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Title: Marshall or Fender
Post by: Dennis on February 13, 2007, 09:34:13 PM
Well, since I was bored, and somewhat liked the "strat or les paul" thread, I thought, why not an amp thread  :lol:

So....what does it for you?
A Fender amp or a Marshall amp (well, I had to choose two opposites, mostly associated with the strat and the LP  :wink: )


I have played over some great fender amps, and I would really love to have a Twin, that clean is soooo nice!
But lots of Fenders do not have the distorted tones I like.

I hear lots of bands using marshalls, which in some cases even sounds pretty good!
But every time I play a marshall, it just sounds like cr@p (and not only because of my playing), for some reason it just doesn't fit me quite well...

So for me no Fender and also no Marshall  :D
Title: Marshall or Fender
Post by: TwilightOdyssey on February 13, 2007, 09:47:56 PM
Marshall is a Fender PDT_008

Or, at least, a Fender with a bad cough.  :roll:
Title: Marshall or Fender
Post by: Simon D on February 13, 2007, 09:59:14 PM
If I have to choose between those two, I'd probably go for Marshall, on the basis that I haven't played a single Fender amp which has suited my style, whereas I've been able to get more or less what I want from most Marshalls I've played through.

That's not to say Fender don't have some nice amps, I just haven't been lucky enough to find one I like.

However, I actually play (like quite a few around here) a Laney - just does everything I need. If money were no object, I could be tempted by any number of things - Cornell, Cornford, Mesa Boogie, Peavey JSX, Bad Cat, Bogner, Engl - the list goes on and on....  :)
Title: Marshall or Fender
Post by: Fubar on February 13, 2007, 10:07:03 PM
I'd be happy with either an early 4x10 Bassman combo or JTM 45 tbh. They had basically the same circuitry, not a huge amount of either company's other amps interest me that much tho.
Title: Marshall or Fender
Post by: Dennis on February 13, 2007, 10:11:41 PM
Quote from: TwilightOdyssey
Marshall is a Fender PDT_008

Or, at least, a Fender with a bad cough.  :roll:


Well...I'm not too technical in the electric stuff, and I don't know much about the history of the amps of both, but.....some JCM stuff does not sound like some Twin stuff to me  :)

Quote from: Simon D

If money were no object, I could be tempted by any number of things - Cornell, Cornford, Mesa Boogie, Peavey JSX, Bad Cat, Bogner, Engl - the list goes on and on....  :)


Haha, same here!
And same for lots of people I guess...
Title: Marshall or Fender
Post by: LazyNinja on February 13, 2007, 11:02:47 PM
I like Fender like clean and Marshall like grit...
Laney is the answer!  :D

I dont like the scoopy sludgy sound of 6L6 high gain amps too much.
Title: Marshall or Fender
Post by: Twinfan on February 13, 2007, 11:08:27 PM
What TO is getting at is that the first Marshall amp was based on Fender Bassman circuitry.  So a Marshall IS a Fender, to a certain degree.  They kind of went their separate ways though  :)

I've never played through a Fender amp.  They've never appealed to me although a guitarist I heard recently had a great tone through a Hot Rod Deluxe combo and an overdrive pedal.

I just love the look of a half stack so it'd be a Marshall (well, Laney...) for me  :D
Title: Marshall or Fender
Post by: dave_mc on February 13, 2007, 11:52:02 PM
Quote from: TwilightOdyssey
Marshall is a Fender PDT_008

Or, at least, a Fender with a bad cough.  :roll:


hehe.

I'm gonna have to say both again... though if I had to pick it'd probably be marshall.
Title: Marshall or Fender
Post by: Ratrod on February 14, 2007, 06:07:17 PM
I traded my Marshall VS100 for a Fender Hot Rod Deluxe.

It's easier to make a fender sound like a Marshall than vice versa. Plenty of good dirt boxes around for that.

+ Fenders are the most reliable amps around, IMHO. (The new Supersonic seems to be an exception.) Mine is built like a tank and can take quite some traveling abuse.
Title: Marshall or Fender
Post by: everton_fc on February 14, 2007, 08:03:13 PM
I had a mid 70's Silver face Twin Reverb and a Marshall Jubilee combo - the Strat, through the twin sounded absolutely amazing, but for sheer overdrive the natural drive of the Marshall is one of those sounds you'll take to the grave with you.

I sold the Twin, kept the Marshall. Sometimes I wish my Marshall had the depth of the twin, I guess the different valves play a part in that, but in the mix of a live band situation, it's not a problem at all. I no some recent Marshalls get a slating, but I cant really comment on them - I'm basing my judgement on JCM800's and Silver Jubilees. The jubilees are fantastic amps in my opinion.

Anyway... as a BKP user who used both amps with the same guitar, I came back to Marshall in the end...
Title: Marshall or Fender
Post by: noodleplugerine on February 14, 2007, 08:21:12 PM
I wouldn't buy either - But if someone forced me I'd have to survive with the Marshall.
Title: Marshall or Fender
Post by: Bird on February 14, 2007, 09:01:47 PM
I've got to go with Marshall on this one. Used to have a 50 watt head (old 1987X I'm guessing). Loads of fun  8)
Title: Marshall or Fender
Post by: _tom_ on February 15, 2007, 03:57:16 PM
Quote from: Ratrod
+ Fenders are the most reliable amps around, IMHO. (The new Supersonic seems to be an exception.) Mine is built like a tank and can take quite some traveling abuse.


Thats weird, my HRDx has had input jack problems for ages. Just tried cleaning them with some contact cleaner and nothing, they need replacing  :x

I prefer the british tone. My Laney is much better than my Fender for me, even for cleans I prefer the tone.
Title: Marshall or Fender
Post by: TwilightOdyssey on February 15, 2007, 05:21:17 PM
Quote from: noodleplugerine
I wouldn't buy either - But if someone forced me I'd have to survive with the Marshall.

Curious about this post. What is your amp of choice? I notice you don't like the Vox you currently own, either. Fender ... Marshall .. Vox ... those are all classic tones. What is your ideal amp tone, if money were no object?
Title: Marshall or Fender
Post by: Crazy_Joe on February 15, 2007, 05:25:25 PM
I'm like noodles, i have a Laney GH50L and it does the job well but my ideal amp would be a Mesa Boogie for that classic Metallica thrash sound.
Though if i had to choose i'd pick Marshall.
Title: Marshall or Fender
Post by: TwilightOdyssey on February 15, 2007, 05:35:48 PM
Quote from: Crazy_Joe
I'm like noodles, i have a Laney GH50L and it does the job well but my ideal amp would be a Mesa Boogie for that classic Metallica thrash sound.
Though if i had to choose i'd pick Marshall.

Only if you consider "classic" Metallica to be Justice and after. Prior to that, they were playing Marshalls!! (which is what I would consider 'classic' Metallica) PDT_008
Title: Marshall or Fender
Post by: Crazy_Joe on February 15, 2007, 07:45:13 PM
They used them on master of puppets too i think, i consider that classic metallica and things before that old school metallica, but you just cant get their sound with a marshall after the ride the lightning period, you can get close though with the laney and custom warpig.
Title: Marshall or Fender
Post by: noodleplugerine on February 15, 2007, 08:01:30 PM
Quote from: TwilightOdyssey
Quote from: noodleplugerine
I wouldn't buy either - But if someone forced me I'd have to survive with the Marshall.

Curious about this post. What is your amp of choice? I notice you don't like the Vox you currently own, either. Fender ... Marshall .. Vox ... those are all classic tones. What is your ideal amp tone, if money were no object?


Mesa, Engle, even a fat Diezel if I had the money.

Something with huge gain and great tone, more modern amps you could say. Fender amps in my expierience lean to 60s tones, and Marshalls to 70s and 80s metal tones - I'm often wrong in these situations, but personally, I've yet to play a Marshall or a Fender which don't give the typical Marshall and Fender tones.
Title: Marshall or Fender
Post by: TwilightOdyssey on February 15, 2007, 09:37:44 PM
Re: expecting a diffent basic tone from either Fender or Marshall: Neither Fender nor Marshall are about to throw away their respective babies with the bath water at this point. However, I can see your point re: wanting a tone that's different. After playing a JCM800 for many years, I went for a Splawn, which is similar to the 800 but with higher resolution and better sound. The gain structure is the same, though.

ENGL's basic tone is that of a modded Marshall in many respects, but the Diezel definitely has a sound all its own. I use a VH-4 @ rehearsal most weeks -- very versatile amp!
Title: Marshall or Fender
Post by: TwilightOdyssey on February 15, 2007, 09:41:48 PM
Quote from: Crazy_Joe
They used them on master of puppets too i think, i consider that classic metallica and things before that old school metallica, but you just cant get their sound with a marshall after the ride the lightning period, you can get close though with the laney and custom warpig.

It was a Mesa preamp with a Marshall power amp on Puppets, actually. I don't know what they used on the tour, however. The stage setup they used when they opened for Ozzy had no amps visible.
Title: Marshall or Fender
Post by: Crazy_Joe on February 15, 2007, 10:40:33 PM
Ah, well it doesn't sound very Marshally to my ears so i tend to think the end of the Metallica-Marshall era is Ride the Lightning. Still great tones though!
Title: Marshall or Fender
Post by: Dennis on February 16, 2007, 11:17:15 AM
Quote from: TwilightOdyssey

ENGL's basic tone is that of a modded Marshall in many respects, but the Diezel definitely has a sound all its own. I use a VH-4 @ rehearsal most weeks -- very versatile amp!



wow...that Diezel stuff is pretty cool, I have been playing some times on a Diezel Herbert, really cool distortion tones on that stuff, and also very nice cleans! It is very nice for country style playing, but I haven't seen a country guitars playing a diezel though :-)
I wish I had one...

BTW a little off topic...are there some people here that know a little about tubes? I would like to "change" certain sounds on my amp (lets's say I want channel 3 a little more "oomph")....can I realise that by just changing preamp tubes, or is this certainly it has something to do with transformers and stuff?
Title: Marshall or Fender
Post by: Jp. on February 18, 2007, 12:23:44 PM
my avatar gives away my response here.... :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Marshall or Fender
Post by: samoth2 on February 18, 2007, 12:46:09 PM
Quote from: Jp.
my avatar gives away my response here.... :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Nice Marshall you got there  :lol:
Title: Marshall or Fender
Post by: noodleplugerine on February 18, 2007, 01:32:34 PM
Quote from: samoth2
Quote from: Jp.
my avatar gives away my response here.... :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Nice Marshall you got there  :lol:


Hahaha

Made my day.  

You win a cookie.
Title: Marshall or Fender
Post by: samoth2 on February 18, 2007, 01:47:15 PM
Quote from: noodleplugerine
Quote from: samoth2
Quote from: Jp.
my avatar gives away my response here.... :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Nice Marshall you got there  :lol:


Hahaha

Made my day.  

You win a cookie.


Someone actually likes my humor  :o
Title: Marshall or Fender
Post by: noodleplugerine on February 18, 2007, 02:28:13 PM
Quote from: samoth2
Quote from: noodleplugerine
Quote from: samoth2
Quote from: Jp.
my avatar gives away my response here.... :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Nice Marshall you got there  :lol:


Hahaha

Made my day.  

You win a cookie.


Someone actually likes my humor  :o


Hell yeah :D

Love that sort of thing. Denying the obvious is awesome, that's why I enjoyed Sex Lives of the Potato Men so much last night xD
Title: Marshall or Fender
Post by: samoth2 on February 18, 2007, 02:39:11 PM
Quote from: noodleplugerine
Quote from: samoth2
Quote from: noodleplugerine
Quote from: samoth2
Quote from: Jp.
my avatar gives away my response here.... :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Nice Marshall you got there  :lol:


Hahaha

Made my day.  

You win a cookie.


Someone actually likes my humor  :o


Hell yeah :D

Love that sort of thing. Denying the obvious is awesome, that's why I enjoyed Sex Lives of the Potato Men so much last night xD


Sex Lives of the Potato Men? Sounds weird :D
Title: Marshall or Fender
Post by: noodleplugerine on February 18, 2007, 02:45:12 PM
Quote from: samoth2
Quote from: noodleplugerine
Quote from: samoth2
Quote from: noodleplugerine
Quote from: samoth2
Quote from: Jp.
my avatar gives away my response here.... :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Nice Marshall you got there  :lol:


Hahaha

Made my day.  

You win a cookie.


Someone actually likes my humor  :o


Hell yeah :D

Love that sort of thing. Denying the obvious is awesome, that's why I enjoyed Sex Lives of the Potato Men so much last night xD


Sex Lives of the Potato Men? Sounds weird :D


It's some crazy Brittish movie, but like it's VERY Brittish. So Brittish they didn't both releasing it anywhere else :P
Title: Marshall or Fender
Post by: samoth2 on February 18, 2007, 02:48:18 PM
Quote from: noodleplugerine
Quote from: samoth2
Quote from: noodleplugerine
Quote from: samoth2
Quote from: noodleplugerine
Quote from: samoth2
Quote from: Jp.
my avatar gives away my response here.... :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Nice Marshall you got there  :lol:


Hahaha

Made my day.  

You win a cookie.


Someone actually likes my humor  :o


Hell yeah :D

Love that sort of thing. Denying the obvious is awesome, that's why I enjoyed Sex Lives of the Potato Men so much last night xD


Sex Lives of the Potato Men? Sounds weird :D


It's some crazy Brittish movie, but like it's VERY Brittish. So Brittish they didn't both releasing it anywhere else :P


 :P

Nice Viper btw. Not really a fan of camo paintjobs but I really like the body shape  :)  :lol:
Title: Marshall or Fender
Post by: samoth2 on February 18, 2007, 02:48:33 PM
Quote from: noodleplugerine
Quote from: samoth2
Quote from: noodleplugerine
Quote from: samoth2
Quote from: noodleplugerine
Quote from: samoth2
Quote from: Jp.
my avatar gives away my response here.... :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Nice Marshall you got there  :lol:


Hahaha

Made my day.  

You win a cookie.


Someone actually likes my humor  :o


Hell yeah :D

Love that sort of thing. Denying the obvious is awesome, that's why I enjoyed Sex Lives of the Potato Men so much last night xD


Sex Lives of the Potato Men? Sounds weird :D


It's some crazy Brittish movie, but like it's VERY Brittish. So Brittish they didn't both releasing it anywhere else :P


 :P

Nice Viper btw. Not really a fan of camo paintjobs but I really like the body shape  :)  :lol:
Title: Marshall or Fender
Post by: noodleplugerine on February 18, 2007, 02:52:00 PM
Quote from: samoth2
Quote from: noodleplugerine
Quote from: samoth2
Quote from: noodleplugerine
Quote from: samoth2
Quote from: noodleplugerine
Quote from: samoth2
Quote from: Jp.
my avatar gives away my response here.... :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Nice Marshall you got there  :lol:


Hahaha

Made my day.  

You win a cookie.


Someone actually likes my humor  :o


Hell yeah :D

Love that sort of thing. Denying the obvious is awesome, that's why I enjoyed Sex Lives of the Potato Men so much last night xD


Sex Lives of the Potato Men? Sounds weird :D


It's some crazy Brittish movie, but like it's VERY Brittish. So Brittish they didn't both releasing it anywhere else :P


 :P

Nice Viper btw. Not really a fan of camo paintjobs but I really like the body shape  :)  :lol:

Haha, thanks!

Still hasn't arrived though, coming from the states in 10 days :P

Ps: How come every thread I enter somehow turns out to be a huge quote-spamfest :S
Title: Marshall or Fender
Post by: apmaman on February 18, 2007, 06:13:15 PM
Quote from: noodleplugerine
Quote from: samoth2
Quote from: noodleplugerine
Quote from: samoth2
Quote from: noodleplugerine
Quote from: samoth2
Quote from: noodleplugerine
Quote from: samoth2
Quote from: Jp.
my avatar gives away my response here.... :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Nice Marshall you got there  :lol:


Hahaha

Made my day.  

You win a cookie.


Someone actually likes my humor  :o


Hell yeah :D

Love that sort of thing. Denying the obvious is awesome, that's why I enjoyed Sex Lives of the Potato Men so much last night xD


Sex Lives of the Potato Men? Sounds weird :D


It's some crazy Brittish movie, but like it's VERY Brittish. So Brittish they didn't both releasing it anywhere else :P


 :P

Nice Viper btw. Not really a fan of camo paintjobs but I really like the body shape  :)  :lol:

Haha, thanks!

Still hasn't arrived though, coming from the states in 10 days :P

Ps: How come every thread I enter somehow turns out to be a huge quote-spamfest :S


goodness knows. perhaps its a sign
Title: Marshall or Fender
Post by: gwEm on February 20, 2007, 12:11:51 PM
marshall... although i'd like to try other british amps - particularly Hiwatt... plus Vox and Laney as well.
Title: Marshall or Fender
Post by: BloodMountain on February 20, 2007, 12:54:23 PM
Marshall easily.
Fender is not nearly metal enough for me.