Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: Supern00b on January 06, 2007, 07:18:25 PM
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Hey all, im from the Us and im new to this forum.
I was just wondering if the rebel yell bridge pup would be good for my standard strat. I run it through a budda wah, a multi fx processor, and a mesa boogie dual rectifier.
I am assuming that the majority of the forum-ers here are from the UK, so i am asking any responder who has ever heard of a christian group called hillsong london. if these pups could mimic that sort of sound through my rect, that would be great. thanks in advance.
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anyone?
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Welcome, I am sure that someone will be along to offer a view-I cannot help regarding h/b pickups -my Strats have single coil pups. Some guys here have h/bs in their Strats_ I am just back from a gig so I am a little tired.
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I have not heard of Hillsong London but I found some sound clips by googling the name.
I think what you want is a Crawler. They are very full sounding and clean for their output and seem to sound great in strats too.
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I have not heard of Hillsong London but I found some sound clips by googling the name.
I think what you want is a Crawler. They are very full sounding and clean for their output and seem to sound great in strats too.
hmm thanks, but i was leaning towards the rebel yells..
also, another british band called delirious.
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Rebel Yell and Alder strat might be too bright. For strats I guess Mule, Blackdog, Crawler, Abraxas might be good choices?
What is the output of the remaining single coils?
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hey man I know exactly the group you are talking about. Their sound is much more dependent on two things, a slightly overdriven amp and tons of delay. That being said, I would go for a lower output pickup that is pretty decent in the mids/bass department that is pretty open harmonically speaking. I dont know the line well enough to say which is which, but the RY are defintely too high output for what you are looking for and may end up too brighty in your strat.
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Just agreeing with what's been said really, I think the RYs were voiced for a Les Paul and could be too bright in a Strat. The RY sounds bright (but excellent!) in my The Paul which doesn't even have a maple top.
I have an alder, hardtail Double Fat Strat which currently has the stock Duncan 59 and Pearly Gates Plus, and they're painfully bright (at least to my ears, but I'm used to mahogany set-neck guitars). I'm thinking Crawlers for mine, but as Hunter said the warmer-sounding pickups like Abraxai (plural of Abraxas, thanks Carlaz! :wink: ) Black Dogs, VHIIs or Mules could do the trick.
That being said, I would go for a lower output pickup that is pretty decent in the mids/bass department that is pretty open harmonically speaking.
Apart from the output, that sounds very much like a VHII, based on what I've read.
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I think Stuart Garrard (delirious) uses stock pickups in his 79 Strat, which has 3 single coils, and his Les Paul is stock as well I think. So if your after a Delirious sound go with an upgrade of standard pups I guess, ie: Mules for humbuckers (Les Paul) or Apache's say for the Strat single coils? Not sure what humbucker I would stick in a HSS strat though - personally, mines loaded with 3 Single Apaches and it sounds great. Very versatile and can nail classic Strat tones and rock it out when desired.
Can't comment on Hillsongs London... a bit to much God rock in one day is a bit much for me. A lot of Christian Pop/Rock guitarists seem to try and rip off The Edge from U2 in anycase IMHO.
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Interstingly, Tim recommended the Rebel Yell and 2 mother's milks for my strat project. The guitar is alder with a rosewood neck. I also have RY's in my PRS standard (all mahogany), and they sound excellent there. I can't tell you about the strat sound because it will be a few months until it is ready.
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yea, i was thinkin alder may be too bright with the RY...but i am lookin for the best sounding one.
but TIM HIMSELF RECOMMENDED THE RY, so idk who to trust
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If Tim recommended the RYs I'd go with 'em. He was never wrong with recommendations ... for me at least that is (3 pairs of BKPs)
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ok, because i plan to get the single coils elsewhere. should i get the non calib set to save money? how would my tone change?
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but TIM HIMSELF RECOMMENDED THE RY, so idk who to trust
Fair enough! :wink:
ok, because i plan to get the single coils elsewhere. should i get the non calib set to save money? how would my tone change?
Not sure what you mean - aren't you just buying one pickup? :?
The RY bridge is the RY bridge, whether you buy it on its own or in a calibrated set.
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then wats the point of getting a calibrated set?
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Because the neck and bridge pickups are different - they're wound for their respective positions. The neck pickup is less powerful than the bridge, because the neck position is inherently louder. And sometimes they use different magnets - e.g the Cold Sweat bridge is Ceramic but the CS neck is Alnico V.
To put it another way, there are "Neck" and "Bridge" versions of each pickup, and they can be bought separately or as a set. The RY bridge is the same as the bridge pup in a calibrated RY set and the RY neck is the same as the neck pup in a calibrated RY set.
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very well put.
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ok it just clicked.
the price increase from the regulars to the calibrated set was the word "set"
2 pups. i didnt know that.
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the price increase from the regulars to the calibrated set was the word "set"
2 pups. i didnt know that.
It's those little words that count! I must admit, looking at the Products page and the BKP Shop, it doesn't actually make it abundantly clear what a "set" is. Especially when ordering a set, you specify the details as if it's just one pickup.
Sorry if my earlier post sounded patronising.
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forgiven and forgotten, partially because idk what patronising means and im too lazy to look it up
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RY or crawler? check sig for gear
also, do you all think that i can get a thick sound outta my alder bodied strat with the above pups?
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RY or crawler? check sig for gear
also, do you all think that i can get a thick sound outta my alder bodied strat with the above pups?
Sorry, of the pickups mentioned I only have the RY and that's not in a Strat, so I can't offer a first-hand opinion. It'll definitely be bright-sounding in a Strat, though.
I do know that the Crawler was specifically designed to work equally well in a Les Paul or a Strat, and I also know that quite a few guys on the forum are full of praise for VHIIs in Strats. So I don't think you'd go far wrong with either of those, or with the all-rounder, the Mule.
Then again, if Tim recommended the RY...
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RY or crawler? check sig for gear
also, do you all think that i can get a thick sound outta my alder bodied strat with the above pups?
Sorry, of the pickups mentioned I only have the RY and that's not in a Strat, so I can't offer a first-hand opinion. It'll definitely be bright-sounding in a Strat, though.
I do know that the Crawler was specifically designed to work equally well in a Les Paul or a Strat, and I also know that quite a few guys on the forum are full of praise for VHIIs in Strats. So I don't think you'd go far wrong with either of those, or with the all-rounder, the Mule.
Then again, if Tim recommended the RY...
hmm, so then what can the RY and the crawler do that the mule can't?
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Well, the Mule is basically like a late 50s Gibson PAF. PAFs weren't all the same, some had more windings than others, they used different types of Alnico magnets, DC resistance varied between 7 and 9K - but the Mule is around 8K, and about as near as you can get to a "typical" vintage humbucker tone.
The Crawler also has a PAF-like tone, but it has significantly higher output so it'll overdrive an amp more easily - but won't clean up quite as well. The Rebel Yell is similar in output to the Crawler, but it's brighter and tighter, with more emphasis on the upper midrange.
For maximum versatility the Mule is, by all accounts, the perfect choice. It'll do clean, it'll do dirty. It'll do pop, blues, indie, rock, even a bit of metal. If you want more of a classic rock/70s hard rock sound, go for the Crawler. If you want a rock sound with a brighter, more modern edge, go Rebel Yell. That's about all I can tell you really.
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Well, the Mule is basically like a late 50s Gibson PAF. PAFs weren't all the same, some had more windings than others, they used different types of Alnico magnets, DC resistance varied between 7 and 9K - but the Mule is around 8K, and about as near as you can get to a "typical" vintage humbucker tone.
The Crawler also has a PAF-like tone, but it has significantly higher output so it'll overdrive an amp more easily - but won't clean up quite as well. The Rebel Yell is similar in output to the Crawler, but it's brighter and tighter, with more emphasis on the upper midrange.
For maximum versatility the Mule is, by all accounts, the perfect choice. It'll do clean, it'll do dirty. It'll do pop, blues, indie, rock, even a bit of metal. If you want more of a classic rock/70s hard rock sound, go for the Crawler. If you want a rock sound with a brighter, more modern edge, go Rebel Yell. That's about all I can tell you really.
thanks. wat does clean up mean?
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I mean it's more difficult to get a good clean sound with the higher output pickups, because they'll overdrive an amp even on low settings. A lower output pickup, on the other hand, will give you clean when you want clean.