Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Crazy_Joe on March 23, 2007, 11:01:46 PM
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Ok choosing guitars again i'll make it simple.
Secondhand USA Kramer Baretta £299 - $%&#ing quality price! OFR 1 hum 1 volume, top notch parts as you would expect from a USA built guitar, but not very versatile.
A Les Paul - Most likely Jap Tokai - More versatile and my prefered wood, but a lot more expensive and i might want a trem a few months later!
Both do 80's metal and heavy metal, i want a guitar to keep though i don't want to have to sell it a few months later, my Jap Tokai Explorer is the best sounding guitar i have ever played that's why it has stayed on board and the others flogged.
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Kramer for me.
Bring on the whammeh!
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:lol: i must admit i love whammy bars!
But i've always wanted a proper Les Paul.
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I've allways been more of an SG man than a Les Paul man.
Just can't get the point in having a single cutaway. Seems so needlessly restricting.
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Go for the Les Paul and the versatility, once you've "pimped" it with a whammy bar later on you'll be glad you went down the long road rather than the short, quick gratification route.
Although I agree with NP, get an SG: a menace and get a floyd-rose fitted
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SG.... With a..... Floyd?!
$%&# I NEED ONE!
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les paul :)
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It depends... do you already have a guitar with a floyd? IMO, you should get the one that fills the biggest hole in your collection...
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yeah a LP will be similar (but not the same) in its sound and design to your explorer.
If you havent got a superstrat you definately need one, and that's a great price. Unless of course you just dont like superstrats
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i'd go with the LP for the versatility, as said before, you can always fit a trem later, i think schaller actually make trem systems that can go straight on to a Les Paul without the need of any routing etc.
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Are you sure that Kramer Baretta's any better than your HD-loaded Ibanez, Joe?
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You need to be careful with Kramers as well. There's a lot of modern Korean ones being passed off as 80s originals. I'd say go for the lester.
More versatile, will sound better, and there's just something about a lester. You can always fit one of these http://www.wammiusa.com/7200.html at a later date. Indeed, that would be really cool and would give you a unique guitar.
I don't think the block on a floyd will fit an SG boys. As to why have a single cutaway? TONE.
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Or you can fit a Stetsbar (http://stetsbar.com/index.html). No routing required!
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I'm liking the idea of the trem on les paul, but is it locking? Does it need a locking nut?
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The Kahler is of course locking (and doesn't need routing either). You can get away with a roller nut and locking tuners with a Kahler, but you will need to replace the nut one way or another (the Kahler locking nuts are pretty cool anyway http://www.wammiusa.com/5514.html )
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But can you divebomb with the nonrouted kahlers?
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No reason why not. Remember, Kahlers work on a cam, not a pivot, so the attachment isn't that important.
Besides which, the routed ones won't work on a carved top, as you need a large flat surface to mount them.
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the schaller bridge is not locking, i think it uses the block of the Les Paul, as opposed to having the block built in like most trems
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So it will go out of tune when it dive bombs then?
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Depends how far you take it and how well it's set up. I'm somewhat confused as to what Tarzan means by "the block of the Les Paul"
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If i were to put one on there it would have to be locking, so it would probably be that Kahler, though i don't see any UK sites that sell them.
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The dollar is weak, the pound is strong,a bridge isn't that big. You could have it express couriered by DHL and it would still only cost you £110 before taxes (which you may or may not end up paying)
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I'm seriously considering that bridge for my viper...
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The Kahler is of course locking (and doesn't need routing either).
Sorry to be pedantic, but all Kahler trem systems do require routing to the top of the guitar, including the stud-mounted ones for Les Pauls.
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After finally finding the correct section (that sight is not the easiest to navigate) it would appear you are right. Still less of a job than a Floyd though.
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After finally finding the correct section (that sight is not the easiest to navigate) it would appear you are right. Still less of a job than a Floyd though.
"less of a job" my ass hahahaha.
Theyr amazing trems i'll give you that, but every tech i've met HATES them. They're a huge bitch to work with and set up, and their arms break off really easily.
the only whammy that i know doesnt require routing is the StetsBar. It only fits on guitars that have stoptail/tune o matic bridges... unless you want to cut holes for it. I havent tried it, but i'm not sure if it has the range of a kahler or a floyd...
EDIT: i lied... seems they have new models that can fit Telecasters, and have a model that will need routings...
the stoptail and tele bridges dont need routing though...
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^ I'd describe routing a uniform, shallow square less of a job than routing all the way though the body with three different shapes at 3 different depths, yes :roll: