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Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Vindication on February 05, 2007, 12:28:28 AM
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I wanted to avoid making a new thread to not clutter up the forum, but I haven't exactly been able to find a "looking for a new amp" thread in which the threadstarter wanted exactly what I do.
I have about USD $550-600 to spend. I live in America, so American-made amps are going to be cheaper to come by than anything else (I hear there's a lot of markup in Europe; it's not quite as bad here). I'd like a tube amp.
I mostly play metal. The amp I want should have adequate cleans, but it doesn't have to be anything spectacular. I'm not very concerned about the bluesy, low-gain drive - if I want to do that kind of stuff, I can A/B it with a Epi VJ, Fender, Peavey Classic 30, etc.
What I'm expecting is a rhythm channel that is reminiscent of the hotrodded Marshall sound of the late 70's - late 80's, except with more punch, tightness and clarity. I'd like the leads to be very precise and clear, so you can make out every note, and still be fluid - I'm talking something like Paul Gilbert or Muhammed Suicmez. I know Muhammed uses an Engl preamp, but that's out of my price range. I think Paul Gilbert uses one of the higher end Laneys, but I'm pretty sure that's out of my price range also.
With the help of Dave_MC, I've found a couple that may be to my liking (I, of course, plan on trying as many as I can):
> Used Peavey 5150 combo
> Ashdown Fallen Angel
> Randall RG50TC
> B-52 AT combos (the tube ones)
I've tried the B-52 combos - they were decent, but not exactly what I'm looking for. I recall trying a 5150 combo a while back and liking it, but I really don't remember the nuances of the amp well enough to go out and buy one without playing it again. I haven't tried the other two.
Does anybody have any other recommendations for me, or any reinforcement for the ones given already? It seems that, out of the 4 recommended to me, the 5150 would fit me the most - it'd require new tubes and some tweaking, though.
I'm not too knowledgeable on amps - I know what I want most resembles an Engl, but I'm in high school, and sadly can't afford one for a long time.
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TL;DR (for those too lazy to read above)
I need a good metal amp with decent cleans but particularly a hot-rodded Marshall crunch rhythm-wise and a really fluid, articulate, precise lead tone, for about USD $600.
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The Ashdown's meant to be good. It's all tube, and although I've never played one, but Sifu Ben has one, you should ask him.
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The Ashdown's meant to be good. It's all tube, and although I've never played one, but Sifu Ben has one, you should ask him.
Alright...I'll wait for him to look at this. I've heard WFD over here has a 5150...does he still have it? I've heard he's knowledgeable about all things high gain :twisted: I'd love his input in that case.
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I wanted to avoid making a new thread to not clutter up the forum, but I haven't exactly been able to find a "looking for a new amp" thread in which the threadstarter wanted exactly what I do.
I have about USD $550-600 to spend. I live in America, so American-made amps are going to be cheaper to come by than anything else (I hear there's a lot of markup in Europe; it's not quite as bad here). I'd like a tube amp.
I mostly play metal. The amp I want should have adequate cleans, but it doesn't have to be anything spectacular. I'm not very concerned about the bluesy, low-gain drive - if I want to do that kind of stuff, I can A/B it with a Epi VJ, Fender, Peavey Classic 30, etc.
What I'm expecting is a rhythm channel that is reminiscent of the hotrodded Marshall sound of the late 70's - late 80's, except with more punch, tightness and clarity. I'd like the leads to be very precise and clear, so you can make out every note, and still be fluid - I'm talking something like Paul Gilbert or Muhammed Suicmez. I know Muhammed uses an Engl preamp, but that's out of my price range. I think Paul Gilbert uses one of the higher end Laneys, but I'm pretty sure that's out of my price range also.
With the help of Dave_MC, I've found a couple that may be to my liking (I, of course, plan on trying as many as I can):
> Used Peavey 5150 combo
> Ashdown Fallen Angel
> Randall RG50TC
> B-52 AT combos (the tube ones)
I've tried the B-52 combos - they were decent, but not exactly what I'm looking for. I recall trying a 5150 combo a while back and liking it, but I really don't remember the nuances of the amp well enough to go out and buy one without playing it again. I haven't tried the other two.
Does anybody have any other recommendations for me, or any reinforcement for the ones given already? It seems that, out of the 4 recommended to me, the 5150 would fit me the most - it'd require new tubes and some tweaking, though.
I'm not too knowledgeable on amps - I know what I want most resembles an Engl, but I'm in high school, and sadly can't afford one for a long time.
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TL;DR (for those too lazy to read above)
I need a good metal amp with decent cleans but particularly a hot-rodded Marshall crunch rhythm-wise and a really fluid, articulate, precise lead tone, for about USD $600.
the ashdown will do everything you require but make sure you get the old one without the digital effects for somet reason the dist is a bit buzzy on the ones with the effects
If you lived in uk i know someone seling a fallen angel 60 watt head for £299
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thanks for mentioning me!
I'm not sure I can help any more... though I'm not sure how "clear" sounding the fallen angel is... it was a bit bassy and nu-metal-ish when I tried it.
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thanks for mentioning me!
I'm not sure I can help any more... though I'm not sure how "clear" sounding the fallen angel is... it was a bit bassy and nu-metal-ish when I tried it.
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that will have been one of the newer ones the older ones have a really sensitive eq you can go from really nice classic rock sounds to balls to the wall metal
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thanks for mentioning me!
I'm not sure I can help any more... though I'm not sure how "clear" sounding the fallen angel is... it was a bit bassy and nu-metal-ish when I tried it.
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Yeah, one of the main things I'm trying to avoid. I'd like it to have a really solid low-end chug, but I don't want it to be overly bassy and muddy.
I found an Ashdown dealer pretty close to me; I'll make sure to check it out.
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Is there a major difference between the old one and the new one? How would I be able to tell them apart - what years are "old" and what years are "new"? Or did you mean the ones with DSP are "new" and the ones without are "old"?
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thanks for mentioning me!
I'm not sure I can help any more... though I'm not sure how "clear" sounding the fallen angel is... it was a bit bassy and nu-metal-ish when I tried it.
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Yeah, one of the main things I'm trying to avoid. I'd like it to have a really solid low-end chug, but I don't want it to be overly bassy and muddy.
I found an Ashdown dealer pretty close to me; I'll make sure to check it out.
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Is there a major difference between the old one and the new one? How would I be able to tell them apart - what years are "old" and what years are "new"? Or did you mean the ones with DSP are "new" and the ones without are "old"?
yeah the newer ones all have the DSP i think they still make them without
i dont get why it affects the tone but it has been same on all the ones with dsp that ive tried
also try the peacemaker 60 but youll need a tubescreamer or something to go with it as the dist channel is somewhat lacking without
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yeah the newer ones all have the DSP i think they still make them without
i dont get why it affects the tone but it has been same on all the ones with dsp that ive tried
also try the peacemaker 60 but youll need a tubescreamer or something to go with it as the dist channel is somewhat lacking without
Do you have any clips of the Fallen Angel? I've Googled it, but I've been having a lot of trouble finding any.
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After searching for a while, I found some - I really didn't like it, but it was one of the "newer" models, plus the recorder didn't have a good mic.
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nope but if you go on
www.myspace.com/thefobialeeds
the song the midas touch was recorded using it for both guitar tracks
its more of a straight out metal song though so dunno if it would be of much use to you
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actually just speaking to him now valediction was also recorded using it too
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actually just speaking to him now valediction was also recorded using it too
There's no song called Valediction on there that I can see.
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he must have taken it off
you can listen to it here
http://www.hategrow.ho8.com/media/The%20Fobia/Valediction.mp3
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he must have taken it off
you can listen to it here
http://www.hategrow.ho8.com/media/The%20Fobia/Valediction.mp3
There isn't really any rhythm playing in there that stood out to me. I liked the lead tone, but the rhythm tone (on The Midas Touch) wasn't to my liking - I don't know the specifics about it, but there's just something about it that makes me not like it.
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it sounds much better now that the guitarists have nailbombs and warpigs
those were all recorded back in the emg days then again they use engls and peaveys now rather than the fallen angels
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also try a 5150/5150II the 5150II would probably be better for your needs as it has less gain and a better eq range
my only problem with them is the cleans arent too great on them but its nothing a litle chorus cant fix
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Absolutely NO for the Ashdown FA60 if youre talking about the new ones made in china.
I had one but it was really bassy and no gain which meant it couldnt do classic rock OR nu metal. and that was when it was turned up to >6/7 on the volume. With an OD pedal it sounds better but it's like a Marshall with a cold...
No idea about the older ones, but I heard good things (hence me buying the head in the first place). I think the way to tell is whether the head is upside down or not. If the tube is pointing up then its MIE if pointing downwards its MIC. Not 100% sure about that can someone rectify this?
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I'd say the 5150.
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I'd say the 5150.
I've also been finding it a bit hard to find clips of the 5150 that aren't "gain on 10, bass at 10, treble at 0" drop-C chugfests. I've found a couple that got an old Metallica Kill 'Em All-type tone, except less buzzy and more "solid", as shown here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHJeIu6pi7w). I figure with a bit of tweaking (and maybe something like JJ tubes), I can definitely get the tone I want if the general tonality of the amp is like that.
The same guy also did a medley of Metallica songs with a more ...And Justice For All type tone (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joSchSzRabY), which isn't exactly my cuppa (I really don't like that whole scooped-mids-with-EMG-is-so-metal thing), but it manages to sound good to me nevertheless.
I've also heard some clips of people playing Van Halen on the 5150, and it sounded very good - I know that the rhythm channel would have what I'm looking for now, but I'm still not too sure about the lead.
Do you know of anyone here that has one and has clips of some really precise, tight lead stuff?
Shame the Metallica man didn't play any leads...
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I don't, sorry.
I base my opinion of the 5150 on band practise... there's a band that practises in the room opposite us and I've been in and sat with them a few times and their lead guitarist is running an Ibanez through a 5150 head and the sound is VERY tight.
He compresses it a bit, which I'm not overly keen on, but out of those amps listed I'd say it's the best for metal... but I don't think they're very versatile amps at all.
If I wanted to throw a complete spanner into the works I might suggest looking at Marshall (I'm a Marshall fiend, you see) and an external, top pedal like a Krank Distortus Maximus through a JCM800 or 900.
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Have you heard any songs by Pagan's Mind? Apparently their guitarist uses a 5150 and has the perfect metal tone, its not overly high gain and I dont think he downtunes.
This guy uses a 5150 and also doesnt have a bad tone, although he uses way too much reverb -
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=Guitarwannabee
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I've got one of the original FA60s and it's a truly great amp. While it does do the new metal thing and the thrash chug thing very well, it also does a good sort of Marshall-with-a-modern-edge thing. The cleans are fantastic as well.
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Yeah, the original Fallen Angel's were really good, the new ones are horrendously cr@p now though with the DFX.
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I voted "other",
I think that if you want an ENGL sound, you should get en ENGL.
I oun a savage 60 head, which I don't think exists in the us, and is out of production, but has the sound you describe.
for your budget I'd say go for a second hand thunder combo,
or check this out:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ENGL-Type-850-2x35-Tube-Amplifier-Rack-Head_W0QQitemZ120082295888QQihZ002QQcategoryZ10171QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Its the smaller version of Muhammed's amp (rackhead 860). :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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If I wanted to throw a complete spanner into the works I might suggest looking at Marshall (I'm a Marshall fiend, you see) and an external, top pedal like a Krank Distortus Maximus through a JCM800 or 900.
I've been meaning to try a JCM800. I remember trying a 900 and I didn't like it at all. However, I'm really not looking for pedal distortion - I'd like the amp to be able to do metal by itself.
I voted "other",
I think that if you want an ENGL sound, you should get en ENGL.
I oun a savage 60 head, which I don't think exists in the us, and is out of production, but has the sound you describe.
for your budget I'd say go for a second hand thunder combo,
or check this out:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ENGL-Type-850-2x35-Tube-Amplifier-Rack-Head_W0QQitemZ120082295888QQihZ002QQcategoryZ10171QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Its the smaller version of Muhammed's amp (rackhead 860). :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Wouldn't I need some sort of power amp and speakers to go with that? That's probably going over my budget - I don't have a job and can't get one; I really can't spend much more than 600 USD. However, if I don't really need anything else besides a cabinet or something of the like, I'll definitely look into that.
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The ENGL 860 & 850 are "rackheads", which means they are coplete amp heads built into a rack :lol: both of them have preamp & poweramp and run in stereo (860 - 2x50w, 850 - 2x35w), so all you will need is a speaker cabinet.
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thanks for mentioning me!
I'm not sure I can help any more... though I'm not sure how "clear" sounding the fallen angel is... it was a bit bassy and nu-metal-ish when I tried it.
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that will have been one of the newer ones the older ones have a really sensitive eq you can go from really nice classic rock sounds to balls to the wall metal
cool, I didn't know that. I think I tried one sound control had about a year ago.
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yeah the newer ones all have the DSP i think they still make them without
i dont get why it affects the tone but it has been same on all the ones with dsp that ive tried
also try the peacemaker 60 but youll need a tubescreamer or something to go with it as the dist channel is somewhat lacking without
I don't think they make the non-dsp one any more... so (without having tried the non-dsp one), my guess is that if you can find one of those, it's an older one.
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The ENGL 860 & 850 are "rackheads", which means they are coplete amp heads built into a rack :lol: both of them have preamp & poweramp and run in stereo (860 - 2x50w, 850 - 2x35w), so all you will need is a speaker cabinet.
Ah, my bad...I read that as a preamp rack unit at first :P
This isn't relevant to amp tones, but why exactly make a head in rack form? Easy/convenient switching?
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The ENGL 860 & 850 are "rackheads", which means they are coplete amp heads built into a rack :lol: both of them have preamp & poweramp and run in stereo (860 - 2x50w, 850 - 2x35w), so all you will need is a speaker cabinet.
Ah, my bad...I read that as a preamp rack unit at first :P
This isn't relevant to amp tones, but why exactly make a head in rack form? Easy/convenient switching?
Means you can have it... in a rack....
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The ENGL 860 & 850 are "rackheads", which means they are coplete amp heads built into a rack :lol: both of them have preamp & poweramp and run in stereo (860 - 2x50w, 850 - 2x35w), so all you will need is a speaker cabinet.
Ah, my bad...I read that as a preamp rack unit at first :P
This isn't relevant to amp tones, but why exactly make a head in rack form? Easy/convenient switching?
Means you can have it... in a rack....
Rack units...in racks?
Your idea intrigues me.
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The ENGL 860 & 850 are "rackheads", which means they are coplete amp heads built into a rack :lol: both of them have preamp & poweramp and run in stereo (860 - 2x50w, 850 - 2x35w), so all you will need is a speaker cabinet.
Ah, my bad...I read that as a preamp rack unit at first :P
This isn't relevant to amp tones, but why exactly make a head in rack form? Easy/convenient switching?
Means you can have it... in a rack....
Rack units...in racks?
Your idea intrigues me.
:D :D :D
Yeah, it's mostly for studios I guess, practicality and professional tidyness.
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:D :D :D
Yeah, it's mostly for studios I guess, practicality and professional tidyness.
Alright.
Sorry to semi-spam in here...I know what I want tone-wise, but I don't know much about equipment itself.
I wish I could try that Engl. It sounds like exactly what I'm looking for - Muhammed's got a killer tone. It's Engl, so I'm assuming it's gonna have good cleans too (like the Powerball), but I'm concerned about one other thing...can it pull off a hotrodded Marshall-type crunch? I've heard complaints about the Powerball that it can do cleans and ultra high-gain, but nothing in between.
Greatly looking forward to more input, and I really appreciate all the help given so far. Lotta tolerance for a gear newbie :P
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I've been meaning to try a JCM800. I remember trying a 900 and I didn't like it at all. However, I'm really not looking for pedal distortion - I'd like the amp to be able to do metal by itself.
Fair dinkum.
I'd say that an 800 (the 2203 in particular) is one of the quintessential 80's metal amps but I think you might need a little something to really get the juice out of it... even if that came in the form of a clean boost or an overdrive pedal, just something to get another 5-10% out of the pre-amp.
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I've been meaning to try a JCM800. I remember trying a 900 and I didn't like it at all. However, I'm really not looking for pedal distortion - I'd like the amp to be able to do metal by itself.
Fair dinkum.
I'd say that an 800 (the 2203 in particular) is one of the quintessential 80's metal amps but I think you might need a little something to really get the juice out of it... even if that came in the form of a clean boost or an overdrive pedal, just something to get another 5-10% out of the pre-amp.
+1
You could also try a BBE sonic maximiser in the FX loop
Makes a JCM800 sound crushing
Adds top and bottom and gets it a lot more Zakk Wylde like
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Fair dinkum.
I'd say that an 800 (the 2203 in particular) is one of the quintessential 80's metal amps but I think you might need a little something to really get the juice out of it... even if that came in the form of a clean boost or an overdrive pedal, just something to get another 5-10% out of the pre-amp.
+1
You could also try a BBE sonic maximiser in the FX loop
Makes a JCM800 sound crushing
Adds top and bottom and gets it a lot more Zakk Wylde like
Now, let's not get hasty.
I don't like Zakk Wylde's playing, nor do I like his tone very much - it's too thick and the bottom end is really loose. (Plus, if I wanted to drink myself into a stupor and hit pinch harmonics, I would've done that already :P)
A Marshall probably isn't the thing I'm looking for lead-wise, and it might not even be high enough gain for rhythm stuff. This is why I'm kinda hesitant on them. I'll make sure to check out the JCM800 as soon as I get the chance, but I didn't make a post recommending different setups for a Marshall - I'd like to avoid having to buy thousands of trinkets to get my amp to sound good. The only things I'd probably be willing to change are the tubes, and perhaps throw an attenuator in - that's already stretching my budget severely, though.
I think you may have misunderstood me a bit - I'd like an amp that can do the hotrodded Marshall-type tones, but its main focus is a higher gain, tighter, more precise type sound.
Does anyone have any clips of that Engl rackhead? I can't find any on rocksolidamps.com.
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Well, I don't know if there is a difference tonewise between the 850 & 860 as I never tried either.
go to http://www.rocksolidamps.com/
listen to the clips in the "soundbytes" section, and talk to derek (the store owner), he is like the Tim of metal amps :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
in my view you are looking for either an ENGL or Splawn, both are expensive :(
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I wish I could try that Engl. It sounds like exactly what I'm looking for - Muhammed's got a killer tone. It's Engl, so I'm assuming it's gonna have good cleans too (like the Powerball), but I'm concerned about one other thing...can it pull off a hotrodded Marshall-type crunch? I've heard complaints about the Powerball that it can do cleans and ultra high-gain, but nothing in between.
Greatly looking forward to more input, and I really appreciate all the help given so far. Lotta tolerance for a gear newbie :P
Something like a blackmore/savage/screamer would do the hot-rodded marshall better than something like a powerball, IMO- but obviously a hot-rodded marshall (or clone/similar style amp) would do the hot-rodded marshall tone better.
Though, I haven't tried any of the engls with EL34's- but they also tend to be the most expensive ones.
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The Ashdown is not much of a favourite on this forum, i remember when i asked about them and people complained of melting and heating up and generally not that good for the price.
The Peavey is always a good choice i think going on the amount of bands and players that use them, you can get great tones from it.
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^ yeah, i mean I figured when I tried it it was alright for the price (at one stage the 40 watt combo was down to about £240), but if you can get a better amp (e.g. peavey 5150) for a similar price then go for it.
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^ yeah, i mean I figured when I tried it it was alright for the price (at one stage the 40 watt combo was down to about £240), but if you can get a better amp (e.g. peavey 5150) for a similar price then go for it.
So I figure my choices boil down to the 5150 and that Engl rackhead.
I'm really interested in the rackhead - I wasn't aware they were this cheap. There are no clips of the 850 or 860 on rocksolidamps, I mentioned that already. There are, however, some other poweramps and preamps.
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Awhile ago I was searching for soundclips of the 860 all over the net with no luck. info on that model is really scarce. from what I could gather it should sound like the missing link between the savage and blackmore heads (has same basic preamp design).I have no Idea about the 850 though.
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Awhile ago I was searching for soundclips of the 860 all over the net with no luck. info on that model is really scarce. from what I could gather it should sound like the missing link between the savage and blackmore heads (has same basic preamp design).I have no Idea about the 850 though.
That sounds freakin' sweet.
I'd really like to try before I buy - I think my parents would kill me otherwise.
However, if this is as good as it sounds...I'm really tempted :(
It's not even listed on the Engl site, let alone rocksolidamps.com...
EDIT: The 850 is exactly the same thing, but with lower wattage, right?
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I don't know if there is a difference, you can ask the seller.
I baught my savage 60 without hearing it (cut after endless net research), 'cause I live in a shitehole, and don't regret it. love my amp.
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if that's true that the rack Engl is a cross between a blackmore and savage, I suspect you'd like it for the tones you're after, but I can't say for certain because obviously personal preference and all, and also that guy's idea of a cross between a blackmore and savage mightn't be my idea, lol.
Another thing to consider is that if the two are a different wattage, they may use different power tubes (maybe not, but worth checking), and if they do, they'll probably sound quite a bit different.
bear in mind, I haven't tried any engl rack gear, I have no idea how good it is.
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Dave, don't you have a Savage?
If you do, what are you going to replace the tubes with, when you have to?
If the 850 is just of a lower wattage (no different tubes or anything) then that's probably more what I'm looking for.
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Dave, don't you have a Savage?
If you do, what are you going to replace the tubes with, when you have to?
If the 850 is just of a lower wattage (no different tubes or anything) then that's probably more what I'm looking for.
i have a savage se... similar, a bit smoother (from what I hear, I've never actually been able to find a savage to try), with reverb and a few other extra features (pentode/triode is cool) and 6L6's or 5881's instead of the 6550's in the savage.
I'm hoping my uncle has enough spare NOS 6L6's lying around (and hopefully they match closely enough) when I need to swap 'em.
It could still sound a little different with fewer (but the same) tubes, but probably not anywhere near as much different as one with different tubes. (the rack one you're looking at, that is)
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It could still sound a little different with fewer (but the same) tubes, but probably not anywhere near as much different as one with different tubes. (the rack one you're looking at, that is)
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Just in case there are different tubes (that I might want to replace), what do you think of JJs, Teslas and Tungsols?
Also, can anyone recommend a good cabinet that won't break the wallet to go along with the Engl? I'm looking for something tight and responsive but that can still resonate well when you need it to.
Once again, this may be a bit too much to ask for my budget, but an Engl in my price range has already been found, so....
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I just got a framus 2x12 (2 celastion v30).
really good for 300 euro 8)
but its a mono cabinet so you will need to mod it for stereo if you get one
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Just in case there are different tubes (that I might want to replace), what do you think of JJs, Teslas and Tungsols?
can't help you there, man, I haven't tried 'em.
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Now, I can't believe I forgot to mention this...
I don't have the money right now. Won't have it for a little while.
Do those Engls usually go that cheap?
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Sorry to resurrect this thread, but it isn't too far back and I wanted to get some more things clarified.
Today I went to the store and played a 6505 head - I was really underwhelmed. It sounded buzzy and farty no matter how much I tweaked the EQ - I'm guessing that's a result of the cr@ppy bias job it comes with stock.
I remember being impressed by the 5150 combo I played, but they've yet to get one in that I could play on in both the Sam Ash and Guitar Center in my area.
I listened to clips of the RG50TC and it seemed pretty good, distortion-wise - pretty close to what I'm looking for. However, I'm not sure if its cleans are very good (then again, the 5150 doesn't have particularly awe-inspiring cleans either :)). Does anyone have more info on them?
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^ the cleans on the randall are better than the 5150, that's for sure. What I wasn't too fussed on with the randall is that you have clean, a kind of pushed clean (good for maybe lighter classic rock), and then you're pretty much into metal- from the voicing even if not the amount of gain. Not too much in-between.
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^ the cleans on the randall are better than the 5150, that's for sure. What I wasn't too fussed on with the randall is that you have clean, a kind of pushed clean (good for maybe lighter classic rock), and then you're pretty much into metal- from the voicing even if not the amount of gain. Not too much in-between.
I see.
I suppose I can get an Epi VJ and an overdrive pedal later on, or something similar - at the moment, I really can't afford to go much more than the 5150 or RG50TC would go for used.
Do you know of anybody that might have clips of the Randall doing cleans and metal, and perhaps even some of the things it's not so good with?
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^ I don't know of any clips, unfortunately.
Also, I'd say the 5150 is a better amp. Not amazingly versatile, but what it does well, it does very well (and it probably does the rock thing better than the randall, and definitely does metal better). The randall is pretty much a budget amp.
I'm not sure about a VJ- that'll cover classic rock pretty well, not so much harder, more modern rock (eg 80's), which the randall doesn't do too well either.
I'd say 5150, seeing as how you're in the states, as they're pretty good value. That being said, twilight odyssey had two which both broke on him, you might want to see what he has to say about them.
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what sort of volume did you play the 6505 at? I tried one out in a shop (with an amp booth) and had the master on 2 which was already very loud. It sounded amazing for metal, not buzzy or loose at all - just begs you to play Metallica riffs from the Puppets/Justice era (just has that kind of natural EQ to it imo).
As I may have mentioned one or twice :roll: this amp is on my list as 'next to buy'. I'm gonna get the 6505+ model. The new credit card sitting here is getting VERY tempting.
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^ I don't know of any clips, unfortunately.
Also, I'd say the 5150 is a better amp. Not amazingly versatile, but what it does well, it does very well (and it probably does the rock thing better than the randall, and definitely does metal better). The randall is pretty much a budget amp.
I'm not sure about a VJ- that'll cover classic rock pretty well, not so much harder, more modern rock (eg 80's), which the randall doesn't do too well either.
I'd say 5150, seeing as how you're in the states, as they're pretty good value. That being said, twilight odyssey had two which both broke on him, you might want to see what he has to say about them.
Right. I'll take your word for it, seeing as I can't find an RG50TC around here.
About the breaking thing, though - I've heard similar comments a bit; maybe they aren't very low-upkeep? That might be a bit of a problem for me, as I've never owned a tube amp, and only know the basics of what to do (using the standby).
what sort of volume did you play the 6505 at? I tried one out in a shop (with an amp booth) and had the master on 2 which was already very loud. It sounded amazing for metal, not buzzy or loose at all - just begs you to play Metallica riffs from the Puppets/Justice era (just has that kind of natural EQ to it imo).
As I may have mentioned one or twice :roll: this amp is on my list as 'next to buy'. I'm gonna get the 6505+ model. The new credit card sitting here is getting VERY tempting.
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I didn't play the 6505 very loud.
I'd love to be able to play loud, but I'm afraid I can't - the parents and the neighbors might get kinda mad :P
It's actually one of the main problems I have with the 5150/6505 - the thing is goddamn LOUD. I'm not gigging any time soon, and while I wouild like an amp that I could gig with later on (when I don't suck), I need something that I can play at home and get a good tone out of without being kicked out by my parents.
I'd like to see what I could pull off with a Hotplate, but I'm hard-pressed for cash as it is, seeing as I can't work and don't even have the money saved up yet.
By the way: Electric Wizard is awesome.