Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Players => Topic started by: hunter on December 13, 2006, 09:11:53 PM
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Allright, I love them all 3 equally, really do, they are different beasts but
-all of them have 2 HBs
-two have BKPs
-all recorded with identical settings on a Tonelab.
I will resolve later, but want your ears to decide first, so please
1. Listen to all three
2. vote
I am really curious on the votes !!
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They all ruled, but when guitar 2 got boosted or whatever you did it really stood out to me.
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Gotta be guitar 2. The other two are two muffled and mushy, especially on the neck pickups.
I reckon guitar 2 is the Epi Les Paul with Black Dogs.
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EDIT: Wow, that's surprising!
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I would say guitar 2 is rebel yells too.
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:D It`s very difficult to tell, your playing lead lines which can be very deceptive. You should play rythm parts as it helps to distinguish the P/U`s more clearly.
For my money guitar 1 is loaded with OTHER brand pups.
2 & 3 sounded a lot clearer so my guess is there both the BK loaded guitars.
:D 8)
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Tricky, I was going to say #2 was RY but 3# is brighter so maybe that is? But it's also quite pagey so maybe thats the Black Dogs. Hmmm... I wouldn't go for #1 (I hope thats not a BKP clip :D )
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number 1 is not a BNP (I hope) the other 2 are BNPS and guitar 2 is the best tone! to my ears.
It would have been easier to play a simple 16 bar chord progression though as it's easier to listen to tone when playing slower, my brain prefers it.
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Guitar one is Not the bkp equiped one
guitar two is the rebell yells there?
guitar 3,Black dogs?!
i preffer the riffage and lickage of the guitar 1.
but the tone on guitar 2 and 3 are the best.
iŽll stay with the guitar 3.
q:P
JP
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Now here's the deal:
#1: Epiphone Les Paul with Black Dogs
#2: PRS SE Singlecut Stock Pickups
#3: MM Axis with RebelYells
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Maybe the Epi doesn't go so well with that kind of sound or it needs new strings ... but I'd have to say (and that won't change me being a huge BKP fan) the PRS korean stock pickups are damn fine.
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A real test would have been all the pickups in the same guitar. :)
That PRS does sound good. How about putting a RY in it and seeing how that goes?
edit: out of curisoiry, what was the Tonelab setting? Did you make it using one of those guitars or did you use a preset?
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Now here's the deal:
#1: Epiphone Les Paul with Black Dogs
#2: PRS SE Singlecut Stock Pickups
#3: MM Axis with RebelYells
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Maybe the Epi doesn't go so well with that kind of sound or it needs new strings ... but I'd have to say (and that won't change me being a huge BKP fan) the PRS korean stock pickups are damn fine.
Now THAT surprises me! How does the PRS sound through the Shiva? Too bright?
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No the opposite - it's rather dark compared to the BKP equipped guitars. I have to raise Treble and Presence quite a bit but then it sounds very balanced and full bodied and still cuts through. There's just the bit of complexity missing which you get with Tim's scatterwound PUs.
Tim recommended Holy Diver or VHIIs, but I'm not so much into high output PUs - on the other hand, I might put the Epi's BlackDogs in the PRS and put some HDs in the Epi ... for that silly grin (as Tim called it:)
Thing is that the substance of the guitar is very good. It's acoustically very loud and defined and it sings already without being plugged into an amp - I'm quite amazed. It wasn't a good deal (at 830 EUR) and the top is not the nicest one (not very well bookmatched) but I was so convinced of the sound of this one that I didn't care about the deal, just had to have it.
I had tested US PRSs (CE22/24 and McCarthy) before and was underwhelmed, always found them lacking edge and character - might be I prefer Korean/Chinese guitars after all hahahaha ...
I think the fact that the body is thinner might be advantageous for the resonance of the instrument ...
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Unfortunately this forum is for BKP pickups only due to the cost of bandwidth.
I'm afraid I have had to remove your non BKP clip as it would be unfair on others if I left it.
Ol.
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Unfortunately this forum is for BKP pickups only due to the cost of bandwidth.
I'm afraid I have had to remove your non BKP clip as it would be unfair on others if I left it.
Ol.
lol and not because it sounded the best? :roll:
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:D Hunter.
Did you have the wire changed in your Epi when you got the Dogs put in ?
Your right if you find a guitar that "Sings" when its unpluged it`s a keeper !
:D 8)
The only way to check wether its the P/U or guitar is to switch `em out & put `em in the PRS.
:D 8)
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Ha! This thread was fun! Definitely a good lesson. ;)
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Unfortunately this forum is for BKP pickups only due to the cost of bandwidth.
I'm afraid I have had to remove your non BKP clip as it would be unfair on others if I left it.
Ol.
lol and not because it sounded the best? :roll:
lol. everyone knows the rules... see the read me sticky if you don't!
Ol.
PS. I know you said that tongue in cheek! :)
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I've just given these clips another listen (with my GF, a fresh pair of ears is always insightful). I suspect that the PRS pickups, even if they are a bit dark as you you say, are quite high output. They certainly push much harder than the BKPs, and after the Black Dogs they are a big contrast in power.
The RYs are more a match in terms of power although their EQ is balanced differently.
If you listen to the RY clip before the PRS you find that the PRS pups lack the finesse, clarity and beauty that the RYs have.
It's these qualities that make BKPs so special, not just power monsters that sound flashy.
I'd also like to say that your playing on the PRS clip was amazing,:) :) :) I sure got excited listening to it, but I know I shouldn't confuse that with tone.
A guitar with pickups like that as stock would make anyone happy, me included. If you feel the need to change them though I think it could only be an even greater improvement. But pickups are just one part of the chain beginning with our fingers and ending with our ears.
Thank you for this lesson, I have learnt a lot
:D :D :D
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Those PRS pups sounded nice indeed! I'd keep them based on the clips.
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oh my- this poll must be pretty disheartening for the BKP gang.
Unfortunately i didnt stop by early enough to hear clip 2
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Now I feel bad, can we remove this thread ?
:oops:
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chances are the pups on the PRS aren't what makes it sound good at all, i used to have a PRS Tremonti SE (basically the same as the singlecut) and it sounded really good unplugged, but i found that the neck pickup mushed up a bit too much, even during solos, and there wasn't quite enough cut for me
slap some BKPs in it and see if it sounds EVEN better, if not, then you managed to find some fluke PRS pickups
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I guessed clips 1 & 3 were the BD and RY respectively. Seems I'm not completely tone-deaf after all. :o
Shame I never got to hear clip 2. The SEs are really good bang-for-buck guitars, although I wasn't too keen on the pickups in my H/S/S SE EG.
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Disheartening?Not at all.............do the test with only one guitar and you'll hear the difference between the pickups.Three guitars with three different sets of pickups isn't objective in the slightest.You're trying to compare 3 different timbers, 3 different constructions and 3 different sets of pickups. No contest I'm afraid.
Apologies for Ol removing the PRS clip but we decided on the forum rules along time ago-the bandwidth costs a small fortune to maintain too :cry:
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I agree with you totally Tim. The guitar makes a huge difference. I'd like to hear how it would sound with Mules in it!!!!
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This brings me back to the original thread - it was about the favourite GUITAR indeed, not pickup.
As I know myself I'll upgrade them to BKPs anyways within a few weeks :roll:
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I'm a little late on this, but I could tell guitar 3 has Rebel Yells before I read what's in what (of course I never got to hear clip 2). I happen to be aware hunter has black dogs and rebel yells and you can tell that clip 3 is the Rebel Yells because it is a little brighter and better defined sounding as well.
Even in Musicman as opposed to the Les Paul, the black dogs remain darker and the Rebel Yells brighter.
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:D The reason i asked about the electrics is that Epi`s are notorious for using cr@p electrics in there guitars. This will dramatically effect how the guitar sounds. When getting your pups installed its allways worth while having all the wires upgraded & pots to if you can afford it.
:D 8)
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Unfortunately this forum is for BKP pickups only due to the cost of bandwidth.
I'm afraid I have had to remove your non BKP clip as it would be unfair on others if I left it.
Ol.
lol and not because it sounded the best? :roll:
Yes, I must admit to being somewhat disappointed and cynical at that edit. Surely a bit of comparison/healthy competition is no danger is it ? Or is it ? BKP as a company have gone down in my estimation as a result . :?
FF.
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Unfortunately this forum is for BKP pickups only due to the cost of bandwidth.
I'm afraid I have had to remove your non BKP clip as it would be unfair on others if I left it.
Ol.
lol and not because it sounded the best? :roll:
Yes, I must admit to being somewhat disappointed and cynical at that edit. Surely a bit of comparison/healthy competition is no danger is it ? Or is it ? BKP as a company have gone down in my estimation as a result . :?
FF.
there is no rule about not posting non-BKP clips on the forum, provided they are hosted elsewhere. and the rule has always been there as long as i can remember
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there is no rule about not posting non-BKP clips on the forum, provided they are hosted elsewhere. and the rule has always been there as long as i can remember
Yes, I must admit to being somewhat disappointed and cynical at that edit. Surely a bit of comparison/healthy competition is no danger is it ? Or is it ? BKP as a company have gone down in my estimation as a result . Confused
Caffeine Junky, this is pretty much the case. We initially allowed any clips to be posted in the players forum. However this had to change when our bandwidth sky rocketed (it is now in the region of 50-60GB per month because of the MP3s) and something had to give due to the cost of the bandwidth. This decision was made in June 2005 thus the Players forum was then dedicated a showcase for our BKP users own clips.
It also states in the README thread that:
If you wish to share a non-BKP clip then please:
a) use another storage site (e.g. Yahoo! Briefcase)
b) post it in the Time Out forum
Hurley, As I'm sure you're well aware, contrary to popular belief, rules are not there to be broken. We can't bend them slightly for a couple of people on a couple of occasions otherwise everyone will want the same treatment. I hope that makes things clearer and that you can understand why we, in fact I in this case, made the decision to remove the clip.
Everyone, we have nothing against you reporting about and initiating comparisons between BKPs with other manufacturers; we have nothing to fear. Just use the Time Out forum and host the clips elsewhere.
Hope this clears things up a little (and puts us back in your good books Hurley! ;-))
Rgds
Ol.
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*giggles like a little girl*
well i preferd the sound of the EBMM with Rebel Yells anyway.. lol
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So, end of discussion, I ordered a set of VHIIs for the Singlecut now.
The stock pickups are good for that price range of guitar, but a bit muddy and boring, and actually the guitar is so good, it deserves much better.
Wood wise and from an acoustic tone point of view, this is the most promising guitar I have, and I'm sure it will kill the Epiphone, the Music Man, and the Gibson once the VHIIs will be installed.
I will re-post clips then 8)
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dude host the other clip on another site (soundclick or something) then put the link in your first post.... :lol:
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Good stuff Hunter, I can't wait for some VHII clips with the Shiva and crunch box!