadays! :wink:
Did you rout yours yourself, or did you buy it that way? I considered PT-ing (or Joan Jett-ing) mine, but I couldn't bring myself to carve it up (which is one reason I don't usually buy vintage guitars). I ended up getting a rails-style humbucker hidden under a MM cover, from the Seymour Duncan custom shop.
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I bought it with the finish peeling off and with the bridge humbucker rout resembling something done with a salad fork. I sent it to a place called the Guitar Reranch for refinishing, then to a luthier in Baltimore named John Thurston (amazing work) to clean up the original rout and make a space for the neck humbucker. Not sure if the Reranch place is still is business, but I know they had a picture of the body & neck after they refinished it on their website for a while. If I ever get another one, I might do mini-humbuckers for a slightly different sound.
Oh, yeah, and in our class-action suit against PT we'll "settle" for replacing our Melody Makers with two of his originals (dibs on the red one from the Putting It Straight album cover!!!!!!!!!!!!) :lol:
cjpm
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I bought it with the finish peeling off and with the bridge humbucker rout resembling something done with a salad fork. I sent it to a place called the Guitar Reranch for refinishing, then to a luthier in Baltimore named John Thurston (amazing work) to clean up the original rout and make a space for the neck humbucker.
Picture please, sounds great!
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i used to do the neck bend thing too, and i still do the body thump percussive thing, but i got both from Slash. but who knows,
I copied the forward neck-bend from Pat Travers, who mentioned it in an interview in Guitar Player magazine sometime in 1980. I never understood how he got away with it on those thin Melody Maker necks, and I saw him doing it pretty aggressively a couple of times live.
cjpm
It's quite possible that Jake stole it from Pat Travers too.
Muttley
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there is a connection, you know.
Joe Holmes was a student of Randy Rhoads!
I have in depth Guitar World interview with him somewhere (it includes some actual RR lesson plans)
I also saw him with DLR about 15 Yrs ago. He was ok. (not as good as VAI or Becker)
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cjpmmd wrote:
I bought it with the finish peeling off and with the bridge humbucker rout resembling something done with a salad fork. I sent it to a place called the Guitar Reranch for refinishing, then to a luthier in Baltimore named John Thurston (amazing work) to clean up the original rout and make a space for the neck humbucker.
Picture please, sounds great!
OK, here's 2 pictures. Not sure if they'll come out clearly, but they are the best my intoxicated-on-a-Monday-night self could do with this damnable camera phone. The pickups are Gibson Tony Iommi humbuckers; the control layout is master tone and 2 volumes. Tuners are Schaller minis (I think), and the nut is an Earvana.
cjpm
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I really like the Earvana nut system.
We have been fitting them for a while now and are really pleased with how well they work.
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OK, here's 2 pictures. Not sure if they'll come out clearly, but they are the best my intoxicated-on-a-Monday-night self could do with this damnable camera phone. The pickups are Gibson Tony Iommi humbuckers; the control layout is master tone and 2 volumes. Tuners are Schaller minis (I think), and the nut is an Earvana.
Excellent! :D Thanks for the photos.
OK, my turn I guess! Mine is quite different, it hasn't had a refinish or any major structural alterations - but almost all the parts except the scratchplate are non-original (not that I'm bothered really).
At some point the three-on-a-strip plastic button tuners were replaced with individual metal ones. I don't usually like vintage-style tuners but these work really well so they're staying put:
(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p216/phillyq/melody01.jpg)
When I bought the guitar it had a Badass bridge like yours, but I replaced it with a Wilkinson, then the "aged" Pigtail it has now. As mentioned earlier, the pickup is a Duncan humbucker disguised as a Melody Maker single-coil (I still have the original one safe):
(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p216/phillyq/melody02.jpg)
It's a lovely little guitar, extremely light and resonant. It's nice to own one vintage guitar, but I'm glad it was cheap enough that I'm not afraid to touch it. :wink:
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Effing sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet, my friend!
cjpm
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I thank you! :D
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OMG Its Geezer! When did he play with the OZZ? I thought it was quite good actualy. Just wish ole' Ozzy could still sing.