Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: Crazy_Joe on January 05, 2007, 04:49:40 PM
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It is measured at 21.6K, looks very nice. One question, with warpigs there are 2 rows of screws so it doesn't matter which way they go up right?
Installation was easy apart from getting the wire through the hole to where the pots were, it just kept coiling up and not going through, but then i taped it to a guitar string which guided it round.
Havn't had a chance to crank my amp up yet so through the low volume they are sounding pretty much the same, but that was kind of expected.
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Ceramic pigs shipped with a set of 9s? What is the world coming to?
It probably doesn't make a massive difference which way round the pickup is but it's supposed to be with the wires coming out of the side closest to the floor as you play.
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Yeah that is right then. Though the stock pickup was facing the sky when i took it out...
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Different companies probably make them different ways, I just remember hearing that's how BKPs are supposed to be.
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It looks excellent :D , glad you still have the all-gold look on the guitar.
The big question is, did you remove the strings to fit the pickup?
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Yes, then restringed it with those Framus ones, which was a big mistake because now they are 9's which means snappy snap snap snap!
I'm a bit worried about the pig though because i am getting no pinch harmonics from it, on the stock before i couldn't get any so i thought it was the laney being shite at harmonics, but i can always get them on the neck, and for some reason the middle position is now a screaming monster, it's like that is the warpig and not the bridge, but it has to be right because it is the right way up, and it is definatley soldered all right.
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Strange. Is the middle position actually louder than the bridge pickup, or is it brighter, or both?
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I still reckon the guitars original wiring might be wrong, sounds like the middle toggle position is bridge instead of both pickups on together.. You say its less bassy than the bridge position aswell, I always find my middle position to be bassier than bridge by itself.
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Strange. Is the middle position actually louder than the bridge pickup, or is it brighter, or both?
It is a lot brighter than the bridge, but the harmonics are huge!
I have to say it has more a warpig sound to it, though the bridge position has a lot more bass.
Also when the volume is rolled back the bridge is a lot cleaner than the middle. I'm getting a feeling that the Warpig is in the middle position...
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Strange. Is the middle position actually louder than the bridge pickup, or is it brighter, or both?
It is a lot brighter than the bridge, but the harmonics are huge!
I have to say it has more a warpig sound to it, though the bridge position has a lot more bass.
Hence why I think theres something wrong in the wiring!
What you're describing is exactly what I get when I switch to the middle setting on my LP - more bass due to the neck pickup being used. When I switch to the bridge setting its brighter, more bite and easier to get harmonics.. I'd get it looked at or totally rewire the guitar if you feel up to it.
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One way of checking is to set you pickup selector to the bridge position while your guitar is plugged in and tap something like a coin against the screws on both pickups and if both pickups produce sound through your amp then it's wired wrong.
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One way of checking is to set you pickup selector to the bridge position while your guitar is plugged in and tap something like a coin against the screws on both pickups and if both pickups produce sound through your amp then it's wired wrong.
Or pass a ringing tuning fork over both pickups on each selector position (about 1"-1½" above the strings) to see which pickup is picking-up...
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One way of checking is to set you pickup selector to the bridge position while your guitar is plugged in and tap something like a coin against the screws on both pickups and if both pickups produce sound through your amp then it's wired wrong.
None of the positions make any sound when that happens, i did it with a pound coin.
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Try a screwdriver or a piece of metal that is magnetic. I think that the metal needs to be attracted to magnets (i.e. steel not aluminium), but if you're uncomforable using a screwdriver then a small bit of steel or something. I usually use whats in my hand when I'm working on a guitar (usually a screw driver).
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What about a whammy bar?
I used that and nothing happened. Usually earphones work too but it didn't work either...
I also tried screws which are magnetic because they stuck to it, i tried the end of a usb thingy, a guitar lead and another jack thingy, none of them made a sound.
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Sounds like your Warpig is faulty and is of no further use.
Send it to me and I will dispose it for you :twisted:
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I'm not sure if it is right, just tried a screwdriver and this is what i got
Bridge: Neck pickup makes noise
Middle: Both
Neck: Pig makes noise
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edit- read your post wrong, I think the switch is just backwards
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I'm not sure if it is right, just tried a screwdriver and this is what i got
Bridge: Neck pickup makes noise
Middle: Both
Neck: Pig makes noise.
I know this sounds like a stupid question, so my apologies, but was the guitar working OK before you swapped the pickup? It sounds like the switch is upside down (no big deal, I think that's how EVH liked his Peaveys wired).
You should only have had to un-solder then re-solder 2 connections to the bridge volume pot, there's no way that should have affected the function of the selector switch.
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So what exactly do i have to solder?
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Well, by the sound of it, nothing. :?
Just to confirm, to install the pickup (it's 2-conductor, right?) you should have had to do 4 things:
1. Un-solder the old pickup's hot wire from the left-hand tag of the bridge pickup volume pot.
2. Un-solder the ground connection from the back of the same pot.
3. Solder the braided part of the BKP's cable to the back of the pot.
4. Solder the BKP's hot wire to the pot's left hand tag.
If you disconnected or connected anything else, then something's wrong.
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That is exactly what i did.
So why do i have a mutant super human middle position which sounds suspiciously more warpig than my bridge position.
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That is exactly what i did.
That's what it sounded like you did.
So why do i have a mutant super human middle position which sounds suspiciously more warpig than my bridge position.
No idea! :? :wink: Unless it's some strange consequence of the fact that in the middle position you have a super-powerful ceramic pickup combined with a vintage-output (I assume) alnico pickup. It's possible the pickups are out of phase, but that would normally produce a bright-but-hollow sound, not something huge.
It's not really possible to wire a 3-way toggle switch to select the bridge pickup in the middle position, or vice versa. The switch doesn't work that way. And you can't have accidentally shorted a coil of the WP, because it's only 2-conductor.
Maybe the bottom line is that the Ceramic Warpig just doesn't sound the way you expected. Either that, or it's faulty.
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I think i need it looked at by a professional, to see if everything is right.
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Tim maybe?
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the WP should have plenty of bass and output - something isn't right here. have you checked the wiring against a wiring diagram?
here's a diagram to check it against... http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/schematics/2h_2v_1t_3w.html
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Me and _Tom_ have decided Tokai are gay and have put my switch backwards, it is pretty clear what has happened, because everything i think is right is the opposite on Tom's. So my perception of a bridge humbucker and a neck humbucker have been completely reversed.
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So my perception of a bridge humbucker and a neck humbucker have been completely reversed.
You mean when you listen to the bridge pickup you think you're listening to the neck pickup? Does that mean the CWP is OK after all?
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That is the most beautiful thing I have ever seen... Can't wait to get mine!!! :]
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Yeah the Warpig is amazingly huge!
I always thought a bridge humbucker sounded like a neck and a neck like a bridge. Well done Tokai!
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That explains the discussion the other day about pinch harmonics on the neck pickup! :lol:
Well now that's sorted, you could always take the scratchplate off and swap round the two outside wires on the switch.
But I guess you're used to it now.
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STOP WHINING!
GEEZ!!! a couple of screws and half a minute of work to turn the switch around and you bitch and moan like a 3 year old!
now go play! rip some heads off.
i want a ceramic warpig now =/
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Mwahahhaha it sounds so awesome! It's liked a souped up Miracle Man!
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Just don't go breaking a string
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Well with 9's on it could be coming soon.
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Yeah the Warpig is amazingly huge!
I always thought a bridge humbucker sounded like a neck and a neck like a bridge. Well done Tokai!
So THATS why you wanted a neck pickup for tapping and harmonics :D
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hey crazy_joe, that explains why i was confused about the sound clips you recorded.
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Haha yeah!
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What I want to know about those soundclips is how did the same pickup with all the same settings sound so much bigger the second time round? Especially with lighter strings... The second part of the clip did remind me a lot of my pigs...
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Yeah, it might have been recorded a little bit louder, but it was definatley the same settings.