Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: noodleplugerine on January 21, 2007, 11:12:46 PM
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Firstly, I must apologise for this, since this is my first thread on the forums which I've actually looked around on for a while.
After reading these forums I've realised there are some extremely knowledgeable guitarists who I reckon could help me out quite a bit, because frankly, I'm quite stuck.
I'm looking to buy a new electric designed primarily for playing metal, be it shredding, or thrashing. My budget's around £700, I need a fast neck, strong pickups, preferably a neck thru or set neck construction, and the other sorts of features you would expect.
I've come to a shortlist of these guitars:
ESP LTD H-1000:
http://www.guitarsatbmusic.com.au/esp/guitars/ltddlx/hires/h1000blk.jpg
Set neck construction
3-piece maple neck w/rosewood fingerboard
Mahogany body
EMG 81/85 active pickups
TonePros locking bridge w/string-thru-body
Schecter C-1 Hellraiser:
http://media.schecterguitars.com/imgs/hr_c1_hell_bch.jpg
Set neck construction
3-pc. Mahogany/Rosewood
Mahogany, Quilted Maple Top
EMG active 81 / 85
TonePros TOM w/ thru-body
I know what you're gunna say.... Featurewise they're identical guitars. They can both be bought with Floyd Roses's instead of the tonespro (although haven't been able to find the MH-1000 which is the ESP with an OFR anywhere...), but I've never had a proper trem arm, so I doubt I would use it much, and would most likely find it a hastle. So my questions are:
1. Do you have any other suggestions for guitars similar or better than these in the same price range?
2. Can you think of any reasons to get one above the other?
3. Should I totally give up and look for something totally different?
Also, buying from the US (which I would with the ESP) isn't a problem for me, so if that influences the budget then great.
I also plan on buying a Genz Benz El Diablo head soon after this, can anyone think of a reason not to?
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a major reason not to buy the el-diablo would be if you don't like it, lol. I liked it when I tried it out, but I've heard some people struggle to get a good lead tone from it... that might be a concern if you want to do a lot of shred.
mainly as far as the amps go, you want to try out everything in a similar price range to the ED. Engl, Framus, Soldano, Cornford, Diezel, Mesa, splawn (probably hard to try out, lol), Koch, etc., etc., just to make sure which amp is the one for you.
Ditto the guitars. You want to try everything you can get your hands on. I wouldn't be too keen on spending £700 on a Korean guitar myself, to be honest (as those LTD and Schecters are). They tend to have worse quality control, use worse components, use lower quality timbers etc., etc. Some of the higher-up Korean ones have a tendency to throw Seymour Duncans at the guitar to persuade you that you're getting a pro guitar, and pay little heed to the quality of the timbers and hardware, which play, IMO, a much bigger part- if you can solder, poor pickups are one of the easiest fixes you can do. It's much harder to correct dead-sounding wood, or poor hardware if all the decent hardware isn't a direct retrofit (as it frequently isn't).
You also need to really decide if there's a type of wood you prefer, a type of construction, whether or not you want a locking trem, etc., etc.
I didn't really give you any answers there, to be honest. But I think you need to give us a bit more info, or decide yourself what you want, a little more first...
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Well, mahogany is allways a safe bet on the guitars I've played, but I've heard that Alder and walnut also give good tones for metal (although I can't remember ever playing a walnut guitar O.o).
The construction should be Neck thru, but this allways seems to be a major boost to prices.
I think I've decided against trems altogether, since I never use them now, and expect that even if I got one, I would refrain from using them, and end up with a big mechanical mess that I would regret.
I mainly shred, so a fast neck is definetly needed.
Shape-wise I mainly prefer super strats, however I have been inclined to like various SG style shaped, but as I shred, some sort of dual cutaway is definetly needed.
I'm not too fussy on a guitar's looks, more on if it plays nicely - That being said, a lime green Jem with a pink scratchplate would be extremely hard to hand over money for.
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LTD MH400 or MH400NT (depending on if you want the trem or not). Killer looks, Neck thru fast maple neck with mahogany wings and a figured maple top, either a floyd or Tonepros with an Earvana nut, EMGs, £700-£750. Good for shred, good for riffing.
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I'd seriously consider an ibanez rga121. It is bolt-on, and is quite bright (no brighter than an alder guitar, though, and you haven't discounted them), mahogany body, maple neck, rosewood fretboard, thick maple top. Super-wizard neck.
You can get one for just over £500, I think. You'd have money to spare for BKP's. Comes with a case.
That's what I'd do. it's made in Japan too.
Some of the Japanese Jacksons are quite nice too- the SL3 (trem, though), and slsmg (maybe discontinued, I'm not too sure, sambo got one recently) would also be worth a look. Doesn't come with a case, unfortunately. Around £600-£650 (though I think my local shop has good prices, lol).
Framus guitars look pretty nice too. I've never been able to try them, but the specs etc. look good. www.framus.de
I'm afraid you're going to get another "try everything you can" post, lol. But at least those are some pointers.
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Tried an SL3 earlier today infact, was less than impressed, the sound was soggy which from Seymours I found suprising and the Neck although a nice shape, had an awful plasticy finnish, not like normal gloss. Don't think Jackson have made a good guitar in a while...
I agree that I'd have to look around, but in London, although there's a huge selection of guitars, it's suprisingly hard to find guitars which anybody would actually want.
Went into soundcontrol on Oxford Street today, and no joke, the Schecter section had a whole wall of £180 Omens in all different colours. The best Schecter was a £300 "metal" guitar with duncan designed pickups -.-
Best thing though was the immense stock of 2 ibanez, both under £300 in one of London's biggest music shops....
That Ibanez looks interesting, the main turn down is the pickups obviously, but as you said, I'd have money left for some BKPs, which would you recommend, some warpigs? Has anyone tried that Gibraltar bridge?
The MH400 is shocking, £150 cheaper than the H-1000 above, and the only difference is the bridge and the fancy abalone inlays all over the place :S
Could get the MH400 for about £400 if I got a mate from the states to bring it over aswell.
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^ the gibraltar bridge is very nice. Very comfy under the palm. Now, you'd need to try it head to head with the same guitar with a different bridge to see how well it compared to other bridges in terms of sustain, lol, but in terms of comfort, it's great. EDIT: i think it's designed to appeal to those who like the feel of locking trems, though. As I'm used to them...
Seymours aren't amazing, which virtually anyone here will tell you, lol (in relation to the "soggy" sound of the sl3).
Don't know about specific BKP's, I haven't tried enough (I think I've tried one, and the shop didn't know which model it was :lol: ). I heard enough to know it was good, though (as I purposely tried a Duncan-loaded guitar next to it).
Best bet if you want pickup recommendations is to pm or email tim, or make a thread in the pickups section. But you'd need to decide on the guitar first, lol.
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The Ibanez could be a bit risky then, since I'm in no way an expert of pickups... The woods on it are fantastic, but I'm not really prepared for a pick n mix job.
At this point would rather buy something with half decent pickups on them, and the EMG 81s I tried 2 days ago were sick. Alot of 'metal' guitars nowadays have 81 sets or 81/85, and I'm more than happy to live with them.
If I feel particularly abmitious and rich at a later point I'll put some BKPs on whatever I do get.
Comfortable bridges are good, but if you say it's for people who like locking trems, then I don't know if I'll like it... Depends on what you mean by that. The thing I found odd about Locking trems comfort-wise is the flatness of where your palm sits, means you have to be alot lighter, and it's not as raised as the Stoptail I'm used to on my SG.
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^ fair enough.
I'd prefer BKP myself, as that way I can get exactly what I want. But I understand your concern- at least with the EMG's you've tried them and know you like them.
I guess that slsmg, if they still make 'em, is worth a shot.
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About what you said before on the amps:
I've heard to a few demos of the El Diablo, and it sounds great, bucketfulls on gain, which I absolutely love.
About the amps you listed: Diezel and Mesa are a wee bit out of my price range, and all I've got is a soul to sell at the moment, and even that wouldn't fetch much more than a fiver :P
Engl are quite expensive aswell, right? Only heard good things about them though. Cornford, Framus, Koch and Splawn, all seem rather ambiguous to me, would need to sit down and try one out, but due to the fact I've never heard of Splawn or ED that could be difficult.... Again my budget's not alot more than £700-800 on a new amp, and I'd need a while to save to get enough for that.
The El Diablo fits that nicely, has had great reviews and I've heard Mr Genzler sends out free tubes xD
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the el diablo is a really good amp but it hissed a lot, even when quite. it just got worse as you turned up the volume but after a certain point you couldnt hear it over the noise. the el diablo goes great with the gflex 2x12 cab.
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How about a BC Rich from the NJ series?
Reasonably priced, neck-thru, nice wood and color options.
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Don't buy an LTD, they are too overpriced for what they are.
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How about, an old Ibanez RG550? :)
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Don't buy an LTD, they are too overpriced for what they are.
What? A well built giggable guitar with quailty electronics and decent woods?
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Every LTD i've played (from MH-400 to EC1000)'s have had a 'clumsy' feel to them. Like I had to struggle with the guitar to be able to play with it. They are well built guitars but there's just something about their playability that puts me off them. I chose a PRS Standard over a EC1000 because of this.
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Yeah, but that can just be a case of what you're used to. For example I get that with strats. The PRS standard is a pretty different guitar though. The LTD's I've played have been very playable (I played a Viper 400 and something else, can't remember now).
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They are too overpriced, you can get the same quality or even better from a different company for a fraction of the price, the other thing i dislike about them is that despite being expensive, they look cheap.
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They're really not that expensive, and if you think they are, then could you please show me the alternatives which you're insinuating, cos I'd love to see them!
The best LTDs are between $700 and $900 - After shipping and VAT it's still under £550 - Compare that with other makes, not many have set necks or neck thrus with active EMGs and mahogany/alder bodies.
I'm finding it harder to come up with alternatives with the same features in that price range and the £200 I'd have left over would be used on getting some extras like a fitted hardcase, or some BKPs if I suddenly feel ambitious.
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I didn't say the same specs, i said the same quality. And when i say that i mean companies like Dean and Ibanez.
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I've played some extremely badly made Ibanez guitars, especially the RGs below the thru neck one, things like the 2620 and the 2570 I've seen with bad wiring and joints. Anyway, Ibanez isn't what I'm looking for, the cheap ones don't have the features I want, and those that do are too pricey.
Think I've only ever played 1 Dean electric, and can't remember it too well.
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There are some exceptions in the ESP LTD range, i'm not usually one for signature models, but i am really craving one of the Jeff Hanneman signatures now they have revamped them and upgraded all the stuff on the LTD versions.
Used to be:
Licensed Floyd + Bolt-On + Basswood
It's now:
Kahler Trem + Neck Thru + Alder
Sounds good to me :D
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The fact that the body is alder means very little to the overall tone if the neck is made from a different wood.
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There are some exceptions in the ESP LTD range, i'm not usually one for signature models, but i am really craving one of the Jeff Hanneman signatures now they have revamped them and upgraded all the stuff on the LTD versions.
Used to be:
Licensed Floyd + Bolt-On + Basswood
It's now:
Kahler Trem + Neck Thru + Alder
Sounds good to me :D
Ebony Fretboard on the new one aswell :D
How much does it cost? Feature wise it's awesome, but I can't stand the inlays :<
Neck's made out of maple.
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i quite like those inlays.....
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Dunno what it is about them...
Too blocky, takes alot of the fret space and the material looks a bit plain.
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The fact that the body is alder means very little to the overall tone if the neck is made from a different wood.
A neck thru relies less on the wings compared to the neck thru material
the change from basswood to alder would matter in a bolt on
A change to neck thru would change the sound too - but it would be the neck material that is the key to the tone
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I think the inlays rule.
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I didn't say the same specs, i said the same quality. And when i say that i mean companies like Dean and Ibanez.
Joe, just wondering, you seem hellish knowledgeable on all these guitars these days, how have you played em all? Do you work in a large guitar shop after school nowadys? :roll:
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I have played them, i don't work there but there is a guitar shop in my town very near my school actually and they happen to stock Dean, Ibanez ESP and a lot of others.
I havn't played all the guitars in the manufacturers range but from what i have played i found that Ibanez necks rule, Dean sound cool and ESP sound alright but not as good as Dean, though remember i havn't played all of them, just 2 or 3 from each.
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okidoki, explains your comments I spose.
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I agree with the 'ESP are overrated and poor value' thing.
I've never, NEVER played an LTD that was worth the asking price. You have to get up to £500 for the quality to get even OK (whereas dean and ibanez there at about £300) and the hardware far outsrips the wood and construction 90% of the time. They feel cheap and clumsy and the harware over woods & quality policy is completely the wrong way round. You cant upgrade wood.
ESP sigs are vastly overpriced, but at least they're good guitars. They just have an extra 1000 tagged on the price for the name 'ESP' without the 'LTD' and the artists endorsment.
If youre on a budget davey is absolutely right: late 80s and early 90s jacksons are available for the same price that will own the shit out of a new LTD. You can get a '90 RG550 for £400 easily, and if its as new or close then it'll be a damn fine guitar.
Other than that:
Dean
Maverick
Yamaha
do some great metal guitars that will eat any LTD of the same price as a snack between meals. And you'll get more life out of them because they'll benefit far more from upgrades. Quality-wise you really cant fail to get value for money with yamaha in particular: at about 500, where LTDs start getting 'ok', yamaha start getting 'great'.
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Thing about Deans is that you only get half decent pickups on the expensive models.
While ESP have EMG 81s on their £500 guitars.
I agree Dean have good quality control, but the los of features doesn't justify it in my opinion, since the high end Korean ESPs seem just as well built as far as I've seen.
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Not sure what you mean by saying that ESP don't use good woods.
All their top end Koreans are Mahogany, Alder or Maple, and are all neck thru or set neck :S
And I'll stress this point again, I can get these guitars in the US since I have family and friends that ship stuff over for me all the time.
My mind's nowhere near made up, but the ESP LTDs I have played were fantastic. Fast necks, great sounds and meaty pickups, while made of good woods. Only other thing I'd ask for is an ebony fingerboard but I can make do without.
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for what it's worth. IMO, in US you can get ALOT of guitar for £500. And ESP aint exactly the only game in town, nor Dean etc.
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Indeed, but I wouldn't get much better features than those mentioned unless I spend a few hundred more.
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used?
Why buy new when ya can get a good used one better for less?
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Used is good, but used is risky, and used from the US would be even riskier :P
Seen some good deals on Evilbay - But never the kind of thing I would buy new if ya know what I mean.
Bought my last guitar (Epiphone SG custom) for £200 on an impulse buy, 2nd hand, and it was one of my worst ever mistakes. I love the guitar, even though it's hopelessly bad. But at the time I had £350 or so to spend on a guitar, and if I had been slightly more knowledgeable at the time I would never had made the mistake.
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but you have ppl. in the USA right, so risky?
Limiting I say. But then, what would I know.
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Not sure what you mean by saying that ESP don't use good woods.
All their top end Koreans are Mahogany, Alder or Maple, and are all neck thru or set neck :S
Those are just names. What grade wood?
What a wood is called is only an indicator, really. Theres A LOT of variation within the same specis. Really, huge amounts: different forests, different countries, different trees and different PARTS of ONE tree will give you massive variations in wood as far as grain density and consistency go. Thats whats really important in a tone wood, when all's said and done, and the species is in second place.
Similarly with set necks, glue dampens transmission of vibration, so the contact has to be pretty much wood:wood with just a bit of glue in there or you lose tone and sustain. You cant see that, you have to listen for it. Its very easy to make a CHEAP (operative word here, guitar companies are in business people! Nothing wrong with that, you just have to get a bit wise to how it works) and cr@ppy join thats clumsily machined with masses of glue in there.
Thru is more consistent: what happens there is you lose the tone of the wings, which is less important.
Trust your eyes and ears.
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About what you said before on the amps:
I've heard to a few demos of the El Diablo, and it sounds great, bucketfulls on gain, which I absolutely love.
About the amps you listed: Diezel and Mesa are a wee bit out of my price range, and all I've got is a soul to sell at the moment, and even that wouldn't fetch much more than a fiver :P
Engl are quite expensive aswell, right? Only heard good things about them though. Cornford, Framus, Koch and Splawn, all seem rather ambiguous to me, would need to sit down and try one out, but due to the fact I've never heard of Splawn or ED that could be difficult.... Again my budget's not alot more than £700-800 on a new amp, and I'd need a while to save to get enough for that.
The El Diablo fits that nicely, has had great reviews and I've heard Mr Genzler sends out free tubes xD
ED? hehehe, that was my abbreviation of the el diablo, lol. Sorry about the misunderstanding! :lol:
Engl can get dear, but there are cheaper models too. The blackmore is my current fave of the not-super-expensive engls. I might be biased, though, since it reminds me most of my savage se, lol. I'd say engl have more gain than the el diablo, too.
Main thing is to make sure you try as many things as possible. It's virtually impossible to judge on soundclips. There are too many variables, it's just plain a bad idea. Also, disregard amps you haven't heard of at your peril. Many are awesome. Also, it's not like Genz-Benz is the best known make, lol.
I didn't say the same specs, i said the same quality. And when i say that i mean companies like Dean and Ibanez.
+1. good pickups doesn't mean a good guitar. And it means there's less money to put into the more important parts, like the wood (you can switch pickups, for example). Check out the thread in the Time Out forum!
(I don't think I've tried any LTD's, by the way- at least not for ages. I always find something I want to try more! LTD do seem to be extremely expensive for what they are, though.)
Joe, just wondering, you seem hellish knowledgeable on all these guitars these days, how have you played em all? Do you work in a large guitar shop after school nowadys? :roll:
you seem awful harsh on ol' Joe these days, nick? :cry:
I agree with Mark about Yamaha, they are excellent guitars for the money. The Pacifica and AES series are very nice for the cash. Don't look particularly metal, but a quick warpig or miracle man swap should fix that... Ibanez SZ are pretty nice too, but you'd want to try several, the QC can be dodgy.
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Yeah i agree with the other guy (:lol: forgot the name) you can't say ''oh well it says it's mahogany so it has to be good''.
What you are indicating to me here is just because it says mahogany you think it has been chopped down from some enchanted forest where all the magical custom shop guitars are made. You are indicating that say Basswood is worse, when some of the worlds greatest guitarists use/used basswood guitars.
You can't judge a wood by the name, only by the grade.
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Not sure what you mean by saying that ESP don't use good woods.
All their top end Koreans are Mahogany, Alder or Maple, and are all neck thru or set neck :S
And I'll stress this point again, I can get these guitars in the US since I have family and friends that ship stuff over for me all the time.
My mind's nowhere near made up, but the ESP LTDs I have played were fantastic. Fast necks, great sounds and meaty pickups, while made of good woods. Only other thing I'd ask for is an ebony fingerboard but I can make do without.
there are different qualities of woods. Do you think for a second that PRS or Suhr are using the same quality of mahogany as LTD or Epiphone?
Jeez.
And mahogany can be used to describe so many different species of woods, it's a lottery. Unless you know you're getting from a reputable source.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahogany
Not sure what you mean by saying that ESP don't use good woods.
All their top end Koreans are Mahogany, Alder or Maple, and are all neck thru or set neck :S
Those are just names. What grade wood?
What a wood is called is only an indicator, really. Theres A LOT of variation within the same specis. Really, huge amounts: different forests, different countries, different trees and different PARTS of ONE tree will give you massive variations in wood as far as grain density and consistency go. Thats whats really important in a tone wood, when all's said and done, and the species is in second place.
Similarly with set necks, glue dampens transmission of vibration, so the contact has to be pretty much wood:wood with just a bit of glue in there or you lose tone and sustain. You cant see that, you have to listen for it. Its very easy to make a CHEAP (operative word here, guitar companies are in business people! Nothing wrong with that, you just have to get a bit wise to how it works) and cr@ppy join thats clumsily machined with masses of glue in there.
Thru is more consistent: what happens there is you lose the tone of the wings, which is less important.
Trust your eyes and ears.
Garg. Stole my thunder. :lol:
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Yeah i agree with the other guy (:lol: forgot the name) you can't say ''oh well it says it's mahogany so it has to be good''.
What you are indicating to me here is just because it says mahogany you think it has been chopped down from some enchanted forest where all the magical custom shop guitars are made. You are indicating that say Basswood is worse, when some of the worlds greatest guitarists use/used basswood guitars.
You can't judge a wood by the name, only by the grade.
Et tu, Brute?
Garg, what is this, steal Dave's thunder day?
:lol:
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:lol: sorry man, i guess everyone just wants a piece of the action!
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^ heh, no problem, I'm just kidding.
:lol:
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Ha!
Ner ner ne ne ner ;)
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Dave,
just patience wearing thin. I never jump upon unless justified.
Nothing to do with CJ but there are ALOT of PLANKS on this forum right now (summit to do with HC problems? who knows) and I only like planks when shaped and made into instruments, not the walking kind ;)
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Dakine: Yeah, but it's still a-whole-nother continent, if I saw a 2k custom for 700 I'd definetly look at it. :P
Those are just names. What grade wood?
What a wood is called is only an indicator, really. Theres A LOT of variation within the same specis. Really, huge amounts: different forests, different countries, different trees and different PARTS of ONE tree will give you massive variations in wood as far as grain density and consistency go. Thats whats really important in a tone wood, when all's said and done, and the species is in second place.
Similarly with set necks, glue dampens transmission of vibration, so the contact has to be pretty much wood:wood with just a bit of glue in there or you lose tone and sustain. You cant see that, you have to listen for it. Its very easy to make a CHEAP (operative word here, guitar companies are in business people! Nothing wrong with that, you just have to get a bit wise to how it works) and cr@ppy join thats clumsily machined with masses of glue in there.
Thru is more consistent: what happens there is you lose the tone of the wings, which is less important.
Trust your eyes and ears.
Ahhhh! So much to learn!
I'd love a neck thru but they just seem to add so much to the price :(
Dave:
Haha! No wonder I hadn't heard of it xD
But yeah, not only judging on sound clips, a mate of mine went up north to try one out, he's into the same sort of stuff as I am and dedicated himself into saving for one :P
I've kinda had the words "GENZ BENZ EL DIABLO" subliminally pummeled into my ears for the last few weeks.
I'll definetly try some Engls since there a load easier to find then!
So at the moment, I have to look at some more Ibanez RGs, SZs, Deans, and Mavericks?
Any of those makes in particular? Only Deans I've seen are Dimebags.
Edit: About the wood thing, I knew they had different grades, but I thought that wasn't as big an effect as the woods themselves, and that the woods each have their own individual tone and therefore that's why they were picked. And then the grade of wood only effected the character of the tone. I've clearly been proven totally wrong xD
I wasn't thinking - Oh well it's mahogany so it has to be good, I was thinking oh well it's mahogany so it'll have a deep sound and a lush tone making it good for metal so it has to be good.
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^ yeah, that's why it's best to try them in the shop. Even the same grade of wood can sound different...
the ED is nice, don't get me wrong. It's just it's not the only contender. Again, you need to try them if at all possible, lol.
^ ^ nick: :drink:
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Update:
Just placed an order on an ESP Viper Standard in Camo from the US - Turns out that a mate of mine is going to chicago on the 23rd... And guess what? I have a mate that lives in chicago :D
The guitar's 3 months old, and is in excellent condition except for a chip on the treble cutaway (seen 11 pictures and haven't been able to see the chip - so either the shopkeeper's lying or the chip is too small for me to care).
Was able to try a viper a few days ago and loved it - couldn't resist this offer.
UK retail is about £1500 - Bought this with its hardcase for £410.
Go me :>
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Sounds like a great deal :)
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If you're aiming to swap out the pup's and plan on using your purchase as a gigging guitar why not buy used. I have found several good deals used. The only guitar I had issues with was the Gibson SG that I put the WP and MQ in. I re-finished it myself, (a project I wouldn't recommend to the faint of heart) after I BK'd it I now have a killer SG; the paint job is passable but the sound is huge.
I found a USA Dean Hardtail on fleabay and secured it for under $1000.00 US. The guitar was as new not a mark on it and it resonates unbelievable unplugged; probably better than anything else I've ever had the opportunity to play long enough to leave a lasting impression. I also found a Gibson CS346 used in a guitar shop in the Southern USA somewhere, it was listed as a CS336, but it is a CS346 and it is a keeper, Gibson makes a Paul Jackson Jr. signature model of the CS346 but mine pre-dates the sig model, and I paid less than half the new price.
My point here is used can be good, at least it has been for me. It is definitely buyers beware, and it is best to check references and if it seems too good to be true it usually is.
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The Viper is used, didn't make that clear enough, but it's only 3 months old.
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^ that sounds like a great deal, then, especially to someone this side of the pond.
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Sorry for the bump:
My german guy just got back from the States clutching my new guitar. He took some photos to show me the works :p
Options now are to either wait for the 15th when he's coming to the UK (In Germany atm), or pay the extra and get him to mail it here.
I think I know which I'm doing ;)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/noodleplugerine/01310001.jpg)
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The only damage is the chip on the treble horn which is larger than it looks in the original photos, but I really don't mind; £400 for a guitar retailing at £1400 here is a steal either way, and since that chip has saved me £1000, it's my fave ever chip xD
PS: While he was there he also bought a Strat, photos below, anybody have a clue wtf it is? It must be a signature guitar due to the signature on the headstock, but does anybody know whose?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/noodleplugerine/01310005.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/noodleplugerine/01310004.jpg
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Thon's a fender Jeff Beck Strat, boss. (The Old Model with the big, fat neck!!)
Well done that lad.
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that vipers nice i would of stuck with a lump of nice quality wodd and go make my own though 8)
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dude that thing is awesome, you should import me one for that price :wink:
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holy shite dude!!!! that guitar kicks!!!
congrats!!!
how does it play?
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Will tell ya in a week. :p
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Will tell ya in a week. :p
THANKS :D
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Now on to the next issue....
Warpigs, Nailbombs, Miracle Men, or Painkillers??
Am thinking maybe Warpig for chug chug at the neck, and painkillers for eek eek at the bridge?
Will have the money to buy them on April 26th (Day before LGS :P) So gunna be buying them around then.
And yes, I am sure I want to replace the EMGs, they're going into my Epiphone SG with 13-56s set to C standard.
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Arrived.
My gosh it's a beast.
Roars tone, with a lightning neck and came perfectly set up and just awwwwww oh yeah :>
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/noodleplugerine/100_0510.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/noodleplugerine/100_0507.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/noodleplugerine/100_0509.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/noodleplugerine/100_0516.jpg
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asshole.... :lol:
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wow dude that kicks ass!!!
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is he orgasming? cos i would :P Dman i want that but maybe in midnight camo.
Any sound clips? or you waiting till BKP's turn up?
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I was intending to wait for BKPs, but if you wanna hear I can make some :P
But which BKPs should I go for?
Warpigs, Nailbombs, Painkillers?
PS: How do you tell the difference between an 81 and an 85?
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But which BKPs should I go for?
Warpigs, Nailbombs, Painkillers?
PS: How do you tell the difference between an 81 and an 85?
i would go for Warpigs, they will crush you.
looks-wise, 81 has a silver EMG logo, and an 85 has a gold EMG logo (i'm pretty sure...)
IDK sound-wise
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That guitar is sweet. Has to be warpigs, or you'll wonder what could have been! Although I still think the camo nailbombs with nailbomb written on them would _look_ lethal.
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Ask for camo warpigs with the word WAR written across the neck and PIG written across the bridge.
although you'll need to give tim a picture of the type of camo he'll have to match it to. Or you coual have the same thing engraved on it just have a 'rusted metal' look instead, so a tank in the jungle affect.
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Ask for camo warpigs with the word WAR written across the neck and PIG written across the bridge.
although you'll need to give tim a picture of the type of camo he'll have to match it to. Or you coual have the same thing engraved on it just have a 'rusted metal' look instead, so a tank in the jungle affect.
Tank in a jungle sounds cool, although if I could get Tim to match the camo - That would look even cooler :>
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/noodleplugerine/100_0520.png)
Artist's impression
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http://www.soundclick.com/noodleplugerine
Some clips if anyone's interested, not that the playing's good, but it was all remembering things I learnt a while ago off the top of my head, so it's mucked up as hell xD, atleast the tone's nice enough :S
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Now you need to go play guitar whilst hiding in the bushes.
Ninja-metal...
God i miss my viper now... had the chance to buy a 7 string viper for 300 quid, wish i had!
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http://www.soundclick.com/noodleplugerine
Some clips if anyone's interested, not that the playing's good, but it was all remembering things I learnt a while ago off the top of my head, so it's mucked up as hell xD, atleast the tone's nice enough :S
sounds professionally metal!!!!!!
hey, i found the TG article with your guitar in it: "OBJECTS OF DESIRE: the gear dreams are made of"
here are some quotes:
"Everyone knows ESP and their legion of loyal followers. the cream of modern metal <here is a huge artist roster lol> endorse ESP's awesome rock guitars."
"this fine looking Viper is one of ESP's coolest looking axes; a sleek update of the gibson SG with a killer set of EMG-81 active pickups, purpose-built for metal."
"the Viper is the perfect weapon for heavy rock warfare. Engage!"
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http://www.soundclick.com/noodleplugerine
Some clips if anyone's interested, not that the playing's good, but it was all remembering things I learnt a while ago off the top of my head, so it's mucked up as hell xD, atleast the tone's nice enough :S
sounds professionally metal!!!!!!
hey, i found the TG article with your guitar in it: "OBJECTS OF DESIRE: the gear dreams are made of"
here are some quotes:
"Everyone knows ESP and their legion of loyal followers. the cream of modern metal <here is a huge artist roster lol> endorse ESP's awesome rock guitars."
"this fine looking Viper is one of ESP's coolest looking axes; a sleek update of the gibson SG with a killer set of EMG-81 active pickups, purpose-built for metal."
"the Viper is the perfect weapon for heavy rock warfare. Engage!"
Awesome :D
Thanks man ^_^
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no prob, just a couple of minutes copying :P