Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Catalyst77 on March 01, 2007, 12:27:58 PM
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Ok so ive narrowed down my search to the 5150 or the JCM800.
So, taking price out of the reckonging, should it be the 5150 or the JCM 800 or should I stick with the DUAL Rec ?
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dual rec easily
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Just got my first mesa recently, it just slays ;)
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Rectifier for me too. If you already have one, there's nothing to be gained (no pun intended :)) from getting either of the other two.
I like the high gain of the 5150, but found the two I tried to be very noisy + I need a good clean sound.
I've played Feline's JCM800 - it's fun, but not really my sound (& ditto on the clean channel).
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FWIW, if I had a Rectifier & was looking for something else (oh hang on, I do & I am :D) then my choices would be:
VHT Ultralead (If money was no object)
Hughes & Kettner Triamp MKII (seriously tempted by the range of clean, lo & mid gain sounds on offer, Alex Lifeson uses it, but not sure it's capable of quite the murderous metal mayhem I mostly play :))
Engl Powerball (like the idea of 4 channels & by all accounts it has gain to burn :twisted:)
Engl Savage (ditto + the idea of 6550 power tubes appeals to me)
new Mesa Dual Rectifier* (already know I like the high gain & clean sounds but 3 channels gives me the extra crunch sound I'm after)
* I have one of the early 2-channel Single Rectos
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Easy one this, if you want a Marshall tone get a Marshall if you want a Mesa tone get a Mesa.
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All depends on what you want tonewise
A Dual Rec has a much lower bass frequency range, and as such doesnt sound like a Marshall- it is tuned a whole octave lower
That is why Mesa brought out the Stiletto range -so that in a 2 guitar band - one guy can sound like a Dual Rec and the other can sound like a Marshall
IMO - having 2 dual rec plyers in 1 band isn't as good as one dual rec player and a Marshall player. the sounds sound more separated and easier to follow
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if you want a boogie, but want a more marshall sound, check out the lonestars, they have nicer cleans than the rec's and more of a marshall tone. From my experience with the music store I work in stilleto's havn't been very well received. I have a dual rec (the 3 channel one) my biggest problem with it is lack of reverb, I bought a Diamond analog delay to lush up the cleans which solved the problem
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Easy one this, if you want a Marshall tone get a Marshall if you want a Mesa tone get a Mesa.
if you want the best all round tone, go with a 5150, some of the best dirty tones are on tap on the clean channel in 'crunch' mode,
clean it's beautiful, tons if headroom
th lead channel is drop dead, all the way from just clipping to full on raging high gain.
I've owned all three of these amps, sold the boogie, never missed it, sold the 800, never missed that either,but, i do own a silver 2550, much nicer IMO
never wanted to lose my 5150,
ever
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Boogie.
Really Boogie.
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not sure when the Fender 5150 amp comes out but the clips here are VERY tasty indeed...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIr-WBZT1MI
:twisted:
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It scares me sometimes how much I think like Antag. :lol:
I to would love a VHT UltraLead and 6550/kt88 tubes, hence my lust for a Splawn ProMod.
If it was picking those amps I'd rank them like this.
If I wanted versatility and maximum low end thump I'd go Dual Rec.
If I wanted the most gain I'd go 5150.
If I wanted the definitive classic rock and metal amp I'd go JCM800.
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tone??go with the fabled Mesa Boogie MARK II C+-$$$$$$
I went with a mk IV B version..close to the IIc+..less $$$$-cant really name any amp on the planet more versatile and more killer than the IV-3 channels with a monsta lead channel-
lets boogie!!
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REALLY depends on what you want.
Super tight high gain metal with no clean --> 5150
loose attack, punky, somewhat muddy (for technical shite) at high volume --> dual rec
medium gain, marshall tone --> jcm 800
honestly, if you want a jcm 800, get a Laney pro tube... they have very similar tone, but assloads more gain, and a more controllable EQ. Theyre a bit old so you'll have to grab one used... i find they go for around $400-600 US depending on wattage and quality.
The thing about the laney pro tubes is that the preamp is almost identical to an 800.
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just think..
Zakk Wylde, John Petrucci or Eddie Van Halen...
which do u like? :P
I know which i'd choose every single day of the week out of those amps..
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I thought eddie only used his 69 SL marshall on pretty much any recording that sounded any good. I think he used the soldano around the f.u.c.k. album, but I dont think you can say that it sounds better than the tone of the fair warning album. Contrary to some I dont beleive eddie ever recorded with the 5150 !
My biggest beef with the mesa is that the fx loop is pretty naff, and the different channels react differently to the same effects. If you want the same delay on channel 1 as you do on channel three you need 2 delay pedals to make it work.
I think it also lacks that killer punch. I sold my 5150 to buy the Boogie, but When i play back the recordings with the 5150 compared to the newer stuff with the boogie, the 5150 just sounds better (same studio same engineer, same guitar)
Also i just could not get the mesa to stay clean, it kept breaking up, but in a really unmusical way, that really grates on the record, kind of like when youve maxed out the pa, basically the clipping on this channel sucks.
So thats the reason I considered going back to the 5150, I thought about the jcm, because ive got loads of od pedals, and i thought the raw power/crunch and clipping would be superior to the 5150, (and it would be a lot quieter) plus it kind of feels a bit shitety to go back to an amp youve sold, without trying anything new. I always stayed away from marshall in the past due to the fact that I had a les paul and long hair! Although the hairs short now so I guess it might be ok!
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It scares me sometimes how much I think like Antag. :lol:
+1 :D
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:lol:
It's always nice to have someone with similar tastes to bounce ideas off of.