Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: TwilightOdyssey on July 07, 2005, 03:45:48 PM
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Has anyone ever played these guitars? They look very nice, indeed.
http://www.organicguitars.co.uk/
Not my cup of tea, visually, but the neck heel is HOT!!
The web site says a pr of BKs went into at least one guitar for the LGS. Can anyone shed some light on what model they were?
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I know the pickups are called Organic Classics. They're not yet in the current line up. There's a topic on it somewhere around here.
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I played several at the recent London Guitar Show. Very light weight and resonant. The neck heel joint works. I want to see the trem equiped model as I have the feeling I will want one enough to pull the trigger!
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Check out the 'Organic Classic' thread in this forum. The pickups are similar to the new 'Abraxas IV' pickups I believe.
I am hoping to have a set of these in a couple of weeks for my 53 LP (not a typo - really a 53!),. Once I get them I sould have some of my other stuff set up so I can put up some sounds.
I am really looking forwards to getting these, because this is probably my favourite guitar of all the ones I own (probably joint favourite - I can't pick just one :lol: ).
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I haven’t played any, but they have ordered quite allot of pickups from us. The pickups they have are custom made for them.
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http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=362
Thats my topic on them, I also have a trem model being made at the mo.
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http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=362
Thats my topic on them, I also have a trem model being made at the mo.
As soon as it arrives, I want pictures! :D
How much is that setting you back? I am waiting to see a trem model in the flesh then I will decide on the spec. 99% sure I want one!
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hehe no probs i will post pics when i get it (goin 2 be a couple of months yet).
Price wise its not cheap but imo they are amazing for the price and of course you could have a trem equipped standard, this is a trem equipped classic with a few custom features also. Theres alot of different options you can consider depending on budget.
I will say again that they are the best guitars ive ever played and ive been upto the workshop a couple of times now and will be there many more times as mine is built and i can vouch for the scary perfectionism of duncans work, the guitars are of the very highest quality and scream tone as the bodys and necks are so well matched the sustain is just wonderfull and the ressonance of them is truly amazing. Ive been totaly converted to them.
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Ben, WTF is it with u and handmade british kit!
i read a review in guitar buyer - they seemed to like! ill dig it out once i get home 2night!
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Ben, WTF is it with u and handmade british kit!
Not all my kit is British! :evil:
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lol, at least not yet!!!!
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:lol: :lol: Well im guilty also, BKPs, Organic guitars and Cornford amps. Just happen to like stuff from the u.k i guess lol.
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Hi all,
Firstly apologies for bringing up an old topic, but as the proud owner of an Organic Standard for about 5 months now I reckon I've got a bit to contribute to this particular thread.
I cannot think of a guitar I'd rather own, or of a company who, barring BK of course, has offered better service. I'll say now that Duncan admits to never having had so much 'trouble' with another individual's example - basically, the guy must have spent hours on mine after sale, and still refuses to be charged. Supposed 'problems' included:
-electrics not quite how I liked them - its currently in its 3rd or 4th permutation
-curiously scratchy pots
-more very minor things I can't remember cos they're so very minor
Basically regarding electronic setups he's listened to what I have to say, given advice, modded the guitar. And repeated until I'm as happy as is possible with it.
Regarding BK, I believe I may have been one of the first to own an Organic with said pickups - Nailbomb in the bridge, Stormy Monday in the neck. I don't like to assume too much, but I think the ordering of these is what initiated the custom Organic BK pickups.
Also to any prospective buyers I'd recommend the ebony hardware option; after I pointed out that the smooth pots (unlike the knurled metal ones) were a tad slippy Duncan is buying a knurling machine suitable for the wooden ones, which should therefore in the future look even cooler.
And another thing - the necks are quite thin. If you don't like it, get Duncan to put a 1mm shim under the fingerboard. Did for me, free of charge of course!
Anybody want further stuff about it let me know...I'll stop here before this post gets too Harmony-Central! :D
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HI there.
Nice to see a post from another organic owner.
I saw your standard while i was last down at the workshop, it helped me decide to have ebony knobs on my walnut standard.
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Hello,
Im having a classic 7 string with custom options made at the mo.Its gonna have organic bks american black walnut backand neck, ebony feature
laminate and a flatsawn zebrano top.Full ebony pack (even the pickup rings)
backlocking tuners and hopefully a black chrome bridge :D i cant wait cos these guitars are the most versitle ive ever played.I was gonna have 24frets and a trem but was talked out of it by Duncan because the quality of the tone and sustain is lost. :cry:
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Hi all,
And another thing - the necks are quite thin. If you don't like it, get Duncan to put a 1mm shim under the fingerboard. Did for me, free of charge of course :D
Think about this!!! If you are hand making a neck, to the customers spec, why would you need to shim up the fingerboard? Does not compute!
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Hi all,
And another thing - the necks are quite thin. If you don't like it, get Duncan to put a 1mm shim under the fingerboard. Did for me, free of charge of course :D
Think about this!!! If you are hand making a neck, to the customers spec, why would you need to shim up the fingerboard? Does not compute!
If your process was CNC based , then you might have to unless you were gonna change the programme. I believe Duncan uses a CNC machine
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Hi all,
And another thing - the necks are quite thin. If you don't like it, get Duncan to put a 1mm shim under the fingerboard. Did for me, free of charge of course :D
Think about this!!! If you are hand making a neck, to the customers spec, why would you need to shim up the fingerboard? Does not compute!
If your process was CNC based , then you might have to unless you were gonna change the programme. I believe Duncan uses a CNC machine
My thoughts entirely Jonathan, hence the reference to "hand made". It isn't too difficult to re-programme the coordinates in one axis which is all you'd have to do to make the neck 1mm thicker. You could also use tool or object re-orientation on a lot of machines without re-programming anything. Of course this would cost you a bit of programming/set up time so it's probably cheaper to stick a shim in :wink:
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Think about this!!! If you are hand making a neck, to the customers spec, why would you need to shim up the fingerboard? Does not compute!
If i may but in here.
I believe the shim was done on that guitar because the customer bought a pre made one and then wanted the neck to be slightly thicke but had already purchased the instrument. Or wanted that particular one rather than haveing a new one made from scracth for him so the shim was a good was of solving the problem.
If the instrument had been made for the customer from scratch the the neck profile would have been changed. Also it comes down to money. It costs more if you want a neck done from scratch with a diff profile than the standard one, so as a compromise i guess the shim can be done tho i dout duncan likes doing it knowing how much of a perfectionist he is.
The classic and standard are roughed out on cnc and then hours of shapeing are done however if you want a custom profile or scale lenth or whatever than can be done and made from scratch.
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Stu_r,
The recent discourse regarding the neck thickness was more of a technical discussion on why you would do it rather than any criticism of Organic Guitars. Having said that; if your proposition is correct it still begs the question of why, having removed the fingerboard, would you replace it with a 1mm insert rather than fit a new 1mm thicker fingerboard. Again this is not a criticism, just curiosity. Equally if you believe that an inordinate amount of time is spent in hand finishing the post CND'd part one has to ask the question, as a guitar maker, is the investment in CNC equipment paying it's way.
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The issue is that the cnc was not duncans up untill litteraly the last few weeks. The pieces went to be machined so he couldnt make changes easilily. That is no longer the case now he has his own.
I didnt take it as an attack on organic guitars i took it as a question that i answerd to the best of my current knowledge. Im not 100% sure of the situ with this particular instrument however but the answer was what i seem to remember from talking about the guitar in question.
Im not 100% sure what u mean by asking if the cnc is paying its way but i will add duncan does not have the bodies finished on cnc to the the stage were little finishing is needed simply because he wants to spend time shapeing each instrument. Yes its hippieish lol but he want to put his heart into the makeing of the guitars.
However you simply cannot attack the quality of these instruments (and im not sugesting you are) simply beacuse they are of the highest quality.
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I Love Organic guitars - I'd do ANYTHING for a fixed bridge custom. My ideal guitar. Expensive though (not for what they are, but certainly compared to like a LP standard)
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Stu, this is way off topic now so this is my last comment. I'm not having a go at organic guitars. I have the greatest respect for their products on what is probably a more rational basis than yours. You obviously feel very defensive about about any comment made about them so I won't prolong the discussion. I'm sorry if your sensibilities have been offended; it's nice to see such loyalty to an outstanding British product.
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Im suprised you feel i have been offended or ofronted in anyway im just telling you what i know or what i can remember. I have little problem with what you have to say however this is a disccusion board so im giveing my opinion.
I have no need to be defensive im just answeing your questions to the best of my knowledge. You asked about the reasons for a shim so i said what i knew. You asked about cnc and i said what i knew about duncan not haveing the ability to do it himself untill very recently. I just said what i was aware of. Theres no defensive nature dude.
There was no agression behind anything i said just my opinions and my opinions are based of spending alot of time talking to duncan and playing his guitars.
I do have a loyality to them yes but simply coz i love them as a player and the guitars are what has cultivatd that in me. If i found flaws however i would say. I see things for what they are and if the quality went down hill or there was a prob or something made i didnt like i would say. I dont do blind praise lol.
Anyhow enough of the rambling hehe. Realy tho dude its not defensive or agressive and i havent been offended im just trying to put forward what i know in the disscusion.
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Duncan put the shim in because I thought the neck was a bit thin; I had the option to have a custom profiled neck but at a greater expense, which I couldn't afford.
He couldn't/wouldn't change the CNC programme, which would tie in with him not owning the CNCs.
Anyway at the time I got it he did custom necks from scratch by hand. Probably still does. I felt the neck, fingerboard and shim clamped together, liked it, so thats what he did. Simple as that! :)