Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Dane on March 16, 2007, 12:55:43 AM
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Hi,
I was wondering if any of you have come across a dist/od pedal that sound as gd even on SS amp?? It do not need tube amp 2 make it sound gd but of coz with tube amp it sound beta. As for most cases da dist/od pedal sounds awesome thru tube amp but mediocre thru ss amp.
THX
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For anything other than basic practise, solid state amps are ass. You can't polish a turd.
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First of all, please delete the other two identical threads.
OD pedals will almost always sound better in a tube amp, I wouldn't buy one if I was going to use it on a SS. As for a good distortion pedal try a Keeley MT-2, it may take a while to set it up but it's a fantastic pedal and it's not that much money.
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the money for any pedal that makes a SS amp sound good can be far better spent on a good valve amp :P
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I've plugged my H&K Tube Factor into a ss Marshall Mosfet combo once. It actually began to sound like a Marshall.
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Award Session JD10
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How about an MXR Dime Distortion seeing as Dimebag was using SS Randalls at the time?
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How about an MXR Dime Distortion seeing as Dimebag was using SS Randalls at the time?
Yeah, but only because he could never find a tube amp that sounded as loud while remaining as dirty... that is until Krank came along. Then Dime joined the tube army.
Plus, as much as I love the guy, Dimebag's tone was pretty harsh and one-dimensional. It was a grrrrreat metal tone but the DD pedal is exactly the same... I bought one and it's not exactly what you'd call "subtle".
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I loved my old guvnr or drivemaster although is a long time since I had a SS
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Well a gd tube amp will always make any pedal sounds descent, but so far i came across this few that i think is gd od pedals. Skreddy screwdriver, Blackstone 2sv3, Boss BD-2. So far dis r few of my fav. So tryin 2 look out for others like maybe T.Rex, Banzai etc
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i'm beginning to think yu're a retard. your sentences aren't making sense man, probably because you're typing in some unfathomable form of pre-pubescent text language.
Also what you're considering is retarded. A T-rex through a solid state amp is still going to sound like shitee. Spend £300 on a Klon Centaur and a solid state amp will still sound like a solid state amp. if you want a valve sound, save ur your pennies and buy a valve amp. there is no other way. i promise. If there was a cheaper way of doing it, then i'm sure every guitarist on god's green earth would have a) done it and b) told you how to do it too. I appreciate that valve amps are expensive, but if you want a the sound of a specific valve amp on a budget, then there are plenty of good modelling combos which will sound like it, albeit in a somewhat more 2-dimensional manner.
for the time being technology hasn't got far enough to replicate a valve amp convincingly yet. especially not using only a pedal. Sorry.
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i'm beginning to think yu're a retard. your sentences aren't making sense man, probably because you're typing in some unfathomable form of pre-pubescent text language.
I think you will find that he is not English, the handle suggests Danish, but I'm not sure.
I have an old SS Yamaha practice amp that I sometimes use in my office. The Blackstone works well with it, and can even give me harmonic feedback, but the Yamaha has a very good tone to start with.
Also what you're considering is retarded. A T-rex through a solid state amp is still going to sound like shitee. Spend £300 on a Klon Centaur and a solid state amp will still sound like a solid state amp.
If I run my Klon Cenatur into anything, it gives a great sound - have you actually tried one before you make a sweeping statement like this? There are good and bad solid state amps, and if you are using a decent one it is quite possible to put some effects on the front of it to give it some valve characteristics.
I do typically use all valve amps, but in the past is have used the HH VS and also a Vox Dominator, both of which are solid atate. I also have a Roland Bolt 60, which is a hybrid, and have played with guys using Marshall Valve state where they have had a great sound.
Buying a good pedal is never retarded, it will still give a good sound if you change amps. Would you tell him not to change pickups to BK's because he will still get a cr@p sound through SS?
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indysmith:Ooooh well maybe i am a retard like u say. :lol: I am juz asking for opinions. A tube amp is definitely wat i wish 2 get but ooh well my aparment is so small n surrounded by neighbours dat dun tolerate me playin loud. SO juz tinkin of an alternatives. Anyway ss amp are nt shite, its juz nt as gd as Tubes. But i do have frens dat believe SS and Tube are two different beast for different purposes. Anyway if i get tube amp, i still cant crank it, so i still will have to use pedals. Like now what i have is Skreddy SD which is an axesome pedal. And i did not mention about goin after tube tone, juz looking for a pedal that sound gd thru ss amp.
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PhilKing:Thx for understanding. SS and Tube are different .I had tried some of both, and not all Tube amp sounds gd and all SS amps sounds bad.
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Just to chip in.
There are several SS technologys for amp building and they produce completely different sounds.
There are solid state amps that depending on sound the sound you want can do a damned good job. In the 80s there where a number of MOSFET based amps that where actually nice, HH where one such company, but there where several others
Tech 21 amps are also pretty dammed good for non valve.
Some pedals can sound good on Solid State (there are many that sound bad whatever you put them through). Theres valve amps that will never sound good. People are very critical of the Marshall Valvestate for example but I have genuinely heard good sounds from them (no not the sound of it falling down the stairs)
If I had a SS amp and wanted a more valve like sound (without buying a valve amp) I'd get a modelling amp (probably a Vox)
Yes I prefer valve, most of use prefer valve but sometimes it's not the best solution, often due to price.
I do have to add that the SMS style shorthand makes the reading the posting annoying to read.
Rob...
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Whilst this is going a bit off-topic - can I please raise a point here....
Can we PLEASE all try to type in proper English where possible:
In particular can we refrain from typing in mobile phone /text message speak or speaking in Patois or "street talk" that nobody over the age of 21 will understand.
We have quite a few members for whom English is not their first language, yet who all seem to write in a way that we can all understand.
I would use Hunter and Davey as great examples of this (and there are others here too that cope well)
Typing in good English also makes it easier for non English speaking guys to read and understand and feel able to contribute to the forum.
So it's more the English speaking guys who I am speaking to here rather than those whose first language is not English
I'm happy to mix with and chat to anyone and welcome anyone to the forum.
No agendas or issues here - just want to converse as easily as possible, and have us all get along
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Whilst this is going a bit off-topic - can I please raise a point here....
Can we PLEASE all try to type in proper English where possible:
In particular can we refrain from typing in mobile phone /text message speak or speaking in Patois or "street talk" that nobody over the age of 21 will understand.
We have quite a few members for whom English is not their first language, yet who all seem to write in a way that we can all understand.
I would use Hunter and Davey as great examples of this (and there are others here too that cope well)
Typing in good English also makes it easier for non English speaking guys to read and understand and feel able to contribute to the forum.
So it's more the English speaking guys who I am speaking to here rather than those whose first language is not English
I'm happy to mix with and chat to anyone and welcome anyone to the forum.
No agendas or issues here - just want to converse as easily as possible, and have us all get along
+1
English is my first language and it took me about twice as long to read as a normal post would.
Buying a good pedal is never retarded, it will still give a good sound if you change amps. Would you tell him not to change pickups to BK's because he will still get a cr@p sound through SS?
That's a very good point- if you buy good pedals, or pickups etc., they'll still be useful if you upgrade your amp. I'm guessing the worst thing you can do is buy cheapish pedals to try to improve your tone now, which when you get a good amp you end up having to sell because they sound terrible (it's happened to me, :( )
Also, +1 on the general consensus that there are some good SS amps, and some bad valve amps. I prefer valve, but that's not to say they're all good, etc.
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Whilst this is going a bit off-topic - can I please raise a point here....
Can we PLEASE all try to type in proper English where possible:
In particular can we refrain from typing in mobile phone /text message speak or speaking in Patois or "street talk" that nobody over the age of 21 will understand.
We have quite a few members for whom English is not their first language, yet who all seem to write in a way that we can all understand.
I would use Hunter and Davey as great examples of this (and there are others here too that cope well)
Typing in good English also makes it easier for non English speaking guys to read and understand and feel able to contribute to the forum.
So it's more the English speaking guys who I am speaking to here rather than those whose first language is not English
I'm happy to mix with and chat to anyone and welcome anyone to the forum.
No agendas or issues here - just want to converse as easily as possible, and have us all get along
F'shizzle ma nizzle :lol:
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Damn straight bruvs.
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Whilst this is going a bit off-topic - can I please raise a point here....
Can we PLEASE all try to type in proper English where possible:
In particular can we refrain from typing in mobile phone /text message speak or speaking in Patois or "street talk" that nobody over the age of 21 will understand.
We have quite a few members for whom English is not their first language, yet who all seem to write in a way that we can all understand.
I would use Hunter and Davey as great examples of this (and there are others here too that cope well)
Typing in good English also makes it easier for non English speaking guys to read and understand and feel able to contribute to the forum.
So it's more the English speaking guys who I am speaking to here rather than those whose first language is not English
I'm happy to mix with and chat to anyone and welcome anyone to the forum.
No agendas or issues here - just want to converse as easily as possible, and have us all get along
yeah, it is hard to understand the poor dude, but in this case, he is foreign. it is different.
i am younger (not saying exactly how young :P ) than most of these text speaking "shizzle bros" and i find trying to understand them a WASTE OF TIME. for example, it took me a whole day to work out that "newa" = anyway.
right, enough ranting, back on topic.
SS amps can sound very good, my SS practice amp makes me practice more.
BUT i have rarely been impressed by SS pedals. the rocktron metal distortion pedal is quite good, as is the Landmine LD-1, but i believe the best distortion comes from pure tube amp distortion. no pedals, just straight from the amp.
another BUT: if you like the sound of SS pedals a lot, then go ahead and try each one out, see which one kicks your ass.
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I am so sorry guys for annoying you people with the shorthanded typing. That is how i type on my local forum, and yeah i am not english but i actually do take up British English for 10 years in school. Anyway many of us usually hear that SS amp is a no good investment. To me that is only true if you get a bad SS amp. Anyway 1 example for me is the Randall SS amp using the mosfet cicuitry. That amp kills. So lets just share our pleasant experience with pedals that we encounter. As i said my personal favourite would be Skreddy Screwdriver, Blackstone 2sv3, Boss BD-2.
Once again please forgive me on the typing style ealier. 8)
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^ Oh my god! What have you done with Dane? :D :D
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I am so sorry guys for annoying you people with the shorthanded typing. That is how i type on my local forum, and yeah i am not english but i actually do take up British English for 10 years in school. Anyway many of us usually hear that SS amp is a no good investment. To me that is only true if you get a bad SS amp. Anyway 1 example for me is the Randall SS amp using the mosfet cicuitry. That amp kills. So lets just share our pleasant experience with pedals that we encounter. As i said my personal favourite would be Skreddy Screwdriver, Blackstone 2sv3, Boss BD-2.
Once again please forgive me on the typing style ealier. 8)
dude, that was great english!
i get what you mean, but surely if those are your favourites, then why not buy one of those?
unless you are looking for more opinions.......
i think that a pedal will sound great through a SS amp, because as you said, not ALL SS amps are bad. my Behringer GM108 SS modeling amp has the best SS sound i have ever heard. it's really thick and versatile, but it is VERY pickup dependant.
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Would you tell him not to change pickups to BK's because he will still get a cr@p sound through SS?
Yes, definately. I always feel an amp gives you the broadest part of your "voice", changing pickups tweaks and hones that voice.
BKPs through a solid state amp don't sound nice to me, stock squier pickups through a nice old valve amp do.
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BLOODMOUNTAIN: Well i do actually own Skreddy Screwdriver, 1 pedal that is a permanent resident on my board. As for my next od pedal, i am actually looking to get a Blackstone 2sv3. It is something very unique and sounds great. I am just trying to get people who have had an experience where they pushed a SS amp with a pedal and just WOW themselves from the tone it produces. Skreddy Screwdriver did that for me :D
indysmith: Dude i actually had a pleasant time playing a LP loaded with Crawler and I audition it through both SS and Tube amp. It did respond well to both and produce inspiring tones. It's just which 1 you prefer. As for me,it is 2 different animal, SS and Tube amp. Im not saying that you are wrong but it is just your taste. 1 man's meat is another's poison. 8) :D
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Would you tell him not to change pickups to BK's because he will still get a cr@p sound through SS?
Yes, definately. I always feel an amp gives you the broadest part of your "voice", changing pickups tweaks and hones that voice.
BKPs through a solid state amp don't sound nice to me, stock squier pickups through a nice old valve amp do.
Can you tell me which BK's you heard through solid state that you didn't like and which nice old valve amp has magic to change the tone of the pickups? If I play one of my BK loaded guitars through my Yamaha FET amp I can hear the difference between other pickups. I can especially hear the difference when using clean tones, as the BK's give an openness to the sound that many other pickups lack.
If the initial sound going into the amp is cr@p then the amp won't fix it, valve or solid state.
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Woah, those skeddy pedal's sound pretty good...
The Skeddy Top Fuel look just like what im after... awesome.
But i wonder if it'd perform better than the Fulltone OCD...
Or maybe these things arent ment to be used as 'overdrives'...
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Before you slag off MosFet amps - play a Session!
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right bitch you tried a electro harmonix metal muff?
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Adam.M: Skreddy pedals like Screwdriver behave more like a fuzz but is not one. The sound is more like putting a treble booster infront of a fuzz pedal. For Topfuel it is an awesome pedal but if you had read and heard the clips from the website carefully, it was purposely made to have a mid-hump, but still it sounds good doing what it does. Topfuel is based on a Bigmuff but sounds nothing like it. And if you stack both these pedals, you can get into tonal nirvana. :lol: