Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: TonyGibson on February 13, 2007, 02:01:52 AM
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What do y'all use for tuning to D, C, or B standard? I put together a set of my own for my Ibanez...basically I took the bottom 3 strings of the Zakk Wylde 10 set, and replaced the top 3 with GHS 11's.
Anyone have any other sets they recommend? I was also checking out Ernie Ball not even Slinkies.
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What do y'all use for tuning to D, C, or B standard? I put together a set of my own for my Ibanez...basically I took the bottom 3 strings of the Zakk Wylde 10 set, and replaced the top 3 with GHS 11's.
Anyone have any other sets they recommend? I was also checking out Ernie Ball not even Slinkies.
what tuning do you use that lot for?
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When I went down to D, I used .12's and when I went down to C for a short time I found that .13's were the best... plus a re-setup/intonation check of the ol' guitar of course.
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What do y'all use for tuning to D, C, or B standard? I put together a set of my own for my Ibanez...basically I took the bottom 3 strings of the Zakk Wylde 10 set, and replaced the top 3 with GHS 11's.
Anyone have any other sets they recommend? I was also checking out Ernie Ball not even Slinkies.
what tuning do you use that lot for?
C standard...for fun (and education) I'm learning a bunch of old In Flames and Arch Enemy songs.
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aren't the 3 high strings too loose?
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aren't the 3 high strings too loose?
Not with the bottom 3 being the Zakk "10" set. The 10's that it originally came with are way too lose, that's why I replaced them with 11's.
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aren't the 3 high strings too loose?
Not with the bottom 3 being the Zakk "10" set. The 10's that it originally came with are way too lose, that's why I replaced them with 11's.
how does the bottom strings being thick make the higher stings more tense? :?
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aren't the 3 high strings too loose?
Not with the bottom 3 being the Zakk "10" set. The 10's that it originally came with are way too lose, that's why I replaced them with 11's.
how does the bottom strings being thick make the higher stings more tense? :?
Here's what I mean...the "Stock" Zakk Wylde set is horribly unbalanced. Check it out:
10, 13, 17, 36, 52, 60
So what I had done was taken the bottom 3 (36, 52, 60) and tossed the top three in the trash (10, 13, 17).
That leaves me with the bottom 3...so now I need a new top 3 strings, and I use the GHS 11's like so: 11, 15, 18
So basically my set now looks like this: 11, 15, 18, 36, 52, 60 as opposed to the original: 10, 13, 17, 36, 52, 60
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i understand that, yeah... but i meant something else, but that doesn't matter really....
wouldn't the 11s still be too light though?
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i understand that, yeah... but i meant something else, but that doesn't matter really....
wouldn't the 11s still be too light though?
They're not too light, but they're not exactly what I want...which is why my next setup on my CWP equipped Ibanez will have the following guages for C Standard tuning:
12, 16, 19, 36, 52, 60
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i understand that, yeah... but i meant something else, but that doesn't matter really....
wouldn't the 11s still be too light though?
They're not too light, but they're not exactly what I want...which is why my next setup on my CWP equipped Ibanez will have the following guages for C Standard tuning:
12, 16, 19, 36, 52, 60
thats killer!
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As a general rule of thumb 0.001 difference is equivelant to half a step. This gets mixed up if you mix sets but basically 10s in Eb will have the same tension as 9s in E and so on.
personally I go:
D: 10-56
C: Dont play in it but if I did I'd detune one of my C# guitars which is 11-60
B: 11-70
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Standard 24.75 scale guitar: .11-54
Standard 24.75 scale guitar: .10-.52
Drop D: Same as standards. I don't have enough guitars for all those seperate tunnings, plus its just fine dropped.
I remember going down to Eb on my .11-54 and no $%&#ing way it was like a .10-52 in standard. Still stronger.
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Oh, yeah: all my guitars are 25.5
I just aint got no time fo nuttin else,yo.
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i understand that, yeah... but i meant something else, but that doesn't matter really....
wouldn't the 11s still be too light though?
I find 11's too light in E lol.
13's for anything lower than E for me, and a wound 3rd at all times. Big plain strings sound horrible, like they're always choking.
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hmmmm..... my dad said that my guitar (Razorback, in case you don't know!) could only handle up to 13s...... is this true???
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I sincerely doubt it.
Worst case: you have to get some more springs. The strings will fit.
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hmmmm..... my dad said that my guitar (Razorback, in case you don't know!) could only handle up to 13s...... is this true???
if you tune it to E, and put heavier strings on, the bridge might start to lean forward, and the headstock might start to bend inwards. However if you downtune, the tension will be alot less, and you should be fine. There is also the detail with filing the nut to accept thicker strings...
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hmmmm..... my dad said that my guitar (Razorback, in case you don't know!) could only handle up to 13s...... is this true???
if you tune it to E, and put heavier strings on, the bridge might start to lean forward, and the headstock might start to bend inwards. However if you downtune, the tension will be alot less, and you should be fine. There is also the detail with filing the nut to accept thicker strings...
surely with a locking nut, you don't have this problem?????
yeah, he must be talking cr@p. (my dad). new springs, no problem. i'll remember, when i've put the strings on, not to tune to standard. maybe C# standard sounds good :twisted:
BM
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surely with a locking nut, you don't have this problem?????
yeah, he must be talking cr@p. (my dad). new springs, no problem. i'll remember, when i've put the strings on, not to tune to standard. maybe C# standard sounds good :twisted:
BM
locking nut doesnt change the amount tension your strings exert on the headstock or the neck, it just immobilizes them so a trem doesn't put them out of tune. If anything, it will redirect the tension to pull more at the nut, encouraging warping. But in C# tuning, you should definately be fine.
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surely with a locking nut, you don't have this problem?????
yeah, he must be talking cr@p. (my dad). new springs, no problem. i'll remember, when i've put the strings on, not to tune to standard. maybe C# standard sounds good :twisted:
BM
locking nut doesnt change the amount tension your strings exert on the headstock or the neck, it just immobilizes them so a trem doesn't put them out of tune. If anything, it will redirect the tension to pull more at the nut, encouraging warping. But in C# tuning, you should definately be fine.
i wasn't really talking about the tension...... i mean having to cut the nut to fit the strings, surely a locking nut wouldn't need this done?
BM
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also another thing: would GHS Boomers 12-52 (with wound 3rd) be good for C# standard? the model number/code is: DYL
thanks, BM
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Oh yeah... locking nuts do have large slots dont they... then it shouldnt matter hahaha
12-52 would be great for C#. It will be super tight and chunky. Oh, and the wound third is just a matter of preference, if you do powerchords over the 3rd and 4th strings, a wound 3rd will keep the tone chunky and nice.
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i tend to use that string during riffs, yeah. i bet they'll be awesome. it would get in the way a bit while shredding, but i don't really shred, just riffs mainly, so i should be fine.
thanks a lot the_bleeding!
BM
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I'm using set of 10s in D std right now playing Mastodon and it is a bit loose but not too bad. I think 12s would be perfect for 24.75" guitar in D std. Or maybe a skinny top heavy bottom set.
Somebody mentioned Zakk Wilde sets having strange gauges. Well thats because of the way he tunes his guitar. I think its like Eb but with the 6th string tuned way low. Very strange.
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I tune to B (BEADF#B) & I use D'Addario 9's... Chuck the high string away & stick a 58 on the bottom. It's keeps the strings at the same tension as it would if I had it in standard tuning with just 9's on. So, if on the very rae occurance that I decide to re-string back in E I don't have to spend forever re-setting the bridge & stuff.
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wow. u guys all amaze me. i used to use 12-52s tuned to standard E on my flying V, but found they sound to bright. I still use 11-48s and to 48s and even tune to E. if i play a guitar with standard strings my pick attack become sloppy and un-articulate, on my solos i overbend every other note and miss half my pick strokes because the string doesnt snap back to where it should before i hit it again.
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wow. u guys all amaze me. i used to use 12-52s tuned to standard E on my flying V, but found they sound to bright. I still use 11-48s and to 48s and even tune to E. if i play a guitar with standard strings my pick attack become sloppy and un-articulate, on my solos i overbend every other note and miss half my pick strokes because the string doesnt snap back to where it should before i hit it again.
You find it amazing that we don't have superhuman strength?
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wow. u guys all amaze me. i used to use 12-52s tuned to standard E on my flying V, but found they sound to bright. I still use 11-48s and to 48s and even tune to E. if i play a guitar with standard strings my pick attack become sloppy and un-articulate, on my solos i overbend every other note and miss half my pick strokes because the string doesnt snap back to where it should before i hit it again.
I have found a kindred spirit, except I changed directly from a set of 9s which had more tension than a set of 13s.
I used to live in constant fear of having to replace the high e too :cry:
Has anyone else found that?
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wow. u guys all amaze me. i used to use 12-52s tuned to standard E on my flying V, but found they sound to bright. I still use 11-48s and to 48s and even tune to E. if i play a guitar with standard strings my pick attack become sloppy and un-articulate, on my solos i overbend every other note and miss half my pick strokes because the string doesnt snap back to where it should before i hit it again.
You find it amazing that we don't have superhuman strength?
why shouldnt you? after all, i woke up one morning feeling particularly strong, and i rolled out of bed to face the winter's sun, and as i stood there in all my glory, shining in body oil on every part of my body that was not covered by my glorious loincloth, with my hair blowing gracefully in the wind, i raised my sword to the heavens, and was crowned as the king of metal, the savior who shall crush all that is not true and epic...FOR ODIN!!!
:D
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wow. u guys all amaze me. i used to use 12-52s tuned to standard E on my flying V, but found they sound to bright. I still use 11-48s and to 48s and even tune to E. if i play a guitar with standard strings my pick attack become sloppy and un-articulate, on my solos i overbend every other note and miss half my pick strokes because the string doesnt snap back to where it should before i hit it again.
You find it amazing that we don't have superhuman strength?
why shouldnt you? after all, i woke up one morning feeling particularly strong, and i rolled out of bed to face the winter's sun, and as i stood there in all my glory, shining in body oil on every part of my body that was not covered by my glorious loincloth, with my hair blowing gracefully in the wind, i raised my sword to the heavens, and was crowned as the king of metal, the savior who shall crush all that is not true and epic...FOR ODIN!!!
:D
You've honestly made my day.
I've saved that quote and shall use it whenever I'm talking to mates about anything on this subject :D
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sweet! do i get a cookie or anything? cause that would be epic.
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wow. u guys all amaze me. i used to use 12-52s tuned to standard E on my flying V, but found they sound to bright. I still use 11-48s and to 48s and even tune to E. if i play a guitar with standard strings my pick attack become sloppy and un-articulate, on my solos i overbend every other note and miss half my pick strokes because the string doesnt snap back to where it should before i hit it again.
As I said on the previous page, anything below 12's is of no use to me in any tuning. 12-56 in E ftw.
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sweet! do i get a cookie or anything? cause that would be epic.
You get a cookie and a muffin.
One of those so called "English Muffins" which don't exist anywhere other than America.
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^^^BROOTAL. :twisted:
what kind of picks do you use btw? i recently switched to Dunlop Jazz IIIs and i love em. they are tiny so they take some getting used to, but after about 2-3 hours any other pick feels sloppy and bulky. they really tighten up your pick attack because they are pointy as hell and are like 1.5mm thick.
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Pickboy exclusively. I prefer the plastic ones (black) with the raised grip, tis a shame you have to get them imported really since nobody in England sells them, but the Ceramic (white) are alot easier to find and they're still awesome.
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I have an Ibanez RG490F (Floyd Rose-style bridge) and my tuning is: A-E-A-D-F#-B. I use D'Addario 'Jazz' Strings (13s) (I play hardcore/metal, not Jazz!), and the tension is *almost* identical to the 9s the guitar had been set up with before I tuned down. I only had to adjust the tension a little - the set up is not 100% there yet, but it's really very, very close!
I've also done this to a Marlin (no idea what type, horrible horrible guitar, but used as the experiment!). That also worked fine, but if you do switch to 13 gauge, or even 12 gauge, string sets, make sure the bit where the string goes to the machine heads at the end of the neck is big enough to cope (or metal). Cheap guitars often have a plastic bit for the strings to sit in, here, and they can snap if you don't file them down - this would be a nightmare!
(I'm talking about the "other" end from the bridge, but I can't think of the word just now!).
I use Stubby Triangle picks (2.0mm). Work nicely :)
Roo
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roobubba, welcome to the forum.
do you mean the nut?
anyone, would i use 12-54 sets for a 24.75 inch scale Floyd Rose guitar tuned to C# Standard? (dean razorback, to be precise)
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I use 13-56 on my SG and that's in C standard/drop A# - I'd recommend it, anything flabbier would be lame.
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yeah, but the scale is different on an SG, isn't it?
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Hails Guys
iīm having a $%&#ing Dillema here.(Dillemma? Dilemma??Dilema?)
iīm using 013 standard by daddario on my 25,5 Schecter Avenger. tuned to C standard.
and itīs ok, but i wish the 6th string was tighter than it actually is.
and iīm using 012 standard by daddario on my D standard tuned Charvelfusion deluxe. 24,75 scale Length.
itīs ok but i wish it was tighter Too.
and iīm planning to switch from E to D standard on my ESP mii Deluxe.
which has a 25, 1/2 scale Length
do you think it will be tight and ok with 011īs?
i need some 0.60 sets . but itīs hard to find here .
JP
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Hails Guys
iīm having a #$%!& Dillema here.(Dillemma? Dilemma??Dilema?)
iīm using 013 standard by daddario on my 25,5 Schecter Avenger. tuned to C standard.
and itīs ok, but i wish the 6th string was tighter than it actually is.
and iīm using 012 standard by daddario on my D standard tuned Charvelfusion deluxe. 24,75 scale Length.
itīs ok but i wish it was tighter Too.
and iīm planning to switch from E to D standard on my ESP mii Deluxe.
which has a 25, 1/2 scale Length
do you think it will be tight and ok with 011īs?
i need some 0.60 sets . but itīs hard to find here .
JP
by 6th string do you mean the low e????
best bet is what i do heavy bottom strings
i use .10s heavy bottoms for tunings down to drop c
the low e is a slightly thicker than normal which keeps the tension just fine
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yeah, 6th=low E.
what is the string measures , manufacturer of this 10īs heavy bottomīs?
Hails and thankīs in advance.
JP
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yeah, 6th=low E.
what is the string measures , manufacturer of this 10īs heavy bottomīs?
Hails and thankīs in advance.
JP
no idea off top of my head ill just check i know of two manufacturers that make them ernie ball (ive used these but they break often)
and daddario much better
you can get them in the usual guages 9, 10, 11 etc
just look them up on google im sure youll find them
the ernie ball ones are called skinny top heavy bottoms unsure about the daddario
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yeah, 6th=low E.
what is the string measures , manufacturer of this 10īs heavy bottomīs?
Hails and thankīs in advance.
JP
It's only a 52, if ou're not happy with the 56, it'll be no use at all.
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Yah
then, if i could find a Low E string in the 58 Gauge, it would be kinda perfect i think
If not,iīll have to try out that 60īS low E.
Q:p
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Yah
then, if i could find a Low E string in the 58 Gauge, it would be kinda perfect i think
If not,iīll have to try out that 60īS low E.
Q:p
GHS zakk wylde boomers
i know the e string is ridiculous on them
so ridiculous it wont fir through the machine head on my ibanez.
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iv dean markley 11-52 tuned down a step and a half and it works perfectly, i used to use 11's in standard cuz i liked tight tension but recently been using smaller strings, im looking to try the ghs boomers low 11-53 with a thicker core.
plus just thought id throw this in, i cant stand ernie ball, just not my thing
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iv dean markley 11-52 tuned down a step and a half and it works perfectly, i used to use 11's in standard cuz i liked tight tension but recently been using smaller strings, im looking to try the ghs boomers low 11-53 with a thicker core.
plus just thought id throw this in, i cant stand ernie ball, just not my thing
me too they break too easily and become flat sounding quicly
i use daddarios normally
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ernie ball just sound like their played in to much,no twang or anything, but if this works for anyone else then all fine n good