Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: aisuru on February 16, 2007, 01:34:22 PM
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www.bugera-amps.com
as far as i can tell, they're made by Behringer, who do high quality stuff, but at reasonable prices.
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Looks interesting
Wonder if people will mispronounce the name as Buggerer (said Mr Felini)
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http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4084
yup looks like it is behringer...there bugera speakers ain't bad..
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haha I thought it was pronounced Buggerer :lol:
They look allright actually, good old Behringer doing blatant clones of amps :D
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yup looks like they have given up on line6 stuff now peaveys turn
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Who is this Shane Gibson? :?
Behringer has guts (of wrong kind) copying other manufacturer's designs (BOSS, EH etc and now Peavey). Saves them the trouble of R&D I guess. Cheeky Buggerers.
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Who is this Shane Gibson? :?
Behringer has guts (of wrong kind) copying other manufacturer's designs (BOSS, EH etc and now Peavey). Saves them the trouble of R&D I guess. Cheeky Buggerers.
exactly. that's why i love them though: despite what everyone says, i haven't had any trouble with their products. yeah yeah i know.... if i stomp on my EQ700 too hard the plastic foot pedal part will fall off, but that'll teach you to abuse your stompboxes in future! :P
my GM108 is fine, a little bit of ungrounded hum, and again, if i kick the knobs, they'll fall off, but generally good quality. 2 years of metal abuse and no problems.
i'd love to check out these amps...... maybe they've improved on the Peaveys instead of copying them.... interesting.
i have no idea who Shane Gibson is, never heard of him until now.
BM
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looks like they'll be undercutting Peavey by a few hundred quid as well.
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they're cheap peavey copies with shitety marshallized tone, its almost like Madison all over again. If theyre anything like the rest of behringer, they'll stop working beyond repair after a year or two.
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they're cheap peavey copies with shitety marshallized tone, its almost like Madison all over again. If theyre anything like the rest of behringer, they'll stop working beyond repair after a year or two.
my behringer amp is fine after 2 years of MAXIMUM GAIN AND BASS AT 10 which, if it was cr@p quality, would destroy the speaker, overheat it, etc. but it doesn't have any problems. don't jump to conclusions. but then again, the bigger the more unreliable (with amps, and that's only usually!)
BM
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The only possible excuse for getting something like that is if you already have a fuchs, a bumbox, and a koch, and want to complete the collection.
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The only possible excuse for getting something like that is if you already have a fuchs, a bumbox, and a koch, and want to complete the collection.
Hahahahahahahahaha xD
awesome.
You win a cookie.
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The only possible excuse for getting something like that is if you already have a fuchs, a bumbox, and a koch, and want to complete the collection.
Sell the Koch and get a Tiny Terror :twisted:
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i can't pass judgment until i hear it but Behringer have a habit of OVERCHARGING for the quality of the product. They look cheap on paper, but there are FAR better amps out there for similar prices.
and the V-amp analogue modelers sound like a fart.
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i can't pass judgment until i hear it but Behringer have a habit of OVERCHARGING for the quality of the product. They look cheap on paper, but there are FAR better amps out there for similar prices.
and the V-amp analogue modelers sound like a fart.
The V-Amp series are digital, and they actually sound pretty good if you know how to set it up right (see my sig) :P
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the V-Tone analogue modeling on my GM108 is outstanding, if you know how to set it. 3 switches, and your usual 5 knobs, and i can get amazing distortions, metal and rock, and great cleans too. the EQ section is awesome too. i'm going to buy today a GDI21 to use as a distortion stompbox, and when i get it, ill let you know how good it is.
BM
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i meant those cr@ppy gnatty little 'Analogue modeler' amps they make.
other things to boycott be they Behringer;
Headphones
Minimixers.
Apparently one of the guitarists in Split Decision (local band) has a massive Behringer mixer and it's fantastic so i wouldn't necessarily rule out those bugera amps as being really good. i have an Indie it-70 which sounds pretty meaty so it could go either way.
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they're not cr@ppy. if you think they sound like a fart, then learn how to use an EQ. it WILL change the sound. i turned the bass full on, treble full down, and yeah, it sounded a bit farty. i then turned the tone pot fully down, and LOL it just sounded like a radio. but that was actually quite fun.
it's all in the EQ.
BM
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I've spent months of my life trying to get a halfway decent sound out one of those at school after other people set it to 'fart mode'. no matter how i tweak it it sounds like cr@p.
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dude, it has to be your guitar then. oh yeah, i forgot to mention, these Behringer V-Tone amps are extremely guitar and pickup reliant! i plugged in a shitety guitar (ARTEC low output pickups), and hey presto, horrible farty shitee. plugged in my 70s Les Paul, with unbranded humbucker, and BAM! it crushes again. which specific amp are you talking about here? what model?
BM
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10-watt.
everyone i know fails to get a decent sound regardless of guitar and my guitar is a one of two build. :x
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10-watt.
everyone i know fails to get a decent sound regardless of guitar
Think you kind of revealed the secret flaw - 10 watt cheap practice amp!
Don't write off a whole company's product range because of a lowly practice amp
You could level the same criticism at Marshall if you only took their smallest product.
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10-watt.
everyone i know fails to get a decent sound regardless of guitar
Think you kind of revealed the secret flaw - 10 watt cheap practice amp!
Don't write off a whole company's product range because of a lowly practice amp
You could level the same criticism at Marshall if you only took their smallest product.
mine is 15 Watt, not 10. it MUST be a different model, because i love mine. turned it up to 5 yesterday and the room shook. the Gain just growls in an evil way for over 30 seconds with my Les Paul. plus, if i change to my Razorback and flick the "Speaker" switch to "U.S" i get instant Dime/Lamb Of God tone. i don't really, like that tone, but loads of people do, and it demonstrates how dynamic this amp is.
BM
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It's not just the cheap amp.
the school has recently replaced all it's ratty old headphones and the Behringers still sound like arse. I'm truly convinced that the sound insulation, which is ineffectual, is made of Somerfields' carrier bags.
But these new amps sound promising.
Check out the clips on Shane's website but don't rely on them - Bumblefoot is able to get a good tone from line-6 and I don't see you running naked through the streets to buy a spider.
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It's not just the cheap amp.
the school has recently replaced all it's ratty old headphones and the Behringers still sound like arse. I'm truly convinced that the sound insulation, which is ineffectual, is made of Somerfields' carrier bags.
But these new amps sound promising.
Check out the clips on Shane's website but don't rely on them - Bumblefoot is able to get a good tone from line-6 and I don't see you running naked through the streets to buy a spider.
what do you expect from a school though? schools have low budgets, and need to stretch them a long way, hence you end up with the cheapest stuff thy can get away with.
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my school uses Marshall MG10CDs. they're great when you show off your guitar skills (not that i have much, i'm too young to have skills!) to your friends, but when you want tone, it's horrible and fizzy. oh yeah, and i noticed while i was in an exam, the gym gear room door was open, and there was one of their MG10CDs with a "needs repair" sign on it haha! i definitely prefer my Behringer GM108.
BM
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ah the MG10CD, the good old times :lol: my first amp it was. Bought it for £40 quid, abused for a year or two and sold it on ebay for 30 quid. Heh it did its job fantastically.
The thing is, at the time when I started out, I honestly believed it sounded good. Nowadays, I hear it and my first reaction is urgh (cringe). Its very interesting how your ears develop as you play, not to sound big headed. Practice amps dont have to have the best tone in the world, they just have to make you want to play guitar. In that respect I rate the MG highly coz I know lots of my mates had it when they started out and they loved them at the time. Nowadays I'd recommend a Laney LV or a cube though. Never tried the Behringer so cant say much about that.
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mine is 15 Watt, not 10. it MUST be a different model, because i love mine. turned it up to 5 yesterday and the room shook. the Gain just growls in an evil way for over 30 seconds with my Les Paul. plus, if i change to my Razorback and flick the "Speaker" switch to "U.S" i get instant Dime/Lamb Of God tone. i don't really, like that tone, but loads of people do, and it demonstrates how dynamic this amp is.
BM
That doesnt prevent the fact that its a poopy 15 watt modelling amp. I'll take my marshall 30th anniversary tube stack over that any day. theres no comparison in tone. none.
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ah the MG10CD, the good old times :lol: my first amp it was. Bought it for £40 quid, abused for a year or two and sold it on ebay for 30 quid. Heh it did its job fantastically.
The thing is, at the time when I started out, I honestly believed it sounded good. Nowadays, I hear it and my first reaction is urgh (cringe). Its very interesting how your ears develop as you play, not to sound big headed. Practice amps dont have to have the best tone in the world, they just have to make you want to play guitar. In that respect I rate the MG highly coz I know lots of my mates had it when they started out and they loved them at the time. Nowadays I'd recommend a Laney LV or a cube though. Never tried the Behringer so cant say much about that.
yeah, it is interesting how your ears develop. i bought a Marshall MG250DFX and i got a Zoom 505II and i thought it sounded great. now, it sounds kind of cr@ppy and fizzy to my ears, and lacks a huge dollop of definition. now, for example, i hear the Orange Tiny Terror cranked and i think WOW!!! heh.
BM
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Yeah, but only that the Orange cost a whopping £300. so you cant compare it with them.
edit: But sure, MG250 with zoom would be a similar price I see your point.
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mine is 15 Watt, not 10. it MUST be a different model, because i love mine. turned it up to 5 yesterday and the room shook. the Gain just growls in an evil way for over 30 seconds with my Les Paul. plus, if i change to my Razorback and flick the "Speaker" switch to "U.S" i get instant Dime/Lamb Of God tone. i don't really, like that tone, but loads of people do, and it demonstrates how dynamic this amp is.
BM
That doesnt prevent the fact that its a poopy 15 watt modelling amp. I'll take my marshall 30th anniversary tube stack over that any day. theres no comparison in tone. none.
OBVIOUSLY! dude, i never said it gave me tube tone, or anything like it, but it's just a REALLY pleasing grinding sound to practice with. in fact, i could gig with the sound of my GM108, and i wouldn't be cringing! i would love that....
but nothing beats a Valve amp in my opinion. not even analog modelers of the 21st century.
BM
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Yeah, but only that the Orange cost a whopping £300. so you cant compare it with them.
edit: But sure, MG250 with zoom would be a similar price I see your point.
what dya mean???
EDIT: just seen your edit :D
yeah, they're a similar price. just need a cab to go with the Orange though. +£150
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looking at the few reviews circling around the 'net these new amps look pretty sweet. I might just buy the 333XL if it's a decent price and if I don't like it I could probably do some mods to make it into a monster. Chances are that the valves and speakers will let the amp down though. Replace those with higher quality lines and it'd be a damn site better than the Peaveys everyone says that they are copies of.
Anyway - the Peavey Valve King amps are pretty cheap anyway, only problem is the lack of flexibility in a live situation.
I think it's fantastic that this thread hasn't degenerated into an all out boycott of Behringer products. Every other forum I found were complaining that the design was similar to the Peavey range but when you consider that it contains the JSX Joe Satriani head that's no bad thing.
I think that these amps should be given a good while to distribute around the world before Behringer lose another court case (it's going to get to the point where a unicycle could complain about the patent for a pedal and say that the word pedal is their copyright and win against behringer. the bonus of this is that thay will hurtle in value because they are probably better manufactured in Behringer city than in Peavey's factories; making them a good investment.)
Anyway, the design of the 333XL could just as easily be based on the laney with a noise gate added. there is no proof that Behringer copied Peavey's design. they might well have finally come up with an original idea.
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looking at the few reviews circling around the 'net these new amps look pretty sweet. I might just buy the 333XL if it's a decent price and if I don't like it I could probably do some mods to make it into a monster. Chances are that the valves and speakers will let the amp down though. Replace those with higher quality lines and it'd be a damn site better than the Peaveys everyone says that they are copies of.
Anyway - the Peavey Valve King amps are pretty cheap anyway, only problem is the lack of flexibility in a live situation.
I think it's fantastic that this thread hasn't degenerated into an all out boycott of Behringer products. Every other forum I found were complaining that the design was similar to the Peavey range but when you consider that it contains the JSX Joe Satriani head that's no bad thing.
I think that these amps should be given a good while to distribute around the world before Behringer lose another court case (it's going to get to the point where a unicycle could complain about the patent for a pedal and say that the word pedal is their copyright and win against behringer. the bonus of this is that thay will hurtle in value because they are probably better manufactured in Behringer city than in Peavey's factories; making them a good investment.)
Anyway, the design of the 333XL could just as easily be based on the laney with a noise gate added. there is no proof that Behringer copied Peavey's design. they might well have finally come up with an original idea.
agreed.
hopefully it's something new :D i'm getting excited now, as i'm looking for a new amp ATM!
yeah, i searched "Behringer VT999" on Google and it came up with a shiteload of discussion forums saying "huh huh it's probably a jam jar with tube written on it huh huh". it's just uncalled for, how can they judge like that? my EQ pedal does exactly what it is supposed to, no fuss. for £15 it was a bargain!
BM
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http://www.gearwire.com/media/behringer-bugera-wnamm.mov
the sneak preview of the 333 and 333XL. it's mainly telling the features (which sound cool) but you do get to hear the 333 in action a couple of times. whaddya think? i think not enough gain dialed in, need to add more to convince me :twisted:
BM
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not bad. seems like a good classic rock tone there.
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guess who's found more clips of the Bugeras..... ME!
it's too metal for some of you, but i think it sounds great. this guy can write amazing stuff.
http://www.myspace.com/shaneshred
enjoy
BM
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I've been waiting for someone to mention these...
I've been watching them since they were announced and i really, really want a 333XL Head.
Honestly, how much can you screw up valve amp?
All the stuff coming out of china these days seems pretty decent, i can't see them being any worse than those valve kings.
Can't wait to play through one, i hate spending loads of money on gear!
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Weird, I saw them the other day on a NAMM page and on paper they look amazing.
I'm really interested in the 333 and the 6262... but the fact that it's Behringer puts me off somewhat.
http://www.gearwire.com/media/behringer-bugera-wnamm.mov
Based on that, it sounds like complete and utter ass.
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THAT is a very poor recording through a camera microphone in an area with about a thousand people walking past talking at once and that's forgetting about the other demos going on.
On the opposite evil of recording Shane Gibson's tone sounds pretty good but it's mostly studio recorded stuff.
Neither is good for rating the amps. We just have to find one of them and try it out. Whoever manages first should do a thorough report of the tone in person.
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Apparently, Dawsons should be getting them in stock as they're an authorised Behringer dealer so I intend on hunting one down in Liverpool when I'm back from New York... or I might even try to find one next week when I'm IN New York.
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Apparently, Dawsons should be getting them in stock as they're an authorised Behringer dealer so I intend on hunting one down in Liverpool when I'm back from New York... or I might even try to find one next week when I'm IN New York.
8)
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www.bugera-amps.com
as far as i can tell, they're made by Behringer, who do high quality stuff, but at reasonable prices.
wait wait wait...Behringer...and quality...in the same sentence!? All behringer stuff I have seen has been terrible quality and sound like garbage. which is why their pedals are half the price or less of what they are trying to copy
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www.bugera-amps.com
as far as i can tell, they're made by Behringer, who do high quality stuff, but at reasonable prices.
wait wait wait...Behringer...and quality...in the same sentence!? All behringer stuff I have seen has been terrible quality and sound like garbage. which is why their pedals are half the price or less of what they are trying to copy
my friend had a behringer amp, and i managed to snap off her volume control, which seemed to have been mounted on a matchstick... an actual MATCHSTICK - it didn't have the igniting bit on the end, but it was the same wood and thickness of a matchstick. I was slightly horrified. I used to have a behringer tubescreamer clone pedal; every time i shook it the sound would change a bit. in my experience behringer products sound sub-standard in the few days they work for.
although, saying that, _tom_'s coaxed some nice sounds out of his v-amp
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All the stuff coming out of china these days seems pretty decent, i can't see them being any worse than those valve kings.
you clearly havent played a madison :roll:
they are scum of the earth, and i wouldnt be suprised if Bugera wasnt far off either.
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All the stuff coming out of china these days seems pretty decent, i can't see them being any worse than those valve kings.
you clearly havent played a madison :roll:
they are scum of the earth, and i wouldnt be suprised if Bugera wasnt far off either.
how can you assume that?
oh, and my volume knob on my behringer isn't on a matchstick.... it's fairly weak, but you always have to be careful with any gear IMO.
my behringer stuff is fine. my little amp has lasted over 2 years, and my EQ pedal has no faults even after a month.
BM
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www.bugera-amps.com
as far as i can tell, they're made by Behringer, who do high quality stuff, but at reasonable prices.
wait wait wait...Behringer...and quality...in the same sentence!? All behringer stuff I have seen has been terrible quality and sound like garbage. which is why their pedals are half the price or less of what they are trying to copy
uh... yes. they DO have a reputation for good sound quality for the money.
but if you're going to base your opinion of a brand's entire range on some cheap effects pedals... then its' not really worth trying to convince you.
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www.bugera-amps.com
as far as i can tell, they're made by Behringer, who do high quality stuff, but at reasonable prices.
wait wait wait...Behringer...and quality...in the same sentence!? All behringer stuff I have seen has been terrible quality and sound like garbage. which is why their pedals are half the price or less of what they are trying to copy
uh... yes. they DO have a reputation for good sound quality for the money.
but if you're going to base your opinion of a brand's entire range on some cheap effects pedals... then its' not really worth trying to convince you.
+1
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how can you assume that?
oh, and my volume knob on my behringer isn't on a matchstick.... it's fairly weak, but you always have to be careful with any gear IMO.
my behringer stuff is fine. my little amp has lasted over 2 years, and my EQ pedal has no faults even after a month.
BM
i can assume that because my long experience with alot of chinese contructed gear, let alone behringer has been negative. All of behringers shite that i've heard of or have tried has blown up, so i completely gave up on the company and their very inconsistent and unreliable contruction quality. Maybe you just got lucky with your amp, and if your EQ pedal survives its first year of service, you will have gotten lucky with it too. That still wont convince me when pitted against the numerous horror stories and bad reviews i've heard. Another thing i noticed, a large number people who gave them good reviews on harmony central were very inexperienced with gear, with an average age of about 15.
I'll stick to buying my gear above the budget category.
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yeah, i've hear the horror stories too..... that's why i'm probably not going to take any chances buying big Behringer gear, although i haven't heard anything bad about the GMX1200H head yet.....
i buy Behringer because i'm willing to take the risk because of the small prices on the small pieces of gear that i get interested in.... and there's such thing as returning stuff in this day and age too.
i'm looking for an amp at the moment, and i'm trying to stick with the big names..... although i don't like Marshalls because of their fizzy top end. urgh. Laneys have a smoother top end. lovely.
plus, both of those brands are usually consistent, and the build quality is great.
BM
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i don't like Marshalls because of their fizzy top end. urgh.
You're having a go at people for writing off Behringer after a lot of experience with the shitety quality of the products, and then you go and write off some of the VERY best amps in the world, of which there are many different types and catagories, and i SERIOUSLY doubt you have tried them all. In fact i doubt you've tried much above the MG line.
HYPOCRISY!
I'm starting to sound like Dakine :oops:
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i don't like Marshalls because of their fizzy top end. urgh.
You're having a go at people for writing off Behringer after a lot of experience with the shitety quality of the products, and then you go and write off some of the VERY best amps in the world, of which there are many different types and catagories, and i SERIOUSLY doubt you have tried them all. In fact i doubt you've tried much above the MG line.
HYPOCRISY!
I'm starting to sound like Dakine :oops:
dude, your probably right, i haven't tried enough..... sorry Marshall lovers :oops:
i haven't tried much above the MG line, only DSL and TSL which both seem to be the old Flagships, so i guessed they would all be like that..... which models dont????? i love the Marshall roar, but was put off by those models because of the fizz. i've heard also that Marshall were all about the fizz, and that was the point: fizzy distortion. apparently, anyway.
btw i'm quite young, i haven't had that much experience with gear. well, not as much as you guys anyway.
sorry.... don't banish me from the forum.....
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dude, your probably right, i haven't tried enough..... sorry Marshall lovers :oops:
i haven't tried much above the MG line, only DSL and TSL which both seem to be the old Flagships, so i guessed they would all be like that..... which models dont????? i love the Marshall roar, but was put off by those models because of the fizz. i've heard also that Marshall were all about the fizz, and that was the point: fizzy distortion. apparently, anyway.
btw i'm quite young, i haven't had that much experience with gear. well, not as much as you guys anyway.
sorry.... don't banish me from the forum.....
I have the 6100 (30th anniversary) which was the predecessor to the jcm2000 line, in my opinion, the true marshall flagship lol. But yeah, i hate the fizzy distortion too, and marshalls have LOADS of fizz... but i got this puppy anyway.
I figure i can get rid of it by replacing the stock preamp tubes (yup, i have 14 year old preamptubes) with some sovtek 12ax7-LPS's, and open up its guts and replace some caps and resistors in between the preamp tubes... I might mod it to take 6550's, and make the lead channel sound like a sunn model T, and add some more gain and clarity to the crunch channels, and attempt to get some life out of the cleans... they sound so sad... i dont know if i'm guna mod it yet, it would feel kinda wrong to turn an out of production amp into a frankenstein.
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dude, your probably right, i haven't tried enough..... sorry Marshall lovers :oops:
On behalf of the Marshall community, I accept your apology. :D
*mounts JCM900*
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dude, your probably right, i haven't tried enough..... sorry Marshall lovers :oops:
On behalf of the Marshall community, I accept your apology. :D
*mounts JCM900*
ok.
i love the sound of the Kerry King signature Marshall..... are there any other Marshalls that sound better/the same as that in terms of voice?
thanks, BM
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Err, the JCM800 reissue with a pedal up front?
Changing the valves can make a big difference to the fizzy tone you get. Marshall don't put in top spec ones from new.
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dude, your probably right, i haven't tried enough..... sorry Marshall lovers :oops:
On behalf of the Marshall community, I accept your apology. :D
*mounts JCM900*
ok.
i love the sound of the Kerry King signature Marshall..... are there any other Marshalls that sound better/the same as that in terms of voice?
thanks, BM
Yeah, as that guy said ^^^ it's basically a 2203 with a built in EQ for a mid-range hump and has a decent noise gate too.
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The only high end Marshall's I've tried are a TSL and a Mode Four.
The TSL was "ok", but not amazing, and the Mode Four I really can't remember.
Anyway, like Bloodmountain I have this Marshall stereotype sound in my head from all the low end one's I've tried.
Somebody needs to enlighten me :<
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i watched that Kerry King signature head demo on the DVD.
that enlightened me like hell.
i just used my MG built in distortion and it sucks. however, i was able to remove the fizzy top end with my trusty EQ700. but it still sounded too weak and SS..... not really much warmth. plus, the level of feedback was huge! unwanted, uncontrollable feedback. i had to switch channels to escape it!
BM
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i watched that Kerry King signature head demo on the DVD.
that enlightened me like hell.
i just used my MG built in distortion and it sucks. however, i was able to remove the fizzy top end with my trusty EQ700. but it still sounded too weak and SS..... not really much warmth. plus, the level of feedback was huge! unwanted, uncontrollable feedback. i had to switch channels to escape it!
BM
Funny thing is I thought it sounded cr@p when Kerry King played it, but when Chris George played it I thought it was pretty good. Either way, that amp isnt really a typical Marshall sound by any means imo.
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chuck shuldiner made a marshall sound good by using a dimarzio X2N to drive it to hell... so i figure the way to get power out of mine is uber high output, thus im investing in a tubescreamer, and a guitar with some warpigs :twisted:
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Funny thing is I thought it sounded cr@p when Kerry King played it, but when Chris George played it I thought it was pretty good. Either way, that amp isnt really a typical Marshall sound by any means imo.
Kerry wasn't playing, just spewing out chords, and the sound was being picked up by a shitety TV microphone, placed a long way away from the speakers.
I suspect Chris George's clip was VERY nicely mic'd up in an envirnment with ideal acoustics... and of course a BKP nailbomb :wink:
Funny you don't think of the KK'800 as typically marshall - I would.
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All things considered, it's a bit much to call any Amp a knock-off or rip-off of another. All valve amps are essentially variations on three or four old RCA circuits for audio amplifiers. They might have more tubes in one bit, or varied values of resistors or whatever, but they all come from the same source, ultimately. Even Marshalls started out as a jerry-built "knock off"/homage to the Bassman using the components available, the Bassman itself being a small variation of a design for Audio amplification that had been knocking about since god was a boy.
Circuit wise, there's not that huge a variety of things going on in valve amps. The differences come about through quality of components and selection of Resistors, caps, valves and Transformers to suit a tone. If the Brugera amps have decent components, they'll sound good (or at least, like what they're meant to sound like), if they don't, they won't.
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All things considered, it's a bit much to call any Amp a knock-off or rip-off of another. All valve amps are essentially variations on three or four old RCA circuits for audio amplifiers. They might have more tubes in one bit, or varied values of resistors or whatever, but they all come from the same source, ultimately. Even Marshalls started out as a jerry-built "knock off"/homage to the Bassman using the components available, the Bassman itself being a small variation of a design for Audio amplification that had been knocking about since god was a boy.
Circuit wise, there's not that huge a variety of things going on in valve amps. The differences come about through quality of components and selection of Resistors, caps, valves and Transformers to suit a tone. If the Brugera amps have decent components, they'll sound good (or at least, like what they're meant to sound like), if they don't, they won't.
it's the reliability that most of us are concerned about.... i think they will sound badass, but may have reliability issues.
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does anyone have any more info on these?
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http://music.megagoo.com/5150-bugera-test.mp3
Clip from a guy on HC first part is bugera only second 5150 then the 5150 left bugera right....
The Bugera was the 6262 which is similar to the 5150 II so the tone would be slightly different...
I can't wait to test one out I thinkI prefer the look of the bugera's...