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At The Back => The Dressing Room => Topic started by: WITH FULL DISTORTION on December 16, 2006, 02:51:20 PM
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HEJ guys,i just read on the newspaper today that hereīs a serial killer killing hookers in Suffolk-ENGLAND.
Do you think itīs the return of Jack, the stripper? or his deranged son just decided to keep his legacy alive?
iīm not a fan of serial killer histories or the likes.. i just want to know your opinion on this
$%&#ing Hails
any suspects?
JP
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Sadly I am going to have to lock this thread if it digresses into jokes and 'sick' (!) discussion because there is too much scope for it to offend readers.
I appreciate the original poster wanted more information so in response to the request more information can be found here:
http://news.google.co.uk/news?hl=en&ned=uk&ie=UTF-8&q=suffolk+murder&btnG=Search+News
if it stays clean and addresses the original posters questions, it will remain unlocked.
Apologies,
rgds
Ol.
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Don't think there's any evidence of a connection to Jack The Ripper, this guy will slip up eventually - seems like he's a compulsive type judging by the number of murders in such a short time period.
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Apparrently this has been linked to several other murders made some years ago?
If he got away last time it's very likely he'll be able to again.
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Let's not even think of joking about this one guys, please.
I hope they get some solid DNA evidence and put the $%&#er away pronto.
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One theory (that I happen to agree with) states that Jack the Ripper left England and came to the US. I doubt there is any real connexion here. I saw something similar about this on CNN yesterday, but CNN's 'reporting' is not exactly top notch; needless to say I didn't see anything I didn't already know.
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I think JP was referring to the unsolved "Jack the Stripper" killings in London in the early to mid 1960's. I suppose it is feasible but I reckon this is a "new" crescendo of a killer that has been at "work" for a while over a longer period. I think that with the lessons learned from the past, the police will hopefully catch him (or her!) live and can make sure they get the right person and then he can go to jail for 5 years or so.Maybe he can share a cell with some evil pensioner who hasn't paid council tax-oops sorry, getting controversial. I just hope they get him, get him fast and put him out of harms way for the rest of his life.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_the_Stripper
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And I thought Jack the Stripper was a hilarious spelling mistake :(
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^ me too.
I hope they catch him quick. most serial killers (from my limited knowledge on the subject (!)) seem to take their time and really plan- this guy (we assume!) has killed what, about 5 or 6 over the past 6 weeks or so?
and then that in turn puts extra pressure on the cops... and also, if the guy's smart, he realises that there is a large police presence, and he just stops for a while...
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I think JP was referring to the unsolved "Jack the Stripper" killings in London in the early to mid 1960's.
D'oh. Mea culpa.
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There are a lot of theories as to what is driving this killer to strike where he does- ranging from Christian fanatic cleaning up the town to an opportunist preying on vulnerable women.
It has also raised the issue of how drug dependency forces women into doing things to get money that they would not otherwise do.
The thing to remember that is these women are all somebody's daughter, sister or even mother.
I hope the police find him quickly
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There are a lot of theories as to what is driving this killer to strike where he does- ranging from Christian fanatic cleaning up the town to an opportunist preying on vulnerable women.
It has also raised the issue of how drug dependency forces women into doing things to get money that they would not otherwise do.
The thing to remember that is these women are all somebody's daughter, sister or even mother.
I hope the police find him quickly
agreed. :drink:
the other problem is, with the speed at which he is striking, the cops are under pressure- you kind of hope they don't get the wrong guy in their haste...
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It does look like this killer has got a similar MO as Jack the Ripper.
Latest news I read stated that he might have been caught on a surveilance camera.
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Jack the Ripper was called Ripper becuase he "ripped" his victims.I think this guy strangles them but as far as I am aware, leaves the bodies intact but naked.As Jonathan says, the victims are human beings and there seems to be a slight shift in public opinion from the "they are only prostitutes so don't worry" attitude to seeing them as someone's daughter and/or sister. Those couple of days waiting for the two most recent victims to be identified must have been torture for the women's families. Given that we cannot move in this country for security cameras hopefully they will be useful in helping the police to trace this person.
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:D Most serial killers start with prostitutes. There easy & are allways vulnerable because they agree to get into Cars/Carriages etc. One wonders how long it`ll be before the killer moves onto Non-Prostitutes, & that`s the worry at the moment. With DNA evidence becoming more previlant & easier to find i dont think the killer will get away with this for long.
The govenment tried a little experiment in Bournmouth [ i think it was ] Were they gave out free heroin to anybody who was willing to go through therapy etc. Crime levels dropped by a wopping 40% overnight & all of the addicts were able to get real normal jobs. The amount of money the local health authority was spending on addicts, amputation of dead limbs etc was truley frightning - its all due to the cr@p that the heroin is "cut" with- now non of the addicts need any real medical care thats any different from the rest of us.
I think this should now be "Run Out" over the entire country. It`ll be far far cheaper than how much we all have to pay now, & it`ll be better for our society. We can find out "Why" people are doing these drugs & then get them off of them.
:D 8)
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Jack the Ripper was called Ripper becuase he "ripped" his victims.I think this guy strangles them but as far as I am aware, leaves the bodies intact but naked.As Jonathan says, the victims are human beings and there seems to be a slight shift in public opinion from the "they are only prostitutes so don't worry" attitude to seeing them as someone's daughter and/or sister. Those couple of days waiting for the two most recent victims to be identified must have been torture for the women's families. Given that we cannot move in this country for security cameras hopefully they will be useful in helping the police to trace this person.
true. i think the whole "they're prostitutes so who cares" mentality is retarded.
:D Most serial killers start with prostitutes. There easy & are allways vulnerable because they agree to get into Cars/Carriages etc. One wonders how long it`ll be before the killer moves onto Non-Prostitutes, & that`s the worry at the moment. With DNA evidence becoming more previlant & easier to find i dont think the killer will get away with this for long.
The govenment tried a little experiment in Bournmouth [ i think it was ] Were they gave out free heroin to anybody who was willing to go through therapy etc. Crime levels dropped by a wopping 40% overnight & all of the addicts were able to get real normal jobs. The amount of money the local health authority was spending on addicts, amputation of dead limbs etc was truley frightning - its all due to the cr@p that the heroin is "cut" with- now non of the addicts need any real medical care thats any different from the rest of us.
I think this should now be "Run Out" over the entire country. It`ll be far far cheaper than how much we all have to pay now, & it`ll be better for our society. We can find out "Why" people are doing these drugs & then get them off of them.
:D 8)
yeah. "all drugs are bad so they should all be outlawed" is a simplistic view at best. I know the guys who think like this mean well, but it doesn't always work. if you're hooked on heroin, you'll try to find a way to get it whether it's legal or not (EDIT: not to mention a sizeable proportion of the population who think that once something is illegal, it's "cool"!). And as you say, some of the cr@p they beef up these drugs up with to improve profits are horrendous, stuff like warfarin (basically rat poison) and stuff. Disgusting what some people are willing to do to get more money.
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could be another 'Yorkshire Ripper' type situation...
the problem with this case is people coming forward.... if you paid for a prostitute, then she was murdered, would you REALLY want to come forward?? It could potentially destroy your life, depending on what happens with the case.
Maybe thats why this lowlife has picked his\her victims like this..
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^ that's a good point. not to mention will get you involved in a very high profile murder case. the cops are kind of wise to anyone who comes forward/finds the body as that's the oldest trick in the book, too, they almost assume that person is guilty.
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and its not just the cops - the media seem to be on this one like flies to shite - so we know everything the minute it happens. No one would come forward for fear of being caught on BBC or ITV etc. That and the murder is sitting back thinking, 'I know where the cops are, i'll stay away'. Some things should be out of the media spotlight, at least for a while.
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And as you say, some of the cr@p they beef up these drugs up with to improve profits are horrendous, stuff like warfarin (basically rat poison) and stuff. Disgusting what some people are willing to do to get more money.
I never understood this - why use rat poison? isn't that just killing off your market? why not just something non-toxic that looks like ur drug? better still, don't
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I never understood this - why use rat poison? isn't that just killing off your market? why not just something non-toxic that looks like ur drug? better still, don't
i have no idea, I'm guessing it's cheaper, and binds well to the rest of the drug... and there isn't enough in it to do you any harm. warfarin is a treatment for heart problems (low blood pressure? high blood pressure? fast heartbeat? some of those, i think), in lower doses.
also, I just read on AOL that the cops are refusing to confirm or deny that a senior police officer was a client of some of the prostitutes...
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:D Police have just arrested a 37yr old man in Felixstow as part of the investigation into the murders.
Read it here
http://www.bbc.co.uk/
:D 8)
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This is where I hate members of the public who feel they 'owe it to the public' to name and shame these people to the British media.
The man arrested yesterday was named by people living in the area. His address and place of work were named too. He hasn't even been charged for it. Now, if he did it, then may he burn in Hell for it. But if he didn't, and he was just someone who used prostitutes (a crime, but nothing like MURDER) then he'll be released without charge, but his life will be RUINED. He'll have to move. All the country will know his face. He'll live a life of misery. All because of our media system.
They've now arrested someone else. I think it's unlikely that two people committed these murders. So this might mean that one of them is innocent. Yet again, this individual has been named before being charged.
If these people actually commited the crime, then they should hang as far as I'm concerned. But if they didn't do it, their lives have been ruined.
We live in a f****d up country.
EDIT: It now appears he isn't being named yet (the second person). I could swear I saw a name when I first saw it on the news this morning but maybe I was wrong. Maybe they've been asked not to name him.
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^ agreed, apart from hanging (i don't believe in capital punishment).
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Agreed also Mr Sandwich however if the guy is innocent I suspect the very media that will hound him now will be clamouring to pay him huge wads for his story. To paraphrase what has been said, albeit about one paper in another thread, papers don't let thinking get in the way of a story. I wouldn't single out the D*ily M*il, -they are all self righteous hypocritical so called guardians of the nations morals.I used to read most of the common papers ( for work) and rarely read any. Buried in thee somewhere are some great journos but the public appetite for nonentity "celebs" has reduced the papers to what they are now. I had an acquaintance, many years ago, vilified by a paper (D*ily M*rror)with a story that was at best inaccurate but as he had died, there was no libel. Hopefully, id rthese men are guilty they will get what is coming to them. I have mixed feelings about capital punishment but being decended from a hangman, I would gladly "pull the lever" on child murderers.
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I would gladly "pull the lever" on child murderers.
As a parent I certainly agree with the sentiment but how would you feel if they were then found innocent? Which hangman are you decended from btw? I read Pierrepoints autobiography a while back, was pretty interesting!
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Yeah, getting the wrong person is why I have mixed feelings. My great great great Grandfather was James Berry.Famous for the botched hanging of John (Babbacombe) Lee and also a book setting out the recommended "drop".
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My great great great Grandfather was James Berry.Famous for the botched hanging of John (Babbacombe) Lee and also a book setting out the recommended "drop".
Is that the one where the guy's head came off? I believe he's mentioned in the Pierrepoint book but my memory is shot to buggery so can't remember what it said! :lol:
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No, it was the one where John Lee, convicted of a murder but protesting his inncocence, had his sentence commuted to life after there had been malfunctions during the execution.Three times there was a mechanical failure and it was deemed that it was inhuman to put him through it. I can't remember how it ended other than, I think, Lee was eventually released and went to live in the USA and died in old age. Fairport Convention made an album based around the story I think. From memory, the evidence was pretty shaky and Lee mainained he had nothing to do with the murder throughout his life-can't be sure about the last bit though. The head story is tue-it happened a few times when the drop was too much and I think that that is why Berry produced the book. I have a biuography of him somewhere in the house- required reading in my family.
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Now Babbacombe Lee is one of the great Fairport Convention albums, oops sorry wrong forum - forgot :P
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No, it was the one where John Lee, convicted of a murder but protesting his inncocence, had his sentence commuted to life after there had been malfunctions during the execution.Three times there was a mechanical failure and it was deemed that it was inhuman to put him through it.
After an experience like that i'd start gambling heavily! :lol:
Incidentally, the copy of the hangmans tale that I have was stolen by my mate from a prison library many moons ago... what a thing to have in prison! :lol:
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do you guys still hang criminals over in england?
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do you guys still hang criminals over in england?
Not officialy! :lol:
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do you guys still hang criminals over in england?
No - it seems like we hang the victims of their crimes whilst giving the criminals lots of money and an apology for infringing their human rights or upsetting their feelings
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And as you say, some of the cr@p they beef up these drugs up with to improve profits are horrendous, stuff like warfarin (basically rat poison) and stuff. Disgusting what some people are willing to do to get more money.
I never understood this - why use rat poison? isn't that just killing off your market? why not just something non-toxic that looks like ur drug? better still, don't
It's a bit like cigarettes....it's not the tobacco that is the worst thing for you. It is all the tar , benzine, arsenic, salt peta and other cr@p that is in there.
"Roll your own" cigarettes are a miilion times less harmful - ask Johnny Mac about this -he seems to know the " science bit"
Somebody take away my soapbox please..........
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It's a bit like cigarettes....it's not the tobacco that is the worst thing for you. It is all the tar , benzine, arsenic, salt peta and other cr@p that is in there.
"Roll your own" cigarettes are a miilion times less harmful - ask Johnny Mac about this -he seems to know the " science bit"
Somebody take away my soapbox please..........
*Yoinks away soapbox*
I've been told that about rolling backy before, roll ups really upset my chest whereas readymade fags don't. Go figure!
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No filter?
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do you guys still hang criminals over in england?
No - it seems like we hang the victims of their crimes whilst giving the criminals lots of money and an apology for infringing their human rights or upsetting their feelings
yeah well hanging isn't the only way of punishing criminals. i was asking if hanging was still considered humane in england, not whether you have a legal system or not.
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Well the answer is that we do not have capital punishment and have not done so since it was abolished in or around 1964. Law and order is a touchy subject here hence Jonathan's tounge in cheek answer which does, nevertheless, represent the views of a large proportion of the population.
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Yeah, capital punishment no longer goes on here. Unfortunately Johnathan does have a point. I remember a situation not too long ago where a burglar was caught in the act and scrambled onto the roof of a house and stayed up there. He said his human rights were being infringed because he was hungry and couldn't get food so they sent him up a KFC bucket and a bottle of Pepsi. Ridiculous.
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Yes - I do sound a bit like a Daily Mail reader there (UK tabloid newspaper with a slight right wing bias)
But I feel like the current punishment system does not deter criminals.
Teenage troublemakers who make peoples lives a misery might get an ASBO - a bit like a restraining order but seen as a badge of honour amongst teenage tearaways.
We recently had a situation where junkie prisoners who were forced to go "cold turkey" to detox sued the prison service and got paid heaps of money.
I think that the prison did these wasters a favour getting them off that shite, and maybe ultimately saved their lives longterm - even if it was a rather harsh way to detox.
Ok - I'm off to make my soapbox into a strat.......
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do you guys still hang criminals over in england?
No - it seems like we hang the victims of their crimes whilst giving the criminals lots of money and an apology for infringing their human rights or upsetting their feelings
Same here in Holland and maybe worse. I won't go into details but sometimes these things really upset me.
Crimanals in jail have a better life than senior citizens in retirement homes. :evil:
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I wouldn't single out the D*ily M*il, -they are all self righteous hypocritical so called guardians of the nations morals.
that's true... :drink:
It's a bit like cigarettes....it's not the tobacco that is the worst thing for you. It is all the tar , benzine, arsenic, salt peta and other cr@p that is in there.
"Roll your own" cigarettes are a miilion times less harmful - ask Johnny Mac about this -he seems to know the " science bit"
Somebody take away my soapbox please..........
I dunno, isn't nicotine pretty bad for you? i realise there's other guff in there, but the crux of the matter is that nicotine is addictive, so once you start on it you're near enough screwed...
Yes - I do sound a bit like a Daily Mail reader there (UK tabloid newspaper with a slight right wing bias)
But I feel like the current punishment system does not deter criminals.
Teenage troublemakers who make peoples lives a misery might get an ASBO - a bit like a restraining order but seen as a badge of honour amongst teenage tearaways.
We recently had a situation where junkie prisoners who were forced to go "cold turkey" to detox sued the prison service and got paid heaps of money.
I think that the prison did these wasters a favour getting them off that shitee, and maybe ultimately saved their lives longterm - even if it was a rather harsh way to detox.
Ok - I'm off to make my soapbox into a strat.......
slight right wing? compared to hitler, maybe... (i jest, i jest)
I dunno. the problem with deterrence is, there is no deterrent for some people. I know for a fact that if I were threatened with three weeks of prison, even for murder, I wouldn't do it (apart from moral reasons, assuming deterrence is the only reason not to do it).
Not to mention that most guys who commit a crime do so in the belief that they won't be caught.
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Yes - I do sound a bit like a Daily Mail reader there (UK tabloid newspaper with a slight right wing bias)
Slight right wing bias !!! "Choke Splutter Cough" !!!!! There the most racist right wing bunch of looneys........Slightly to the right of Attila The Hun !! maybe. LOL :lol:
Dont agree with capital punishment even though it pains me to say it. Agree about the youth crime or persistant low level youth crime issue. Have been effected by it myself so i no how bad it can get :roll:
The problem is that here in London we are so Dangerously overcrowded that everybodys living ontop of each other almost cheek to jowl, its a recipe for disaster & trouble.
As for crime in general imho we dont seem to be locking up violent & dangerous criminals but locking up people for not paying parking fines etc. The sad truth is prison is there to lock up the poor so to keep them from revolting against the rich & priverlaged. Violent criminals tend to kill the less well off so its ok for them to be released onto the streets.......Bloody crazy isn`t it.
Gets down off soap box & hands it over to Johnathon & mr 38th :P
:D 8)
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^ yeah, that's what I don't like. At the risk of sounding like a daily mail reader (;)) it does seem like a lot of the laws are enforced against decent people, as the powers that be know that they'll pay the fine, or whatever. More difficult people, they tend not to bother with, as it's more bother than it's worth. Introducing targets for the cops doesn't help with this either.
as I always say, the laws are there in the hope that 85-90% of the population will go by them, whether they're enforced or not. Whereas if the laws weren't there, no-one would go by them.
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At least in the UK they get their picture and full name in the paper.
Overhere only the victim's name and picture are fully revealed.
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^ i think it's a bit daft the way they're allowed to release the name here before they've been found guilty, though.
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Well the answer is that we do not have capital punishment and have not done so since it was abolished in or around 1964. Law and order is a touchy subject here hence Jonathan's tounge in cheek answer which does, nevertheless, represent the views of a large proportion of the population.
ahh. i thought his sarcasm was in reference to me, not the legal system. Sarcasm is a tricky thing over the internet you know.
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Well the answer is that we do not have capital punishment and have not done so since it was abolished in or around 1964. Law and order is a touchy subject here hence Jonathan's tounge in cheek answer which does, nevertheless, represent the views of a large proportion of the population.
ahh. i thought his sarcasm was in reference to me, not the legal system. Sarcasm is a tricky thing over the internet you know.
Certainly not directing any sarcasm towards yourself....
Just fed up with the legal system in this country where the bad guys have more rights than the innocent victims of crime.
Every day I start to sound more like my Dad - don't know if that is a good thing or not.
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Older the wiser Jonathan :lol:
Even when the criminal is 'punished', the punishment is too lenient and too soft.
Example,
A complete dick head at my previous school 'happy slapped' a guy round the head at a train station about a year ago. He broke the guys jaw and knocked him over the side of the steps leading to the bridge. The guy then hit his head on the rail tracks as he hit the floor which would of given him brain damage or even have killed him. Then a high speed train went straight over him and killed him instantly.
The prat who done it only got a three year sentence for manslaughter, but it looks like he may even be out sooner than that.
I knew him before this happened and I've come close to kicking ten tonnes of shite out of him myself, after he kept harrasing my ex-girlfriends little sister and he had picked on my brother.
That's just one example of the disgusting things that have happened in this town alone.
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Older the wiser Jonathan :lol:
Even when the criminal is 'punished', the punishment is too lenient and too soft.
Example,
A complete dick head at my previous school 'happy slapped' a guy round the head at a train station about a year ago. He broke the guys jaw and knocked him over the side of the steps leading to the bridge. The guy then hit his head on the rail tracks as he hit the floor which would of given him brain damage or even have killed him. Then a high speed train went straight over him and killed him instantly.
The prat who done it only got a three year sentence for manslaughter, but it looks like he may even be out sooner than that.
I knew him before this happened and I've come close to kicking ten tonnes of shitee out of him myself, after he kept harrasing my ex-girlfriends little sister and he had picked on my brother.
That's just one example of the disgusting things that have happened in this town alone.
that's terrible.
they just let terrorists out over here, it's awesome.
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You lot are all sounding like true Daily Mail readers.
My take is the criminal justice system is getting ridiculous - a 11 year had a police reprimand (on his permanent record) for defending his brother in a playground fight, a man got an ASBO for serially complaining at his Tesco store and TB's goverment has legislated in over 1000 new crimes. Further, the criminal justice system, in the name of the 'victim's rights' has got rid of safeguards that protected people from judicial abuse for hundreds of years.
Yet no one remembers that the police set up Colin Stagg, the Birmingham 6, the Guildford 4, the Tottenham 3, the first people tried for Damiola Taylor's murder and shot dead Jean Charles de Menezes.
Further no one seems to feel safer - if anything they feel more insecure.
I do agree that there is a problem with sentencing - convicted criminals of multiple crimes tend to serve there sentences concurrent (i.e. each at the same time) rather than consecutively (i.e. one after another) - so there is no real incentive for crims to stop as they just serve a sentence that is approximately the same no matter what.
As to the Suffolk Strangler - we know pretty much everything about these suspects - where they live, where they work, who they are - if they are innocent they are going to suffer just because the police arrested them for questioning. I think that innocence until proven guilty is a fine concept and that the media should respect it with privacy.
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I do actually agree with you Elliot
My gripe is really with teenagers who believe that they are untouchable
And sadly they may be right......
I was injured earlier this month whilst travelling by bus because a kid threw a weighted traffic cone through the bus window causing it to shatter and shower me with glass -
why ???
Because the driver told him that his pass had expired and made him pay a fare.
I recieved cuts to my hands etc but wjhat recourse did I have?
none!
And if i jumped off the bus and gave the teenager a thump - I would be in the wrong - and probably get arrested
or more likely get stabbed by his mates who were with him
If I detained him and called the police - Nothing! - although I could get charged by the police and then sued by the teenager for infringing his rights.
And then the teenagers could track ME down and make my life hell - whilst the law would do sweet FA about them....
It stinks!
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As to the Suffolk Strangler - we know pretty much everything about these suspects - where they live, where they work, who they are - if they are innocent they are going to suffer just because the police arrested them for questioning. I think that innocence until proven guilty is a fine concept and that the media should respect it with privacy.
The crazy thing about this is that the press are telling us so much about the suspects that it might actually prejudice the case - it'll be considered impossible for the jury to be unbiased and the judge could throw the case out of court. :roll:
Some interesting points on this thread. Personally I think far too much time is spent going on about "cushy prison sentences" and "rights of criminals vs. rights of victims". What happened to "tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"? They're blowing so much hot air about the former it hides the fact they're doing absolutely nothing about the latter. If more effort was put into crime prevention there'd be fewer victims to worry about. And I'm not talking about police-state horseshite like ID cards and holding suspects for 90 days without charge.
Look at the two examples above of crimes committed by schoolkids - if they're behaving like that at 15 it's too late for them. Lock them up as long as you like, they'll still be $%&#ign ((c) JP) psychos when they get out. And arguments about deterrents are irrelevant. No-one thinks they're going to be caught.
At the risk of sounding totally Daily Mail, I blame the parents. There are countless thousands of people who apparently think they have no duty whatsoever to bring their kids up responsibly. These kids are truly scary because they not only have no manners, no sense of right and wrong, but no sense of proportion - a petty argument isn't settled by a scuffle, it ends in someone getting stabbed or kicked to death. Of course there were people like that in every generation, but it's a minority that's getting bigger all the time and I really fear the rest of us aren't tough enough to cope with it.
Ironic that these little $%&#ers always talk about "disrespeck" when they have no respect for anyone or anything.
That's my soapbox exercised.
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:D The reason there not tough on the cause of crime is it`ll cost a fortune as the rich & privaliged will have to start paying there way & giving up some of there wealth. The rich pay the bills of the political partys so............
YOU DONT BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS YOU.
Ian Duncan Smiths report into the social collapse & state of Britain is the most important work under taken in the last 40 years. I`m no Conservative by any strech of the imagination but Smith deserves an awfull lot of credit for the outstanding work he has done. His findings are totally acurate & unbiased. Allthough the reporting of his findings have been anything but unbiased. The conclusion makes bleak reading, but its clear that even the Labour party now accepts its been a complete failure as a govenment.
Its also the biggest reason that the majority of us dont vote & hold politicians in such contempt.
:D 8)
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There is a lot here about Daily Mail readers which I find to be a rather facile thing to say(sorry guys).For non UK readers, the Daily Mail is considered a right wing extremist newspaper and certainly it is a traditional Conservative supporting paper but I think this trivialises things.I do not think there is a "right wing" or , for that matter "left wing" thing going on anymore because there is a kind of vacuum where the main parties will adopt any philosophy that they think will get them elected givebn that there is a disillusioned electorate sleepwalking into dictatorship. The Daily Mirror is traditionally Labour supporting newspaper but no-one seems to slag it off.-it is, therefore, seemingly perfectly OK to be left wing. A minor point I would like to make is that a "right wing" fanatic was responsible for a great deal of persecution and murder in the 20th century. His efforts, however ( and if I have to spell it out, I am talking of Hitler) are dwarfed by a "left wing" butcher (Stalin). So maybe we should lose the labels eh ? We have all drifted from topic a tad ( me included).I would just hope that the murders stop and whoever is responsible is brought to "justice" whatever that is.
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Point taken, 38th, but I don't think we're really talking "right wing" and "left wing". What the Daily Mail does epitomise is a sort of "not in my back yard", "string 'em up", "bring back the birch" quick-fix mentality, and that's always been the case, whatever the right-or-left political climate. And yes, the same could be said of other papers like the Sun and the Daily Express (a "newspaper" which somehow manages to make the death of Princess Diana the front-page story at least once every week). Does the paper's editorial stance accurately reflect the views of its readers? Perhaps not.
Its also the biggest reason that the majority of us dont vote & hold politicians in such contempt.
I know what you mean. I always vote, because I think it's important that we exercise our democratic right to do so (and doesn't that sound like a well-worn load of old cobblers... ).
But more and more I wonder what's the point, it really seems to make no difference who's in power :( . We're becoming ever more like the USA - the top 10% controls 85% of the wealth, and no government is brave enough to upset them.
Tony Blair doesn't need to care about an NHS creaking at the seams, an education system focused on artificial performance tables, the pensions crisis, people having to work until they drop, the ever-widening gap between rich and poor, the collapsing transport system, neighbourhoods torn apart by crime, religious and ethnic tensions. He'll spend the rest of his life making millions from books and lectures, flying round the world in Rupert Murdoch's private jet. He'll be long gone before global warning destroys the planet. But does he have to make it so obvious he doesn't give a toss?
Sorry, I know that's still off topic but this isn't "Just A Minute".
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There is a lot here about Daily Mail readers which I find to be a rather facile thing to say(sorry guys).For non UK readers, the Daily Mail is considered a right wing extremist newspaper and certainly it is a traditional Conservative supporting paper but I think this trivialises things.I do not think there is a "right wing" or , for that matter "left wing" thing going on anymore because there is a kind of vacuum where the main parties will adopt any philosophy that they think will get them elected givebn that there is a disillusioned electorate sleepwalking into dictatorship. The Daily Mirror is traditionally Labour supporting newspaper but no-one seems to slag it off.-it is, therefore, seemingly perfectly OK to be left wing. A minor point I would like to make is that a "right wing" fanatic was responsible for a great deal of persecution and murder in the 20th century. His efforts, however ( and if I have to spell it out, I am talking of Hitler) are dwarfed by a "left wing" butcher (Stalin). So maybe we should lose the labels eh ? We have all drifted from topic a tad ( me included).I would just hope that the murders stop and whoever is responsible is brought to "justice" whatever that is.
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Lets hope the police have the right man behind bars and that the media dont jeopardise the case either.
I think much of our joint comments here highlight that we all feel contempt for those that behave badly and that society seems to be helpless and that the way the police service measures it targets and achievements/success does little or nothing to protect society at large.
There does also seem to be a political vacuum where there should be determined politicians eager to see things put right - and a sense of apathy towards the political process as a result.
For the record my own politics are slightly rightr of centre liberal.
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hate to poop the party, but back on topic, the police have charged a man with the murders
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/6202691.stm
thank god
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:D Phily Q beat me to it !
When i talk about Daily Mail i don't mean it in reference to either Right wing or Left wing. Your Right 38th about the mirror or the sun but lets be fare here neither of `em are Newspapers. Gossip trash rags maybe but there`s no news in either of them. I used to buy The Mirror only for the football gossip but gave it up after a month as all the gossip was utter rubbish.
Whats interesting about this thread is that most of us "oldens" have had very different life experiences. We`ve come from different backgrounds & yet we all seem to be in agreement that the state of play in politics is truly awful. Bad governments decade after decade have utterly & contempt ably failed us all. My personnal views can be quite extreme but this is due to my sense of fairness & justice. I believe that a good wage coupled with a cheap & affordable cost of living will lead to a more stable society & in that we all have a stake. But as Philly Q said it would mean politicians actually running the country for the benefit of the majority & not the small select privileged few.
:D 8)
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There is a lot here about Daily Mail readers which I find to be a rather facile thing to say(sorry guys).For non UK readers, the Daily Mail is considered a right wing extremist newspaper and certainly it is a traditional Conservative supporting paper but I think this trivialises things.I do not think there is a "right wing" or , for that matter "left wing" thing going on anymore because there is a kind of vacuum where the main parties will adopt any philosophy that they think will get them elected givebn that there is a disillusioned electorate sleepwalking into dictatorship. The Daily Mirror is traditionally Labour supporting newspaper but no-one seems to slag it off.-it is, therefore, seemingly perfectly OK to be left wing. A minor point I would like to make is that a "right wing" fanatic was responsible for a great deal of persecution and murder in the 20th century. His efforts, however ( and if I have to spell it out, I am talking of Hitler) are dwarfed by a "left wing" butcher (Stalin). So maybe we should lose the labels eh ? We have all drifted from topic a tad ( me included).I would just hope that the murders stop and whoever is responsible is brought to "justice" whatever that is.
i was under the impression that the daily mirror was so cr@p it didn't even need to be slagged off... ;)
agreed about the switching allegiances to get elected. blair basically became a tory to get elected, and now cameron is trying to become an honorary labour politician to get elected. it's great when your (prospective) leaders are such principled folks, isn't it?
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It looks like some good has come out of all this drama.
I read today that the 'British public' is seeing prostitutes as human beings again.
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Depends on where you read it Ratty, some of us never stopped seeing them as human.If you read it in a newspaper, particularly a British one, then see points above. I do hope that they (the police) get it right and that the right man is charged convicted and imprisoned. the police are great for the big cases but are totally useless for everyday crime.
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agreed about the switching allegiances to get elected. blair basically became a tory to get elected, and now cameron is trying to become an honorary labour politician to get elected. it's great when your (prospective) leaders are such principled folks, isn't it?
This is essentialy my problem with politicians nowadays. They will say anything to get into power, it is no longer about having any kind of political beliefs it is more about either obtaining power to feed the ego or getting themselves in a position to take advantage of the "consultant" etc. type posts offered to them by major corporations with huge salaries once their political lives have ended. Once in power they will then come out with policies solely to appease the general concensus of the population who are severely misinformed by a press owned and influenced by only a couple of people. The average person in this country has no clue as to what is actually neccesary to make everything work, in a "true" democracy it would completely implode within days!
With regards to what Jonathon was saying about the heroin users and prison situation. The problem wasn't so much about being made to come off heroin per se, it was actually about the fact that they were undergoing medical treatment for their addictions which was then withheld from them whilst they were in prison. This is both unethical and illegal, they also actually only got tiny sums of compensation for this, the overall figure was shouted about a lot but was actually shared by hundreds of people.
Just my two pennorth! :)
*Soapbox collapses under strain of supporting 18 stone for too long*
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It looks like some good has come out of all this drama.
I read today that the 'British public' is seeing prostitutes as human beings again.
people were paying animals for sex?
or have i misunderstood?
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I read it in a Dutch newspaper. It seemed that prior to this Ipswich thing no-one seemed to care about prostitutes' well being and safety.
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It's a bit like cigarettes....it's not the tobacco that is the worst thing for you. It is all the tar , benzine, arsenic, salt peta and other cr@p that is in there.
"Roll your own" cigarettes are a miilion times less harmful - ask Johnny Mac about this -he seems to know the " science bit"
Somebody take away my soapbox please..........
*Yoinks away soapbox*
I've been told that about rolling backy before, roll ups really upset my chest whereas readymade fags don't. Go figure!
Use swan filter tips. Tailor made cigs have over 500 chemicals added to them to make them more addictive and stay alight.
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I read it in a Dutch newspaper. It seemed that prior to this Ipswich thing no-one seemed to care about prostitutes' well being and safety.
Ah I see the sopabox is doing the rounds, well here's my bit!
Well it's a sad thing ratty but this country is full of people who care about no one but themselves let alone the poor souls who are reduced to sell themselves on the streets. Some care but not enough. If more of an effort was put into stopping the tide of heroin arriving here then these girls wouldn't have to do this sort of thing or teenagers committing crimes to pay for their habits. There are areas near where i live where dealers openly sell the stuff in their shops! There is a lot of violence that is generated by the gangs who sell this filth too. Our police who to their credit are doing all they can to get control back but are tied up with red tape and PC nonsense so the problem just gets worse. Where I grew up which wasn't that bad, is now anarchic for want of a better term for it as dealers know they can get away with it.
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Our countries aren't that different from eachother, I guess. :(
Luckily there's still good people around.