Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Afghan Dave on January 23, 2007, 03:23:37 AM
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WTF?
http://news.harmony-central.com/Newp/2007/Gibson-PowerTune.html
Technology is leaving me behind... Why would I want this?
I know what... I'll pay £25000 for an EVH Fender then get this system fitted so that I'll never be out of tune!!!
...Oh, sh1T.... EVH was out of tune (A440) on the first album... Thank god the Tronical PowerTune software can learn that too!! :shock: :shock: :shock:
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Dear lord why hath you forsaken us?!
I don't know whether to laugh or cry xD
If it does work though, could create some interesting pieces with tuning changes every bar xD
haha, found this - Much cooler xD http://youtube.com/watch?v=o7ibF4c6JTE
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if u've ever owned a new gibson and pushed on the neck joint u'd understand why this is a good idea to keep them intune.. because they're absolute shitee.
I have a trem setter, locking tuners and LSR nut on my strat and still have tuning stability problems.. go figure why this is a good idea?
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They were at the London Guitar show last year!!!
It's clever , it's a good idea but it's overkill
It will automatically retune your guitar to a whole range of stored tunings
So you can flick a switch and retune to open G - and it's quick too
I can see where they are coming from but as I said it's overkill
Mind you if all guitars had it you could maybe eliminate the arguements about who is out of tune at rehearsals
Or get a version with a remote control and retune your friends guitar while he is playing - just to piss him off
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I can see this doing to pitch recognition what the pocket calculator did to mental arithmetic.
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I can see this doing to pitch recognition what the pocket calculator did to mental arithmetic.
Iagree 100%
I still like to add up and stuff mentally
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I can see this doing to pitch recognition what the pocket calculator did to mental arithmetic.
heh
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If you can't tune a guitar yourself, you shouldn't even be playing.
This thing is a disgraceful piece of kit for lazy (yet trendy) gimps.
(one of the gimps) :? :shock: (me)
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Over time, I can see this being a standard feature on guitars. Like it or not, this is the future, once it gets into the realm of 'everyman' affordability. (ie, Korea or China can mass-produce it) Why? Because it will sell itself to the legions of n00bs picking up the guitar for the first time. And that is what all those music super stores focus on. (The last time I went into a Guitar Center and actually looked for a guitar that was aimed at the professional working guitarist, I found ONE, but it was the awful Floyd Rose guitar)
Being able to hear A440, tune, and intonate your instrument should be required for all guitarists.
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^ you mean hear a440 as in perfect pitch?
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^ you mean hear a440 as in perfect pitch?
No - if tune up often enough you can instinctively know a certain pitch
I can pretty much do it with the high open E
I have made myself hum/sing along with it when I have tuned up and over a period of time your body actually remembers it and can reproduce it at will
Yes - you do feel a bit of an idiot doing it but you learn the pitches pretty quickly.
In fact humming or singing notes along with the guitar should be part of practice as it will greatly accelerate your ability to copy stuff and play melodies and solos (although some soloing seems bereft of melody)
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^ that's pretty much the definition of perfect pitch, though (though granted you're doing it with only say one note). I guess with doing tune-ups the amount you are you can get it.
I have relative pitch, not perfect though.
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In fact humming or singing notes along with the guitar should be part of practice as it will greatly accelerate your ability to copy stuff and play melodies and solos (although some soloing seems bereft of melody)
Perhaps one day your ear will be as good as this guys - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3JGuNc48HY
:lol:
I think this tuning device is just stupid. Theres really no need for it, even I'm not that lazy. Crazy Joe might like it though, until he breaks a string ;)
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Isn't it just a version of this
http://transperformance.com/index2.htm
They've been around for years early/mid 90's I believe. Page used a guitar equipped with this on the Page/Plant tours.
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Like Jonathan, I can pitch an E in my head and tune a guitar accordingly.I think that just about anyone can do it with practice.Years ago I locked the Beatles song "Norwegian Wood" into my brain-works for me. My son, however, does have perfect pitch-can recognise and recite any note and whilst he can't necessarily name a chord, can play it on piano after just one listen-I hate him.
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Like Jonathan, I can pitch an E in my head and tune a guitar accordingly.I think that just about anyone can do it with practice.Years ago I locked the Beatles song "Norwegian Wood" into my brain-works for me. My son, however, does have perfect pitch-can recognise and recite any note and whilst he can't necessarily name a chord, can play it on piano after just one listen-I hate him.
I beleive the stat on that is 1 in 10 000. Lucky :(
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In fact humming or singing notes along with the guitar should be part of practice as it will greatly accelerate your ability to copy stuff and play melodies and solos (although some soloing seems bereft of melody)
Perhaps one day your ear will be as good as this guys - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3JGuNc48HY
brilliant lol
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^ that's pretty much the definition of perfect pitch, though (though granted you're doing it with only say one note). I guess with doing tune-ups the amount you are you can get it.
I have relative pitch, not perfect though.
No.
You are born with perfect pitch, you learn relative pitch. Perfect pitch is the ability to hear intervals in your head. For the rest of us, we have to memorize the beats that signify the type of interval being heard.
The ear has no memory. However, I know A when I hear it, and can tune up my guitar +/- 10 cents from A. I do not have perfect pitch. I did spend years doing relative pitch training, however, which is done in a unique way and method. And it really does work!
As for humming along with lines, I totally agree with Feline. It works.
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Like Jonathan, I can pitch an E in my head and tune a guitar accordingly.I think that just about anyone can do it with practice.Years ago I locked the Beatles song "Norwegian Wood" into my brain-works for me. My son, however, does have perfect pitch-can recognise and recite any note and whilst he can't necessarily name a chord, can play it on piano after just one listen-I hate him.
I beleive the stat on that is 1 in 10 000. Lucky :(
Not luck; hard work and practice!
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They've been around for years early/mid 90's I believe. Page used a guitar equipped with this on the Page/Plant tours.
Page is also as deaf as a coffin nail these days!
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Years ago, in the days of vinyl, I remeber taking a Beatle album to my girlfriend's home and telling her that her turntable was running at the wrong speed-everything sounded wrong.She wouldn't have it.I eventually convinced her by playing along to NW at my home and having to detune to do so at hers. As Ben says, you have to work at it.
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No.
You are born with perfect pitch, you learn relative pitch. Perfect pitch is the ability to hear intervals in your head. For the rest of us, we have to memorize the beats that signify the type of interval being heard.
The ear has no memory. However, I know A when I hear it, and can tune up my guitar +/- 10 cents from A. I do not have perfect pitch. I did spend years doing relative pitch training, however, which is done in a unique way and method. And it really does work!
As for humming along with lines, I totally agree with Feline. It works.
Well, I can hear intervals in my head (like a fourth, or whatever), but it'd be an interval from a random, arbitrary starting pitch. I couldn't hum an a (or any note), or name a note that was played, without hearing a reference pitch first.
I just never saw the point in putting in the practice to learn what an "e" or whatever sounds like. I'd rather spend the time practising or playing. More power to you if you can do it, though, it'd be awesome.
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From years of working in a music shop and also setting up guitars I am pretty good at getting them in pitch by ear. I know I don't have perfect pitch, but just like everyone else was saying, you get a song into your mind that you know perfectly and you check out the tuning using that.
When I started playing it was either pitch pipes or a tuning fork. Pitch pipes were too much of a pain for me, the tuning fork is a lot better. Once you are used to using it, you have the 440Hz in your mind and can hear it when you need it (Keep 100+ guitars in tune every day for 3 years and you wil hear it too!). I still have one on the bench when I am working, though I don't really use it too much. When I am settig up guitars now I use a Peterson Virtual Strobe tuner, though I do the initial tuning by ear. Also, I always check with several open chords to see.
The guitar is not a perfectly tuned instrument anyway, this is why there are all the different methods of tuning the open strings to keep the intonation better. I know that if you take 5 guitarists who do tune with their ears, and then you have each take a guitar tuned by someone else, they will make subtle changes to the tuning. This oesn't mean that the guitars were tuned wrong in the first place, it more reflects what the style is that the guitarist will play more.
I think that there are pros and cons to an auto tuner, just the same as there are pros and cons to electronic tuners. How many people who use an electronic tuner use the sound option? If you are only tuning visually, then it is the same as using an auto tuner.
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perfect gadget for a gigging guitarist imo, if it means you are ALWAYS in tune.
if i was out gigging all the time id fit it to my gigging guitars, 1 less thing to worry about!!
If it became mass produced and relatively standard \ cheap then there'd be less of those 'we just played 3 songs before we realised the guitar was out of tune slightly' moments ;)
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well i think its a bloody marvellous piece of kit...
WHY should everyone have to be able to tune their guitar by ear themselves?!?! (i can, by the way)...
this would save time, as well as opening up a lot of possibilities in tunings that a lot of players may have never even considered before...
for example... ive always wondered - "what would it be like to play in open G?"... but ive never tried it much, especially not writing a song in such a tuning, just for the sheer fact that it takes too much time and effort, and would be impossible to play in a set with a guitar in standard tuning.
thats another thing to remember- not everyone has 1492876273 guitars so we dont all have the luxury of being able to have a guitar for each tuning
i dont see how anyone could fault the idea personally
ist just you oldies being nostalgic and holding on to the roots of guitar playing... pfftsch :P
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perfect gadget for a gigging guitarist imo, if it means you are ALWAYS in tune.
if i was out gigging all the time id fit it to my gigging guitars, 1 less thing to worry about!!
If it became mass produced and relatively standard \ cheap then there'd be less of those 'we just played 3 songs before we realised the guitar was out of tune slightly' moments ;)
+1!
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They've been around for years early/mid 90's I believe. Page used a guitar equipped with this on the Page/Plant tours.
Page is also as deaf as a coffin nail these days!
Based on what??
1 in 10 000 just refers to the # of people "born" with perfect pitch.
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They've been around for years early/mid 90's I believe. Page used a guitar equipped with this on the Page/Plant tours.
Page is also as deaf as a coffin nail these days!
Based on what??
Listen to his current mixes.
1 in 10 000 just refers to the # of people "born" with perfect pitch.
That's probably an accurate number. It's a shame that a large percentage of those born with perfect pitch probably aren't even musicicans!
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WHY should everyone have to be able to tune their guitar by ear themselves?!?! (i can, by the way)...
also, it would be a fantastic bit of kit for those rare gigs where you have an audience, so you dont want to tune by ear and make them leave :P
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haha! exactly! :)
how do you tune on stage TO? with an electronic tuner? surely not by ear cause then as chris just said, the audience hears, which isnt really preferable.
so i assume you use some sort of tuner? if so... how can you (sorry for singling you out- just making an example), how can you slate this for being able to tune for people when you yourself use a tuner- just in another format?
its basically just a more conveniently placed tuner... and most guitarists/people who play guitar, use tuners of some kind. so looking at it that way, the whole "its for lazy people" argument, really isnt relevant.
(again- wasnt solely picking out you TO it was just the first person that came to mind- cause i know you play live e.t.c. what i said applies to everyone else as well).
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its basically just a more conveniently placed tuner... and most guitarists/people who play guitar, use tuners of some kind. so looking at it that way, the whole "its for lazy people" argument, really isnt relevant.
(again- wasnt solely picking out you TO it was just the first person that came to mind- cause i know you play live e.t.c. what i said applies to everyone else as well).
Well it is kinda for lazy people, I mean the effort of reaching up to the headstock to tweak some knobs (ooh matron!) isnt exactly much is it :lol:
I personally use an electric stage tuner - Korg DT10 to be precise and see nothing wrong with that, dont really feel the urge to have something do it for me.
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haha i guess...
but then you could extend that to the other argument-
using a tuner is just as lazy because using your ears to work out the pitch isnt exactly a great effort is it? lol...
tough one.
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how do you tune on stage TO? with an electronic tuner? surely not by ear cause then as chris just said, the audience hears, which isnt really preferable.
I don't tune on stage. I tune before I get on stage. I use a tuner as a mute.
so i assume you use some sort of tuner? if so... how can you (sorry for singling you out- just making an example), how can you slate this for being able to tune for people when you yourself use a tuner- just in another format?
I'm not knocking the tuner thingy. I think you've misread by post. I said I can see it becoming very popular, and was more lamenting the fact that it will become a selling point over other, more needed, and costly features on a guitar.
I never stated tuners were bad. Tuners are a great tool, so long as you don't use those LEDs or that needle or those moving gears to replace your ears.
I never stated that I don't use a tuner. How would I confirm that I'm +/1 10 cents of true if I don't confirm it with something?
its basically just a more conveniently placed tuner... and most guitarists/people who play guitar, use tuners of some kind. so looking at it that way, the whole "its for lazy people" argument, really isnt relevant.
It's not a convenient tuner. It does the work for you. Once again, I never said it's good or bad. What is bad is that fewer and fewer people have the patience to listen these days.
(again- wasnt solely picking out you TO it was just the first person that came to mind- cause i know you play live e.t.c. what i said applies to everyone else as well).
No offense taken.
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haha i guess...
but then you could extend that to the other argument-
using a tuner is just as lazy because using your ears to work out the pitch isnt exactly a great effort is it? lol...
tough one.
It's not tough. And it's only an argument for those of us polemic enough to make it one. :)
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lol woops :oops:
my mistake- my post was aimed at the other guys who stated it was perhaps a negative thing then i guess. indeed i forgot the actual content of your original post- just picked your name as it was the one i glimpsed when typing the response.
woopsie daisy!!!
:oops:
oh and i meant argument as in a fact or assertion offered as evidence that something is true, as opposed to argument meaning a quarrel. :)
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1 in 10 000 just refers to the # of people "born" with perfect pitch.
That's probably an accurate number. It's a shame that a large percentage of those born with perfect pitch probably aren't even musicicans!
yeah, what is it, about 5% of musicians who are reckoned to have it? it's not too many, that's for sure.
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I never stated that I don't use a tuner. How would I confirm that I'm +/1 10 cents of true if I don't confirm it with something?
super-duper perfect pitch!
nah, you're right though. I use a tuner, then check with my ears that I'm in tune. Or else just relative-tune by ear if I'm not playing along with something like a cd.
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1 in 10 000 just refers to the # of people "born" with perfect pitch.
That's probably an accurate number. It's a shame that a large percentage of those born with perfect pitch probably aren't even musicicans!
It's possibly worse than that - maybe they listen to Britney or Paris Hilton or Boybands
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i saw a band practice once, many years agone, and i knew they sounded terrible but couldn't work out why. turned out one guitarist was tuned to E and the other to E flat! :oops: and it took them three songs to notice!
i think a lot of guitarists start out not putting enough emphasis on being in tune and then that habit stays with them. i see so many guitarists playing in pubs where i can say straight away, the G string (no jokes Sambo) is out, sometimes the high E, but they play on seemingly oblivious. the thing is i sometimes do it myself, especially on a certain guitar which, once the strings get a bit old, the G is difficult to get right. and i do most of my practicing unplugged, half a house away from any of my gear.
i'm rambling but i do have a point! i recently got a tuner which clips onto the headstock and tunes by vibration. it's great! i generally keep my guitars in tune by ear, but gradually they do seem to tend to end up being a quarter to half tone flat, so for a quick check up, or for the odd troublesome string, this wee tuner's great. definately my handiest bit or piece!
i can see applications for the auto tuners; mid gig or even song changes to open tunings has been mentioned. but generally i think they're a bit overkill. has anyone ever seen Richard Thompson? sitting effortlessly retuning to some open tuning or other while carrying on a conversation! maybe if they cloned him, and made him tiny we could all carry one in our gig bags, a kind of tuning gnome...