Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Crazy_Joe on January 14, 2007, 10:12:21 PM
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Changed the thread really, looking at Dean Caddy 1980, Dean Hardtail Select Vibrato and Dean Vendetta 4 (perhaps with floyd).
They all look awesome though i can't play them as nobody near me stocks them, only the hardtail, and playing just one of them would bias the decision.
I'm also open to other suggestions around that price range, was looking at lower priced Prestige Ibanez guitars not so long ago.
I don't really know what i am looking for, but if you know my tastes which a lot do then you should be able to find something that suits my needs.
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are they the same price? if so - blatantly the '80. It's crying out for rebel yells!
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Nah the cheapest i found the 1980 was £499 though i found the Select for £319.99!
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I really like Dean Cadillacs myself :)
A friend of mine has a korean made Cadillac in Silverburst with gold hardware and it looks awesome and plays really well :)
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And by the way........................
There's a great looking Red Quuilt top Dean Cadillac on Ebay that you've given me GAS for you git :lol: :roll: :D
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I love Cadillacs. Like Mockinbirds they're kindof that perfect halfway between a traditional guitar and a full on pointy.
I'd get a 1980 or a Black Gold. See what Singing Chicken will offer you, if they were going to do you a Black Gold Z for £399 I imagine they'd do a Caddy for the same, and the 1980 may even be cheaper.
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Yeah i mailed him yesterday, should get a reply soon.
The 1980 looks so classy though!
Edit: he replied:
Hi Joe
I can offer the Cadicallac X for £165.45, the Cadillac Select for £301.84 and the Cadicall Black and gold for £399.34. These prices include postage.
To order please give me a call on 01672 564 643
Best regards
Andrew
Musical Instrument Megastore Ltd
Tel 01672 564 643
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Why do they remind me of Adrian Smith in the Maiden early days????
Nice looking guitars though - very KISS too!
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I am more familiar with the great thrash band Testament using them :twisted:
The 1980 looks exactly like Eric Peterson's from Testament except his has 3 white pickups.
And i just like that Dean build great guitars. Though the only place i can find the 1980 is at Dolphin music.
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The 1980 Cadillac is very classy looking, and available with 3 pickups (it always reminds me of Steve Stevens), but the Black Gold is also very sweet. I do know that the Black Gold V,Z and ML are better than the 79 V,Z and ML, so I'd assume that the same is true of the Cadillacs, although I have heard very good things about the 1980 as well.
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I don't like the looks of the Black Gold series, too much gold if you ask me and i have also grown to hate the colour!
I'm pretty sure the 1980 is for me, just need to find it somewhere for a better price.
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The 1980 has exactly the same amount of gold :? :? :?
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A better lit photo makes it clearer
http://www.deanguitars.com/dean_winter_06/cadillac_1980_3pu.htm
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I want the 2 pickup version not the 3 pickup, that looks cr@p!
And the Black Gold has gold volume and tone knobs whereas the 1980 gets it just right with the different ones.
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Why do they remind me of Adrian Smith in the Maiden early days????
Nice looking guitars though - very KISS too!
Iremember Bruce Dickenson using on on the Piece of Mind and Powerslave tours
But also I I would say more Def Leppard
See video clip below - so funny!!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NhXPE4rMzEE
As for Kiss - no way !!
BC Rich / Gibson/ Ibanez / Charvel & Jackson (and later Stanley played Washburn and Silvertone)
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You're missing the point, the only difference between the 3 pickup and the 2 pickup is the extra pickup, just the photo for the 3 is better lit. The 2 pickup 1980 DOES have gold knobs, they just don't show up very well in the photo.
As you've changed the thread title (AGAIN!!!!!) the Vendetta 4.0 is a great shred and metal guitar for a seriously small amount of money, just needs new pickups. The new Vendetta 4F looks sweet in trans black with a black Floyd and Dimarzios, but I've not seen a UK price for it yet.
The Hardtail Select is a staggeringly well made guitar for peanuts. It just oozes quality and plays really nicely. The neck is somewhat full and vintage, but if you're currently playing an explorer that shouldn't be a problem, the pickups are OK, you can get a good punky bark from the bridge and a nice bluesy honk from the neck, but it should really come alive with a set of Rebel Yells.
Anyway, Dean have announced that they will be unveiling 40, yes FORTY new models at Winter Namm this weekend, so check out the webcasts on their site.
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Cool, i'll see what they have to offer. And no the 1980 does not have gold volume and tone knobs, can't remember the name for them but they are see thru gold kinda colour with the numbers 1-10 on them.
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lol well surely see-thru gold is still a form of gold.... :? :lol:
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They're called speed knobs, and they're what are shown on the Black Golds on the Dean site. Only the ML at Machinehead has those solid gold knobs, which is kinda strange. Anyway, speed knobs cost, like, £6 a set, and are piss easy to fit :roll:
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You guys are giving me GAS. :twisted:
The neck is somewhat full and vintage
Does that apply to Deans generally, or just the HardTail Select? I'm afraid I don't know much about them, and their site isn't the most informative.
I really like the look of the Black Gold V.
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http://www.themusicfarm.com/pics/cadi1980merge1.jpg
most definitely gold.
and yer +1 on what Philly said.... i love 'full/vintage' necks as you put it...
and the deans look really nice.
my mate just picked up a Baby V for £75 off ebay and for the price it plays and sounds amazingly well... really made me think about getting one in the future.
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Hhm, and the Cadillac at Dolphin, curious. However, Dolphin have the Black Gold Cadillac up for £599!!! This means that £499 for the 1980 is a REALLY bad deal. If you bought the Black Gold from Singingchicken you'd save £100 of the price of the 1980 at Dolphin on a guitar that they've got listed at £100 more!!!! With the money you save you could buy some speed knobs and a BKP!
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Of the Import Deans the Hardtails have palm filling necks, the others, (as far as I'm aware) have quite fast necks. For example, the EVO Special has a really surprising neck for a single cut (and really good upper fret access too), and the Vendettas are into Ibanez territory.
The USA Deans have the much vaunted Dean V profile, which gives good tone and is comfortable for rhythm work, while allowing you to get your hand around for fast runs and big stretches, a good compromise for players who want a vintage feel but need modern technique.
Joe, reading your revised original post, if you like a full neck you'll hate Ibanez.
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I tried a wizard before and i really liked it, though at other times i also like a fat neck. Ibanez are good, i nearl bought one over my Explorer.
And the black gold looks cr@p in my opinion.
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You'd still make a saving if you bought a 1980 from the states and shipped it over at that price though. Anyway, you're again missing the point, which was what I said originally, if you buy the 1980 from Dolphin, you're paying too much. It's £100 more than Singingchicken are charging for a Black Gold, which is a better guitar. It doesn't add up, and would be a bad decision.
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How do you know that the black gold is better?!
It looks worse, and is probably made with the same wood in the same factory.
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The general consensus is that the Black Golds are better made than the 1979s and 1980s. They are effectively the top of their lines for the MIK Deans, same as the 4.0 and Select ranges for the other guitars. Their general fit is better, their necks have a certain something and the pickups are better. The reason may simply be because they're made in smaller runs than the 79s (which they make thousands of) so the attention to detail is better (although the pickups must simply just be better). Also they're not the same woods, the black gold has a maple top, and also there's mahogany and there's mahogany, so the fact that they both say mahogany doesn't really mean anything. Think of it another way, the Cadillac Select is made in the same factory as the 1980, also have a bound body, also have a mahogany neck and body AND have a carved maple top, but are MUCH cheaper than the 1980, so there must be something else to it, as on paper the 1980 would be much cheaper to make all other things being equal.
Anyway, YOU may think that the Black Gold looks bad, but in fact most guitarists think that trans black is cooler than cool,and that gold hardware offsets black really well, and if you're looking at getting one chances are (like me) you already have a couple of solid black gutars anyway.
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Anyway, for what it's worth my next electric purchase will almost certainly be a Vendetta 4.0 in Tiger Eye
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Yeah Vendetta in Tiger Eye would be so awesome that's what i would get if i was getting one, which i still might...
By the way how do you think a Washburn WI66 would fair up against one of these Dean's?
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Check this out
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-DEAN-VENDETTA-4-0-BLACK-w-FLOYD-ROSE-TREMOLO-GUITAR_W0QQitemZ200067783397QQcmdZViewItem
Using a currency converter i found out it is only about £364 including postage!!
However the auction ends in 3 days and i don't have the money till the end of the month, hopefully he will put it up again.
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don't forget, add 21% and shipping, so you're still looking at £500+
The Washburn is a very nice guitar, just different, but you are paying for it. For that money you could get a Dean EVO Special Select and fit it with BKs and locking Grovers and a locking Tune-a-matic, so while yes it's a better appointed guitar, the price difference reflects this. Also, at £500-£550 you're getting into very serious guitar territory, and the Washburn doesn't necessarily hold up to other guitars in this range. I'd recommend the WI65 without hesitation,it's a good guitar for a good price, but the 66 is batting with the big boys.
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I said the price includes shipping, i'm not making my mind up yet, i'm looking around mostly the main things i'm looking at are:
Prestige Ibanez
Dean Vendetta 4 w/Floyd
Tokai LP MIJ
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Missed that (it's late). For £425 that's a killer deal, I would most definitely take it if I were you. Check out some cool pics on this thread (scroll down towards the bottom
http://www.deanguitars.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=29358
I'd probably take the Tokai over the Washburn though
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The Washburn is already eliminated (didn't last very long :lol: )
I'm waiting to see what everyone reveals at NAMM today.
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http://www.deanguitars.com/dean_winter_07/ (plus most people are betting they will announce a Dave Mustaine V tomorrow)
www.espguitars.com
http://www.jacksonguitars.com/products/search.php?section=guitars&pg=1
Gibson have unsurprisingly announced some new Les Pauls and SGs, the others haven't really updated to this year's line ups on their sites yet
(oh, and Daisy rock have some new models :lol: )
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(oh, and Daisy rock have some new models :lol: )
Hey those daisy rocks are nice guitars, providing theyre not pink, my daughters bass is fecking excellent.
Rob...
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(oh, and Daisy rock have some new models :lol: )
Hey those daisy rocks are nice guitars, providing theyre not pink, my daughters bass is fecking excellent.
Rob...
They're schecters at the end of the day, and yeah, they're great.
And what's wrong with pink?!
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I like the Razorback V's, though i think they might be a bit poor quality (korean ones) and will appeal to the nu metal kids more than true metalheads, and to be honest i'm more into what Ibanez have just released at NAMM.
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http://www.deanguitars.com/dean_winter_07/
holy sh!t!!!!!
look at all those new razorbacks! including a 7 string!!! ahhh! thats really cool!
oh cr@p, theyre releasing cheap budget razorbacks.... everyone will have them!! ahhhh!
btw CrazyJoe, my Japanese Razorback is awesome, and i don't really see the point in the USA made ones. if you drop a japanese 1, ur fine (i wouldn't be tho), but if you drop a USA one, ur $%&#ed.
but seriously, the japanese/korean/whatever are actually GREAT quality. mine is well constructed, plays well, sound ok (silly dimebucker!) and looks KILLER!!
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I like the hardtail Munky 7 string, apart from that it's all pretty samey really (unless you want an 8 string), a new JEM and a new/old 550? wow :roll:
Fender's new John 5 tele is a bit whacked, but for the most extremely unexpected guitar of the show, check out the Mojo on this Parker Mojo :o
http://www.armleg.com/funkymunkymusic/viewtopic.php?t=18&mforum=funkymunkymusic
I like the Razorback V's, though i think they might be a bit poor quality (korean ones) and will appeal to the nu metal kids more than true metalheads
That's what I love about you Joe, never afraid to make an extreme statement :lol:
They will most obviously appeal to Pantera and Trivium fans, and then the BC Rich sorta crowd. Not really a nu metal kind of guitar. The quality can't be that bad as they've got Seymours or EMGs and decent Floyds, and pretty much everyone is satisfied with their import razorbacks.
Bloodmountain, hate to break it to you man, but your guitar is Chinese.
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dude, i don't care if it is Chinese or Antarctican, its still a good guitar, and i never cared about where it was made, so :shock:
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True, my wife's got a Chinese made Ibanez acoustic, and it's great.
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Hmm, looks like quite a few pythons died for the sake of this year's NAMM show. Hope it was natural causes. :evil:
I should think both Gibson and Dean have their lawyers inspecting those Washburn Paul Stanley models.
There are some fine-looking 2007 Deans!! I love that Schenker Flame V, but it undoubtedly costs an arm and a leg. The USA Korina V, on the other hand, is veeeerrry interesting...
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The Floyd's are licensed Floyds, i would rather get a proper Edge Pro tremolo, you never get original floyds on guitars unless they are usa made.
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um, an edge pro is a modded licensed floyd, it's just they've made a name for it. The Ping Floyd on the razorbacks is reliable and stays in tune.
I can't think of ANY guitar under £1500 that has an OFR, so it's pretty meaningless saying the quality must be poor because it's got a licensed floyd.
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ben- i agree with you that the quality isnt necessarily bad if its a licensed trem...
but there definitely are guitars under £1500 with OFR's... quite a few in fact...
just off the top of my head this is one for example:
http://www.guitars.co.uk/acatalog/KH__Kirk_Hammet__Series.html
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That's why I usually try to avoid absolute statements :oops: Now that you've said it I can think of a few too.
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:lol: its Joe... hes having a bad influence on you... :lol:
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I am not looking for an average korean line guitar, i want something that sounds good and that is made well, like a prestige ibanez. And most (not all!) of the guitars with those licensed floyds generally do not wow anyone if you know what i mean.
Edge Pro is completely different tremolo to the licensed floyds, it is made for ibanez guitars. It is used by professionals and is reknown for being a worthy opponent to the OFR, some even say it's better, so i don't know what point you are trying to make there because if you asked someone to choose either a LFR or an Edge Pro then we know which one would win.
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not strictly true young Joseph...
what about Schaller? Kahler? they're licensed trems if im not wrong?
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Kahler is a different design. Many pros use Schaller and Takeuchi Floyds, but anyway, most pros use what they're paid to use regardless of whether or not they think it's any good.
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woops about kahlers then :oops:
but yer precisely.
point is- it doesnt have to be an edge or an OFR to be any good.
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some even say it's better
Most notably Ibanez's marketing dept. While there are a couple of minor structural advantages to the edge, in terms of tone and cinstruction the OFR kicks it's ass every time.
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It's nice to see Joe's being his usual consistent self, he starts a thread asking about £300-£400 guitars, and then starts going on about how he's looking to get a £600-£800 guitar :roll:
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ahhh the wonders of joe :D :lol: :)
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ahhh the wonders of joe :D :lol: :)
Sam : Pot kettle calling black the, rearrange into a proular phrase :)
Your right actually,
The edge indeed is based on the Floyd, it's just been developed by Ibanez into a recognised item name in it's own right. Ibanez have also produced some let us say not so successful variations of the floyd bridge too, but because it says Edge in it theyre still purchased.
The more interesting Ibanez bridge is the ZR on the S Series, though it definately feels different to the Floyd based ones. it's real nice though I don't know if Ibanez bought the design in or not.
The issue with liscensed floyds is, down to the build and material quality of each mfgr. Certainly the Schaller units are good enough for mortals like us.
Look at the company Wilkinson, they do inexpensive and reasionable quality guitar hardware (for the most part), yet boutique makers proudly proclaim that they use Wilkinson hardware.
You pay £2K for a guitar with the same bridge (& tuners) as a £300 quid guitar, how does that work. Simple it's not the name it's a reliable design and decent materials.
Don't critisise it because it's not an OFR, critisise the makers of poor quality versions.
Rob..
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My LFR is fine... smooth, easy divebombs... its great! i'm going to get some new strings soon so i'll see if it handles a restring well... instead of falling apart :)
one problem i've encountered with it is that the stock arm is slightly too small for the hole, but i'm going to replace that :D
my point is, the LFR is absolutely fine and does it's job well: don't judge a guitar by it's trem!
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Ok you can get some licensed floyds that are good, but on razorbacks they have to be good because that was dimebag's primary tool for guitar destruction (if that makes any sense).
But the rest of the guitar is going to be different. Does anyone know where those Razorback V's are made? If it is Japanese i will think about it, but i have seen some real nice ibanez guitars which will take a lot to beat.
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what happened to the cadillacs?!??! :lol:
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Joe, all of the current Vs are made in the USA, but as you have seen, they are bringing out not just more USA razorback Vs, but a few Korean/Chinese made Vs too.
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Yeah which one is the chinese one? I see there are 3 new non usa razorback v's, i'm guessing that standard is korean but what about the two tone and other one?
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dude, i have no idea.
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I think the two tone and the 255 or 225 whatever it's called are chinese because they have proper seymours and proper emgs in them.
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The two-tone, 255 and standard are all made in China. As for their quality? They're set neck mahogany guitars with branded pickups and the Dean V neck profile. In the last 3 reviews I found for Chinese built Deans, Guitarist gave the Razorback 4 out of 5 for build quality and playability, and 4.5 out of 5 for sound. Total Guitar gave the Razorback and the Dime-o-Flame ML their 5 star best buy awards, so I'd imagine they hold their own with Japanese Ibanez (the last Prestige review I found in TG was 4 stars).
China is rapidly dominating the world in all areas of manufacturing, as they have massive capacity, so they can turn out high quality items at very low cost. Ibanez even makes their Steve Vai signature acoustics in China :o
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You can't go by Total Guitar's standards, they are like the beginners magazine and will choose looks over playability any day, i can't see a chinese Dean beating a prestige ibanez, especially with those wizard necks!
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That is because you are yet young, Padawan, and easily distracted by giving things impressive names :wink: