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Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Crazy_Joe on January 19, 2007, 08:44:15 PM

Title: Jackson finally get it right!!
Post by: Crazy_Joe on January 19, 2007, 08:44:15 PM
With their new guitar in the pro series the RR24 Rhoads. I have heard many a metalhead complain of no RR with 24 frets without paying loads, but also it is neck thru with an ebony board and one emg81 pickup!

Sounds nice, can't wait for the pics of it.
Title: Jackson finally get it right!!
Post by: Dakine on January 19, 2007, 09:37:51 PM
I think Randy (whom it was made for, orig. of course) may not be so impressed. Maybe Fender/Jackson had a conflict of taste.
Title: Jackson finally get it right!!
Post by: Davey on January 19, 2007, 09:48:14 PM
i already have a white limited edition one on order!
Title: Jackson finally get it right!!
Post by: TwilightOdyssey on January 19, 2007, 10:42:22 PM
Off the shelf guitars suck.
Title: Jackson finally get it right!!
Post by: Word Bearer on January 19, 2007, 10:43:49 PM
I find it amusing that it's simply a copy of ESP's Alexi Lahio sig, which was a copy of a Jackson in the first place.
Title: Jackson finally get it right!!
Post by: Crazy_Joe on January 19, 2007, 11:12:22 PM
Quote from: TwilightOdyssey
Off the shelf guitars suck.


That has to be one of the most stupidest posts i have ever seen on a forum.
Title: Jackson finally get it right!!
Post by: Kilby on January 19, 2007, 11:14:10 PM
Quote from: Crazy_Joe
Quote from: TwilightOdyssey
Off the shelf guitars suck.


That has to be one of the most stupidest posts i have ever seen on a forum.


I dunno about that, you manage pretty on your own.
Title: Jackson finally get it right!!
Post by: maliciousteve on January 19, 2007, 11:14:20 PM
The black with red bevels RR24 is the one I want. I've always wanted one, but i'd change the EMG to bareknuckle.
Title: Jackson finally get it right!!
Post by: Dakine on January 19, 2007, 11:15:12 PM
Quote from: Crazy_Joe
Quote from: TwilightOdyssey
Off the shelf guitars suck.


That has to be one of the most stupidest posts i have ever seen on a forum.


Is stupidest even a word?  :roll: esp. in this context
Title: Jackson finally get it right!!
Post by: Crazy_Joe on January 19, 2007, 11:37:16 PM
I was thinking about that, but then i thought i don't care because that statement is so untrue.
Title: Jackson finally get it right!!
Post by: Crazy_Joe on January 19, 2007, 11:45:58 PM
Quote from: Davey
i already have a white limited edition one on order!


How much?
Title: Jackson finally get it right!!
Post by: maliciousteve on January 19, 2007, 11:53:25 PM
It's about time Jackson done this. There has been so much demand for a 24 fret Rhoads over the years i'm surprised they didn't release one much sooner. I guess they would be silly not to now what with the ESP Laiho
Title: Jackson finally get it right!!
Post by: Philly Q on January 20, 2007, 12:10:14 AM
Quote from: TwilightOdyssey
Off the shelf guitars suck.

That's a pretty sweeping statement.   :?   I guess Leo Fender had it all wrong.
Title: Jackson finally get it right!!
Post by: Kilby on January 20, 2007, 12:14:18 AM
Slight deviation of topic regarding the RR models,

Iv'e always wondered what the access like to the top most frets as the body is angling away from the neck ?

I don't normally like very pointy or Sig models, but even I found this one attractive in a strange way http://www.fullersguitar.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=16&products_id=191 theres some jacksons on the site that even I appreciate.

Further off topic:

Joe: The low end peavey Wolfgang is an excellent little guitar, but I have never come across one where the frets where properly finished (have played 8 or 9 of them). The necks are excellent (especially for the money) and asymetrical. Theyre way better than the OLP range, just spend a little money on getting the fretwork tidied and the edges of the fingerboard rounded a little.

anyway End of diversion.
Title: Jackson finally get it right!!
Post by: TwilightOdyssey on January 20, 2007, 04:20:10 AM
It was a joke, people. Lighten up!
Or should I just write "LOL" "J/K" or PDT_008 so people will know when I'm being sarcastic?!
Title: Jackson finally get it right!!
Post by: TwilightOdyssey on January 20, 2007, 04:23:17 AM
Quote from: Dakine
Is stupidest even a word?  :roll: esp. in this context

Yes it is; even "stupider" is an actual word, which I find strange ...
but 'most stupidest' is just ... stupid!
Title: Jackson finally get it right!!
Post by: TwilightOdyssey on January 20, 2007, 04:25:26 AM
Quote from: Crazy_Joe
Quote from: TwilightOdyssey
Off the shelf guitars suck.


That has to be one of the most stupidest posts i have ever seen on a forum.

That has to be one of the most grammatically incorret posts I have ever seen on a forum. So, there! PDT_008
Title: Jackson finally get it right!!
Post by: Philly Q on January 20, 2007, 09:44:48 AM
Quote from: TwilightOdyssey
It was a joke, people. Lighten up!
Or should I just write "LOL" "J/K" or PDT_008 so people will know when I'm being sarcastic?!

That's the problem with text, it doesn't convey tone of voice.

If it had been a greenhorn making that original comment rather than the Ancient Of Metal, we'd probably be having a full-scale war on here.  Like if someone mentioned Dragonforce or something.

And that's with a  :wink: .
Title: Jackson finally get it right!!
Post by: Dakine on January 20, 2007, 01:27:50 PM
Quote from: TwilightOdyssey
Quote from: Dakine
Is stupidest even a word?  :roll: esp. in this context

Yes it is; even "stupider" is an actual word, which I find strange ...
but 'most stupidest' is just ... stupid!


A word maybe but grammaticaly correct no. 'Most Stupid' yes, but 'most stupider',no. However, late hours and innocence may be a factor. Alcohol (at that age) should not be an excuse  :lol:
Title: Jackson finally get it right!!
Post by: Davey on January 20, 2007, 01:51:54 PM
Quote from: Crazy_Joe
Quote from: TwilightOdyssey
Off the shelf guitars suck.


That has to be one of the most stupidest posts i have ever seen on a forum.


it's pretty much true though.  :P




though, if i like the neck, this might also be a guitar that i will never sell... with the fusion project going slowly forward, i might mod the RR too... i already know what pickup i'll put in it.


no idea how much it will cost me yet lol.
but i'm guessing somewhere near 1300€ shipped.

if any of you remember, i had something like this on order already (though some diferent features) but it didnt work out.
Title: Jackson finally get it right!!
Post by: Crazy_Joe on January 20, 2007, 08:14:27 PM
Damn that's more expensive than i thought it would be.
Title: Jackson finally get it right!!
Post by: Davey on January 20, 2007, 08:42:07 PM
Quote from: Crazy_Joe
Damn that's more expensive than i thought it would be.


man, it IS a neck through, ebony board, real OFR, EMG81... quality stuff on it. the one i'm buying has (at least headstock) binding. i didnt think it would be in the 500€ range.
Title: Jackson finally get it right!!
Post by: Crazy_Joe on January 20, 2007, 08:46:04 PM
It's an OFR?!

Ahh i thought it was licensed, that changes it slightly.
Title: Jackson finally get it right!!
Post by: Davey on January 20, 2007, 08:58:47 PM
no, everything is top notch parts.
Title: Jackson finally get it right!!
Post by: chrisola on January 21, 2007, 02:05:00 AM
Quote
Or should I just write "LOL" "J/K" or PDT_008 so people will know when I'm being sarcastic?!


:arrow:

Internet Forum For Beginners Lesson #53562

Problem:
Quote
That's the problem with text, it doesn't convey tone of voice.



Answer: Thats what smileys and emoticons are meant to be used for :idea:

one would expect a modern day ancient of metal to know this, or maybe he likes stirring the pot (forged from TRUE METAL no doubt) ;)
Title: Jackson finally get it right!!
Post by: Sifu Ben on January 21, 2007, 10:22:14 AM
2 issues, Edwards does a version of this which is pretty reasonable, and TO has a point in a roundabout way. Production guitars almost always involve a degree of compromise for a player. Between the neck profile, neck heel, fingerboard, cutaway,woods,finish, pickups, control layout, bridge, elctronics and even the jack position (WHY do Ibanez insist on a front mounted jack socket on it's S series guitars? It absolutely ruins them), there's probably something you won't like. Inevitably you have to make a decision about what matters to you more, but for the prices involved it can be a bit galling that you're having to make a compromise.
Title: Jackson finally get it right!!
Post by: FELINEGUITARS on January 21, 2007, 02:22:26 PM
I kind of agree with TO over off the shelf guitars

One of the biggest problems I find is that the trems are mounted often in the wrong place.
The mounting posts are often about 5mm too far forwards.
This means that the trem saddles having to be moved too far back to get the intonation right.
As a result if you pull up on the trem the strings are lowered too much and hit the frets way too soon rather than letting you raise the pitch of the notes much.
For dive bombing it is the opposite problem- the strings and action get raised too much making it hard to fret anything whilst dipping the string pitch

Think of it like a see-saw- the closer to the pivot point (fulcrum) you are the less you go up and down

I try on the guitars that I make to get it in the right place so that with a set of 9-42s fitted the saddles are in the forward position. Heavier strings and lowered tunings make you move the intonation point back so it's always best to start with the saddles forward with 9s (and who uses gauge 8s anymore?)

I will maybe try to bring one of mine with this configuration to the London Guitar Show if anyone wants to check it out
Title: Jackson finally get it right!!
Post by: Dakine on January 21, 2007, 09:12:12 PM
Ya know, would'nt it be a bloody marvelous world if we could all have our very own bespoke made guitars. When we got bored or fancied somthing else we could afford another one, just like that, woopee :)

What a loada cr@p!

I lose count of the musicians who are A.VERY VERY Famous and B.Who founded their careers on, 'off the shelf' guitars (many of which are now worth almost as much as their personal bank balance).

Sure, who would argue that a well made custom guitar is not the best option, but not all could afford it or would want to.   :roll:

Many people change styles, tastes etc. or just want a change. Unless a very well known luthier has made the guitar (and even then it's still someone elses custom) it's worth little. Think of a Saville Row Bespoke Suit. Where would that end up if no longer desired/needed by the original purchaser? A charity shop.

I can find clips right this very minute recorded on a stock $99 squire strat and a $150 sears silvertone amp that are way and beyond excellent.

Being Elite is in the mind, being great is in the ears of the listener.  :wink:
Title: Jackson finally get it right!!
Post by: Ratrod on January 22, 2007, 11:13:34 AM
I recently got this 'off the shelf' guitar. The build quality is near perfect. It came with the follwing features: Sperzel locking tuners, Schaller straplocks, CTS/Switschcraft electronics, all top quality hardware and 'boo-teek' pickups.

So there are exceptions. Really, this guitar is hard to improve.
Title: Jackson finally get it right!!
Post by: Philly Q on January 22, 2007, 12:02:22 PM
Is that your Power Jet Ratty, or have you got something else to show us? (oo-er... )
Title: Jackson finally get it right!!
Post by: hunter on January 22, 2007, 03:17:29 PM
Quote from: Philly Q

If it had been a greenhorn making that original comment rather than the Ancient Of Metal, we'd probably be having a full-scale war on here.  


Would that be a 25.5" war?
Title: Jackson finally get it right!!
Post by: Davey on January 22, 2007, 03:38:39 PM
some people take stuff too literal.
Title: Jackson finally get it right!!
Post by: TwilightOdyssey on January 22, 2007, 04:40:08 PM
Quote from: hunter
Quote from: Philly Q

If it had been a greenhorn making that original comment rather than the Ancient Of Metal, we'd probably be having a full-scale war on here.  


Would that be a 25.5" war?

Quote of the day, hands down!!!
Title: Jackson finally get it right!!
Post by: Philly Q on January 22, 2007, 04:56:10 PM
Quote from: TwilightOdyssey
Quote from: hunter
Quote from: Philly Q

If it had been a greenhorn making that original comment rather than the Ancient Of Metal, we'd probably be having a full-scale war on here.  


Would that be a 25.5" war?

Quote of the day, hands down!!!

+1.  Hunter, we're not worthy!
Title: Jackson finally get it right!!
Post by: Ratrod on January 23, 2007, 10:50:43 AM
Quote from: Philly Q
Is that your Power Jet Ratty, or have you got something else to show us? (oo-er... )


You guessed it.
Title: Jackson finally get it right!!
Post by: fps_dean on January 26, 2007, 01:01:03 AM
They need to come with BKPs damnit!
Title: Jackson finally get it right!!
Post by: FELINEGUITARS on January 26, 2007, 03:03:13 AM
Quote from: Dakine
Ya know, would'nt it be a bloody marvelous world if we could all have our very own bespoke made guitars. When we got bored or fancied somthing else we could afford another one, just like that, woopee :)

What a loada cr@p!

I lose count of the musicians who are A.VERY VERY Famous and B.Who founded their careers on, 'off the shelf' guitars (many of which are now worth almost as much as their personal bank balance).

Sure, who would argue that a well made custom guitar is not the best option, but not all could afford it or would want to.   :roll:

Many people change styles, tastes etc. or just want a change. Unless a very well known luthier has made the guitar (and even then it's still someone elses custom) it's worth little. Think of a Saville Row Bespoke Suit. Where would that end up if no longer desired/needed by the original purchaser? A charity shop.

I can find clips right this very minute recorded on a stock $99 squire strat and a $150 sears silvertone amp that are way and beyond excellent.

Being Elite is in the mind, being great is in the ears of the listener.  :wink:


I wasnt being Elitist & griping about the quality of ready made guitars in general.

I was simply making an observation of an error that crops up in way too many guitars and doesnt ever seem to get rectified so it would seem over time.

It is a quality control/R&D issue that could be fixed and got right in production - no matter where the guitars are made.

I have played £99 squiers or whatever that have knocked my socks off- and i dont hold any boutique snobbery about stuff.

I have played many Epiphones that out perform their Gibson cousins, and maybe just lack in quality in certain hardware areas.

What I spend my time doing at work is actually being a great leveller - most of our work is set up and fret dressing related (as well as fitting BKPs)

So we get to see high end stuff like Gibsons and cheapo beginners guitars and aim to make whatever brand of guitar play to its full potential.

I had an 82/83 Squier come inlast week that i wanted to buy off the customer - it was SOOOO nice (maybe the nicest strat I have ever played) . But sadly he wasnt selling