Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: DeanS on March 03, 2007, 02:33:33 PM
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I've never been too impressed with V30's (OK in a 4X12 for grindy stuff) and swapped the one out of my Cornford Harly for a Heritage (pre rola spec) greenback G12M 20 watter.
Wished I'd done it ages ago as the difference is night and day- lovely and warm with serious, serious crunch tones. Still breaking it in but I'll post some clips soon as.
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Good stuff, i changed my V30 for a G12H and was much happier with the tone.Much warmer and less spikey!
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Would you say you have to turn the amp higher to get the same volume with the G25M than the V30?
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Yes its noticeable-sensitivity is 4db lower than V30 and 2db lower than the standard G12M greeback, but for me this is a good thing on a recording amp-cranked tone at lower volume. The crunch tone just puts a huge smile on my face :P
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nice, duly noted!
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Yes its noticeable-sensitivity is 4db lower than V30 and 2db lower than the standard G12M greeback, but for me this is a good thing on a recording amp-cranked tone at lower volume.
Exactly what I thought 8)
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Is the bass tighter or looser with the Greenbacks, compared to the V30's?
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The bass (I've only installed it earlier toady so its first impressions) is looser in a kind of EVH brown sound type looseness- if you know what I mean. I always found the V30 to be harsh.
Apparently Celestion cloned the original 60's greenback right down to the type of glue used- an animal one, sorry vegetarians 8)
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You know, i love the sound of a distorted marshall through V30's.
But i've never been impressed with it's cleans...
Maybe it'd be a good idea to have two 2x12's, one for clean, one for lead...
*awaits wining lottery ticket*
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can you estimate how old that v30 was??I am about to swap my greenbacks out with 4 v30's from a mesa boogie cab-cel. supposedly has been using different paper as of late and certain v30's are reportedly harsh until about 30-40 hrs of being pushed
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Shaman, its had lots of hours, had it from new in 2001.
I don't know how these Heritage G12m's compare with the chinese G12m's but they're seriously good- just can't get over how good they crunch!
As these are only rated at 20 watts I wouldn't consider using them in an 4X12 as a 1/2 stack with a 100 watter...........
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cool..thanks!I love the vintage greens I have in my 4/12 MArshall cab from 1974-perrrfect with the 50 watt marsh head...but, I have started running my boogie mark IV in stereo, and the greenies get a little flubby-dubby-gonna pull them , keeep them, and insert v30s for the added pwer capability..if i need the greenbacks, I can just swap out..thinking about running 2 greens and 2 v30's...hmmmmmm..man, this stuff can keep a man busy!!
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I use 100w heads, plus an overdrive in front, through a 2x12 or a 4x12. No way the Greenbacks are any use to me!!!
I have V30s in both my cabs and I love them. They do take some breaking in though, and I find they need a bit of time to "warm up" when you use them too. They always sound better after half an hour or so of playing, much like amps do.
Interesting comparison though - cheers for posting :D
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I've never been too impressed with V30's (OK in a 4X12 for grindy stuff) and swapped the one out of my Cornford Harly for a Heritage (pre rola spec) greenback G12M 20 watter.
I have a Cornford Carrera (with V30) and I don't find this at all. I find the amp quite warm overall. My guitar teacher has a Riviera, and a Marshall Blusbreaker and I find both very harsh compaired to the Cornford, (I'm not sure what speakers the Marshal and Rivera are using)
Additionally, I would not want to lose any of the clean headroom of the Carrerra with a less sensitive speaker. So as I use plenty of clean I would only consider changing to a speaker of the same sensitivity.
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I'm not recommending everyone changes out their V30's but I've always felt that the Harly lacked something and IMHO the crunch/breaking up tones (which is what I mostly play) of the Heritage greenback is in a different league compared to the V30, but as the Americans say 'your mileage may vary'................
When my sm57 is returned I'll post some clips.
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I tried many speakers at Matamp for my Mini-Mat and selected the heritage G12M from the bunch. I know my ears were right because TO was commenting on how much better it sounded than when i was running it with the Eminence Wizard (though the Wizard sounds good with more power).
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I swapped out the Jensen C12N in the Fender Blues Jr for the Greenback Heritage and I still get great mids and crunch, but I now also get smooth highs the Jensen was missing.
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I use a Marhall Silver Jubilee 2x12 combo that's loaded with 2 Vintage 30's and I've often wondered if the tone would change that much with swapping the speakers to Greenbacks - is this an option or would I be better sticking with the Vintage 30's? I'm ideally looking for a warmer tone, maybe more bass if possible... what do you guys think?
Thanks
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^Well, as Greenbacks are only 20w each I think, the 2 would only add up to a total of 40w, if your amp is higher than 40w then I think you can damage the speakers.
Speakers do make a huge difference in tone though, could be worth trying something different.
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aye, 40watts.. depending how you wire them determines the ohm.
Celestion do the Classic range with Greenbacks rated at 25watts which wud be fine for most 2x12's running 50watt.. but it's cutting it close.. for instance my 50watt head has a 2x12 with 120watts of capability.
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im a born and bread V30 user, used it with my ENGL's and Splawn.. top class stuff.. used a G12H100 with my Carlton that was nice but probably be a bit too boomy/warm for the splawn or engl..
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I use a Marhall Silver Jubilee 2x12 combo that's loaded with 2 Vintage 30's and I've often wondered if the tone would change that much with swapping the speakers to Greenbacks - is this an option or would I be better sticking with the Vintage 30's? I'm ideally looking for a warmer tone, maybe more bass if possible... what do you guys think?
Thanks
I think a pair of Classic Lead 80s would be your best best. They're just more rounded and less peaky in the mids. They LOVE gain too, just wind it up!!!
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