Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: BloodMountain on February 12, 2007, 01:27:01 PM
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hi
can anyone compare these two pickups please?
im really not sure which one to get, and im sure more people would benefit from this info, just a straight up comparison.
thanks a lot, BM
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The A5 WP is more organic, mids are more detailed and the highs are sweeter.
CWP is more surgical, higher gain (though not by that much), tighter and sharper with smoother mids.
I'd go for the CWP if youre leaning toward very fast, precise heavy music, WP if you love mids and arent gonna play anything that needs to much exactitude: the WP can do that but the CWP does it better.
Hope this helped.
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Don't know if this helps, but I plan on uploading a clip of my Ibanez with the Ceramic Warpig pretty soon. It will be "Worlds Within The Margin" by In Flames recorded through a Damage Control Demonizer.
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judging by soundclips i prefer the alnico pig
the ceramic sounds tighter and heavier, but too bright and crispy
i wanna hear some alnico miracle man clips :?
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Don't know if this helps, but I plan on uploading a clip of my Ibanez with the Ceramic Warpig pretty soon. It will be "Worlds Within The Margin" by In Flames recorded through a Damage Control Demonizer.
if you can, that would be great!
do you think that Tim could wind the CWP to make it sound less bright? because right now, the brightness of the pickup sounds too much for my liking....... hmmmm and i would also like to have an organic tone myself...... this is a hard one....
BM
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do you think that Tim could wind the CWP to make it sound less bright? because right now, the brightness of the pickup sounds too much for my liking....... hmmmm and i would also like to have an organic tone myself...... this is a hard one....
BM
I would approach it the other way then...I'd ask him to wind an Alnico V Warpig to be brighter, if that's even necessary. Both sound great to me in the sound clips, but to confirm, the CWP is quite bright.
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TonyGibson,
do you have some heavy demonizer clips? :twisted:
i've read about a 23k overwound alnico miracle man :roll:
i'm curious about how it sounds :?
maybe like a sharper and less mid-heavy alnico warpig :P
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TonyGibson,
do you have some heavy demonizer clips? :twisted:
i've read about a 23k overwound alnico miracle man :roll:
i'm curious about how it sounds :?
maybe like a sharper and less mid-heavy alnico warpig :P
Here's a quick and dirty clip I did two seconds ago. Basically it's my Ibanez with the ceramic painkiller into my Maxon overdrive into the Demonizer into the POD xt via USB. Don't mind the sloppiness...I did it quickly as I gotta get to bed soon. I'll record some better ones in a few days. The next ones I'll record will be much cleaner and without the POD...meaning it will be the Demonizer straight into the computer.
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=4D3216073BDE9D54
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so, the CWP is really bright?
ugh, I don't want a really bright pickup... this complicates things even further :(
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so, the CWP is really bright?
ugh, I don't want a really bright pickup... this complicates things even further :(
that's exactly what im thinking at the moment! :( maybe we should just go for Alnico Warpigs? or could Tim wind them so that they have the same gain as the Ceramics....
BM
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TonyGibson,
do you have some heavy demonizer clips? :twisted:
i've read about a 23k overwound alnico miracle man :roll:
i'm curious about how it sounds :?
maybe like a sharper and less mid-heavy alnico warpig :P
Here's a quick and dirty clip I did two seconds ago. Basically it's my Ibanez with the ceramic painkiller into my Maxon overdrive into the Demonizer into the POD xt via USB. Don't mind the sloppiness...I did it quickly as I gotta get to bed soon. I'll record some better ones in a few days. The next ones I'll record will be much cleaner and without the POD...meaning it will be the Demonizer straight into the computer.
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=4D3216073BDE9D54
Don't you mean Ceramic Warpig????
It sounds very awesome, but i can see the brightness now, which isn't what i want. Alnico it is then, i suppose.
BM
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I have an Alnico WP set in an SG, definitely dark ... can't compare to the ceramic pigs other than the clips I've heard - but based on that I would agree with MDV. The Alnico Pig is more middy (NOT muddy) and has a warmer sound than the ceramic version. Can do a pretty precise chug too, I must get round to uploading some clips sometime ...
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has it got over the top gain??? i want it that way, so i can make medium gain amps sound heavy :twisted:
BM
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My sole reason for picking ceramic is that this guitar will eventually (as in this week) be tuned to C Standard and Drop B. I would *think* that a ceramic pickup would be better for that top of tuning than Alnico due to the clarity and bite of the ceramic magnet. That's all theory of course and I'm sure the Alnico works for alternate (lower) tunings as well.
Also, I'm generally playing this guitar through a Mesa/Boogie which I consider to be a very dark amp as it is. Combine the toppy nature of the CWP with the dark nature of Mesa amps and you have a pretty well rounded (yet devestating) metal sound.
Bloodmountain, just so you know, I CRANKED the tone control on my Maxon and Demonizer...I personally like a very bright sound, so don't think that's what it always sounds like. I can try to post another one tonight without the Maxon.
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My sole reason for picking ceramic is that this guitar will eventually (as in this week) be tuned to C Standard and Drop B. I would *think* that a ceramic pickup would be better for that top of tuning than Alnico due to the clarity and bite of the ceramic magnet. That's all theory of course and I'm sure the Alnico works for alternate (lower) tunings as well.
Also, I'm generally playing this guitar through a Mesa/Boogie which I consider to be a very dark amp as it is. Combine the toppy nature of the CWP with the dark nature of Mesa amps and you have a pretty well rounded (yet devestating) metal sound.
Bloodmountain, just so you know, I CRANKED the tone control on my Maxon and Demonizer...I personally like a very bright sound, so don't think that's what it always sounds like. I can try to post another one tonight without the Maxon.
i see.
oh and check out Drac's clips of Alnico Warpigs in a Baritone guitar, it sounds deadly and crushing! he did 2 clips....
BM
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If i can get my Alnico Warpig Wired up into a guitar again, I'l be able to do a comparison of the two as i've ordered some Ceramic Piggys.
Mikey
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thanks!!!!!
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My sole reason for picking ceramic is that this guitar will eventually (as in this week) be tuned to C Standard and Drop B. I would *think* that a ceramic pickup would be better for that top of tuning than Alnico due to the clarity and bite of the ceramic magnet. That's all theory of course and I'm sure the Alnico works for alternate (lower) tunings as well.
Also, I'm generally playing this guitar through a Mesa/Boogie which I consider to be a very dark amp as it is. Combine the toppy nature of the CWP with the dark nature of Mesa amps and you have a pretty well rounded (yet devestating) metal sound.
In terms of clarity ceramic will give the edge, all things being equal, but you cant take the guitar out of the picture, and the WP in a clear-wooded guitar (a strat, say) would stay clear through to VERY low tunings.
Clarity is more a property of pairing woods with pickups, than just pickups. I mean, I just re-fitted a mates jackson rhoads V with a gibbo 498T bridge: I hated these pickups because in gibbos they often sound woolly, especially in SGs and didnt expect good results. In his maple/basswood V it was fantastic...go figure!
Both my A5 WP and CWP are on guitars in various states of detuning (drop B is a favourite of mine) and I have no clarity complaints at all: one may be better than the other, but both easily pass muster. (FYI so you can see the woods the A5 WP is in a Jackson DX1 (rock maple/basswood) and the CWP is in this http://www.legraguitars.co.uk/mdv602.htm )[/url]
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In terms of clarity ceramic will give the edge, all things being equal, but you cant take the guitar out of the picture
Very true...mine is in an Ibanez S Classic with 25.1 scale bolt-on maple neck so it's bound to be bright as hell (and it is :D)
You bring up a good point...we sometimes get lost in the fact that the pickups make a big difference in sound, but the same pickup can sound dramatically different in different guitars. I actually find this true of EMG's as well...I used to LOVE the EMG 60 in the neck of my Ibanez, but it sounded very different (read: worse) in the neck of my Les Paul. If that's true of active pickups, it's more true of passive pickups,
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my new pickup is going in an all Mahogany Dean Razorback..... what would each sound like in that?
BM
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Both will sound fantastic. Its just a question of what feel you want to go for: heavy and organic, middy and smooth highs, or heavy and tight and surgical with smooth mids.
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i'm looking for smooth, not boosted or piercing, highs, middy, and HUGE ASS BASS! oh yeah, and you can't forget the heavy and the metal 8)
organic sound more like me than surgical......
BM
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i'm looking for smooth, not boosted or piercing, highs, middy, and HUGE ASS BASS! oh yeah, and you can't forget the heavy and the metal 8)
organic sound more like me than surgical......
BM
Definitely grab the Alnico Warpig. And then in the future get a ceramic for another guitar. 8)
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i'm looking for smooth, not boosted or piercing, highs, middy, and HUGE ASS BASS! oh yeah, and you can't forget the heavy and the metal 8)
organic sound more like me than surgical......
BM
Definitely grab the Alnico Warpig. And then in the future get a ceramic for another guitar. 8)
Ah, the perfect plan 8)
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i'm looking for smooth, not boosted or piercing, highs, middy, and HUGE ASS BASS! oh yeah, and you can't forget the heavy and the metal 8)
organic sound more like me than surgical......
BM
Ah, now me, I am looking for piercing/biting/screaming highs [:)], and while I like bass, I wouldn't want to sacrifice the highs to get it. Oh, and I like a solid midrange too...
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yeah, i agree with the mids. nice n solid n clear. great for my kind of Metal sound! not so great for ultra scooped thrash though.
I am willing to sacrifice highs for bass........ i love bass! on that note, today, i got my practice amp, rolled the highs from 7.5 to 4, then upped the volume and BOOM!!!! my room was SHAKING!!!!! oh how i love bass.....
BM
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Go alnico!
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Go alnico!
my thoughts exactly. plus, i've always liked the sound of the Nailbomb too, so Alnico will give me a slight hint of that tone..... crossed with bone crushing gain and bass :twisted:
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i'm loving Drac's clips of the Alnico Warpig, sounds like the exact tone i want!!!!!!, bassy, organic, heavy........ it's awesome!
BM
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i want the bottom end of alnico warpig, tighness of miracle man and the mids and clarity of holy diver :?
is it possible in just one pickup?
i want the perfect combination of absolute tone and power :twisted:
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Ceramic pig or miracle man is the closest you'll get. Depends what gain lvel you want.
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i want an alnico pickup
i think miracle man doesn't have the mids i want and ceramic warpig is too crispy
i want that sound of holy diver, but tight like a miracle man and powerful like an alnico warpig
how alnico miracle man sounds on the mids (specially low mids)?
alnico 5 magnets make some pickups sound more scooped than ceramic magnets, so i don't know if it would add or decrease mids
maybe a 23k overwound miracle man with alnico 5 magnet
i'm thinking of alnico 8 magnet too cause it's a little brighter and gives more mids than a5, but tim doesn't like this magnet
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ask Tim, see what he can do while he is Winding the pickup. if it is overwound, does that increase tightness? i heard something about that, but i'm not too sure.....
BM