Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Players => Topic started by: _tom_ on February 01, 2007, 11:58:59 AM
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I posted this up a while ago using my V-Amp but I prefer this tone, it sounds much bigger :twisted: Playings a bit sloppy, my recording setup isnt exactly ideal at the minute ;)
I also expanded it a bit with a clean bit (though I dont really like clean tone, too harsh). Probably shoulda added chorus or something to it..
Chords/rhythm all on bridge Mule, leads and clean on neck Mule in my Epi LP Custom. Heres the setup (yes my guitar needs cleaning and I dont even have a mic stand yet :lol: )
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/tomr61/CIMG7905.jpg)
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/songInfo.cfm?bandID=493678&songID=4951909
Enjoy (I hope :))
edit - re-recorded with a more aggressive tone and a nicer clean :)
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Put the drive to 8, then is would be more Opeth style, but it sounds awesome none the less!
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the tone's not bad, a bit bland. I've told you once, twice, A THOUSAND TIMES :wink: . Do us a clip with the e.q. dials up around 5 or higher...please? It sounds flat because you insist on scooping out all the tone
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yeeah! that is very Opeth! well done!
the tone is slightly too scooped yeah, add a bit more mids and the tone will have more life :wink:
love that clean bit with solo...... also very Opeth
cheers for the clip... i AM getting this amp!
BM
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Scooped? The mids are always on 8/9 :?
Its the mic and probably my mic'ing technique, cos its going straight into the soundcard. It sounds fine in the room, if I have the treble much higher its painful :P
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hmmmm ok...... apparently though the built-in EQ isn't amazing on the GH50L.... thats only a rumour though, so don't shout at me for saying that!
whatever happens and whatever people say about it, i am going to get that amp VERY soon!
BM
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hmmmm ok...... apparently though the built-in EQ isn't amazing on the GH50L.... thats only a rumour though, so don't shout at me for saying that!
whatever happens and whatever people say about it, i am going to get that amp VERY soon!
BM
Turns out the EQ more interactive than I thought thanks to Indy recommending some settings :P With the bass up more it allows you to run the treble higher without making it so harsh or brittle, and as the treble is up more it doesnt sound so muddy as I thought it would due to the high bass. I'll have to re-record this clip with my new settings tomorrow :twisted:
And yeah I *think* that if you use 6L6 valves it'd take away some of the british tone and make it more modern/american sounding. Best to ask people who have done it though as I've only used 6L6 in my Fender which doesnt do distortion.
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+1 kinda on all the comments so far.
but nice one, i like it.
and listening through my spanky new Sennheisers... WOAH!
the drums sound reaaaallly good.
how did you do them? or is it a pre-made backing track or something?
good stuff.
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Yeah the drums sounded really good through my Koss headphone-earplug-things, not so great through my creative computer speakers.
Anywho, I use this program called Drumatik which I got off some CD. The drum samples were sent to me by Brow, I think he got them off Reason.. Really easy to program stuff but its a bit limited, you cant do much in the way of odd timings or anything, and the bpm doesnt go any higher than 200 so you cant really do really fast blastbeats or double bass type stuff..
I'll try re recording it with better tone, playing and cleans (will work on mic position to capture the big clean fender sound hopefully) tomorrow if I have time, I really cant be arsed with 2 hours of business studies and 1 hour of IT tomorrow :lol:
Anyway, what Sennheisers do you have? I want to get some half decent headphones for recording, so long as they're kinda flat sounding with good-ish isolation then it should be ok for monitoring and eq'ing etc..
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Drumatik eh... might look into that.
and i look forward to the updated version lol.
ive got 555's.... really comfy, and great sound.
i emailed a few online headphone shop/sites and these were recommended for clarity and for being a good choice for rock e.t.c. as well as good all-rounders.
theyre kinda expensive, (well in the world of headphones theyre actually pretty cheap), but personally i think theyre definitely worth it.
http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.dansdata.com/images/hd555/hd555_800.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.dansdata.com/hd555.htm&h=952&w=800&sz=65&hl=en&start=2&tbnid=atA8A-wAvhUHxM:&tbnh=148&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsennheiser%2B555%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DN
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I reckon that sounds pretty good! You're really getting the GH50L to sound all "modern".
I just made mine sound like Angus...
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I reckon that sounds pretty good! You're really getting the GH50L to sound all "modern".
I just made mine sound like Angus...
Thanks :) I got a better modern sound using some different settings but I didnt get to have the master up so it sounds kinda fizzy, the recordings here anyway -
http://download.yousendit.com/4BB0BAC154D4A04D
Its a really good amp, I can get all the classic Angus tones as well as GnR (took me some tweaking but I got it) all the way up to metal now :twisted: Just need to work on my mic'ing technique so I can get it to sound as good as it does in the room.
Sam, I'll have a look for the CD I have with Drumatik, I can probably figure out some way of copying it then I could send you it then email you the samples I use or something..?
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^that would be excellent if you could mate, cheers.
oh and about the head-phones- just realised you mentioned isolation to some degree- the 555s are completely open so theyre pretty useless in terms of isolation.
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I got a better modern sound using some different settings but I didnt get to have the master up so it sounds kinda fizzy, the recordings here anyway -
http://download.yousendit.com/4BB0BAC154D4A04D
Its a really good amp, I can get all the classic Angus tones as well as GnR (took me some tweaking but I got it) all the way up to metal now :twisted: Just need to work on my mic'ing technique so I can get it to sound as good as it does in the room.
Sounds very, very good. I'm guessing you're using the extra gain stage and more bass when compared to a 'DC tone?
Even if I could get tones like that I'd never use them! I guess that's why I've gone to amps that are as old as me :D
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Sounds very, very good. I'm guessing you're using the extra gain stage and more bass when compared to a 'DC tone?
Even if I could get tones like that I'd never use them! I guess that's why I've gone to amps that are as old as me :D
Yeah, that was the extra gain stage on around 8 ish. My other settings are something like -
Presence 6
Bass 6-7 ish
Mids - 7
Treble - 6
Master was only on 1 :( Really need a hotplate..
I honestly never thought to try the bass that high as it sounded pretty boomy/muddy with it above 4 but raising the treble as well seems to have made the tone pretty much perfect, they complement each other well I guess..
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Yeah, if you're boosting bass you have to add more treble and prescence or it gets too mushy. There's so much bass on my Klipp heads that at lower volumes you can't put the bass over 6 and have a clear tone.
Fine when you crank it though, just like a Plexi :twisted:
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Ok I updated it, the tones a bit more modern and aggressive now, and the cleans sound a bit nicer (mic'ed up my Fender and used the neck Mule):
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/songInfo.cfm?bandID=493678&songID=4951909
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Nice tones!
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great new tone! mmmm pure Laney quality
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Actually I quite like the tone though I see where folks are coming from. If Laneys are now like this, they sound a lot better than when I tried them out(many moons ago...don't ask how many..). I know the problems I've had mic-ing, to be honest, which is why I generally give up the ghost and go for modelling. Nice one Tom...I like the fact that you always keep at it and refine where you think it's needed.
It's sometimes said on recording forums: "never monitor using headphones": I'd qualify that by adding "unless you have to and there's other people to take into consideration"! I'll use them to see where I'm at and trawl through the many takes I have to do to get things sounding decent, yet when it comes to mixing, I find that one needs air+speakers to get a truer reference. As flat as manufacturers say their phones are, as a guitarist I never quite trust them...just my tuppenceworth.
I get the feeling/intuition that the Laney will be a true, released and galloping racehorse with volume at 11 btw :)
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Actually I quite like the tone though I see where folks are coming from. If Laneys are now like this, they sound a lot better than when I tried them out(many moons ago...don't ask how many..). I know the problems I've had mic-ing, to be honest, which is why I generally give up the ghost and go for modelling. Nice one Tom...I like the fact that you always keep at it and refine where you think it's needed.
It's sometimes said on recording forums: "never monitor using headphones": I'd qualify that by adding "unless you have to and there's other people to take into consideration"! I'll use them to see where I'm at and trawl through the many takes I have to do to get things sounding decent, yet when it comes to mixing, I find that one needs air+speakers to get a truer reference. As flat as manufacturers say their phones are, as a guitarist I never quite trust them...just my tuppenceworth.
I get the feeling/intuition that the Laney will be a true, released and galloping racehorse with volume at 11 btw :)
Yeah, mic'ing is a bit of a pain in the arse sometimes but it really sounds much better than my v-amp for recording, although that is good for late night practise and quick clips. Main problem with mic'ing amp is that it needs to be pretty loud to get a good tone, not sure the neighbours appreciate it :P
I might be interested in getting a Tonelab some time though, as the clips I've heard of it are really good. As for headphones, well I just cant afford a mixer and a set of decent monitors so was hoping headphones would do, plus I could use them for other stuff such as late night practise, listening to music etc.
The Laney IS a beast when cranked :twisted: Really cant get the sound I'm hearing in the room through a single mic.
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2 things.
1 - More Distortion
2 - More Sustain(maybe more distortion?) on the lead session.
Q:)
JP
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i like it
needs more octave chords.. a bit more in your face sound. .. a touch less distortion, a bunch more takes and you're there..
and yah.. it def has that opeth feel to it
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LESS DISTORTION??? = FAGGOTRY.
Always FULL DISTORTION, DAMN IT
hahahaahahahahahaha
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haha JP the problem is (at least with my cab) that with the gain any higher than 7/8 it gets mushy and not tight enough. I'll try it with an overdrive in front some time to tighten it up a bit, hopefully it'll have enough distortion for you then :lol:
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Ah no worries Tom
the soujnd is ALREADY very Good.
Q:)
i really Loved it.
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Seriously WFD, if you ever get to meet any Death Metal bands who you like the tone of look at how much gain is on their amps and I promise you that it will not be very high. The sounds becomes to grainy with my gain.
Tom, cool clip man! Really coming along in recording and writing! Nice one.
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I need to check that out.
but here in brazil itīs kinda hard to see a good band , and have the opportunity to check out whereīs their knobs are positioned
did i UIpset you? Sorry. it was not my intention
JP
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Not at all. Its just i see your comments on peoples clips and you think that to get a heavier tone you need more gain. You well get more definition and clarity with slightly less distortion, but with the poweramp section of your amp turned up very loud, and you will get a tighter more defined sound. Try it out sometime.
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Great again _tom_!
There's a quick shot of PG's GH100L on his new DVD, the settings are:
Resonance switch down,
Presence 10
Bass 3
Mid 4.5
Treble 4
Master 1 (maybe he needs a hotplate too!)
Gain 10
... But there's no pic of the Drive setting..
I'd be interested to see how this works in your setup.
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Great again _tom_!
There's a quick shot of PG's GH100L on his new DVD, the settings are:
Resonance switch down,
Presence 10
Bass 3
Mid 4.5
Treble 4
Master 1 (maybe he needs a hotplate too!)
Gain 10
... But there's no pic of the Drive setting..
I'd be interested to see how this works in your setup.
Paul must have really dark and middy speakers, because those settings sound awful on my setup :lol:
Seeing as mum and dad are out I just did a quick recording of a load of badly played Gilbert riffs (and some general jamming) with similar settings to the opeth clip, just lower gain. Scarified and Superheroes are just terrible :P
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/songInfo.cfm?bandID=493678&songID=4962412
edit- thanks for all the replies :D Thinking of getting a Nailbomb for my Charvel at the minute..
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that is again nice tone! not too bright, not too dark..... very good rhythm tone
individual notes sound very clear!
BM
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Nice. Cranked that will sound superb. Got that modern "smooth" thing going on very well!
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Not at all. Its just i see your comments on peoples clips and you think that to get a heavier tone you need more gain. You well get more definition and clarity with slightly less distortion, but with the poweramp section of your amp turned up very loud, and you will get a tighter more defined sound. Try it out sometime.
I tryed to play with LESS distortion.. and what sound did i get ?
less sustain on licks , slides and pull offs.. on lead section..
and kinda not enough Power .
whern i hear a sound similar to that one, it reminds me my experience with Low gain stuff.
But i do realized that , with my Nailbomb, i donīt need to put my gain more than 5 on the 5150. iīm currently using 5,1/2 , almost 6 on the 5150 gain... with some Low output pickups. and with medium and high output pickups, i use more.
Maybe itīs soemthing to do with my chops not being compatible or skilled enough to play with less distortion?!?!
i quite Love that sound of AS I LAY DYING - SHADOWS ARE SECURITY.
thats a $%&#ing great Distortion Sound.
whats yout opinion on that?
also, the best Opeth Production ever on cd is Deliverance.
Awesome drums, guitar, vocal, sound.
but i really preffer the sound of the Morningrise Bass. HAHAHAHAH
Q:p
JP
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Deliverance is 2nd favourite in recording production.... GR is easily my favourite though......
the distortion sound beats ALL! it has definition, power, grind, bass, everything!!!!!
it's my favourite guitar tone, especially on the Baying Of the Hounds
BM