Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: WITH FULL DISTORTION on March 29, 2007, 04:54:11 AM
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Hails Guys
iīm having the most serious Gas attack i ever had
and i just canīt get rid of it,PLus.. i want tomake the right CHoice now.. but i have some doubts about some technical details about some guitars.
i recently played that korean Washburn dimebag darrell signature.
i fund out that the bridge is a little bit backwards in comparison to a Strat,ro my charvel. kinda similar to a Gibson Sg Bridge(i hated that bridge. totally Unconfortable).
the scale is short, and the neck really FEELS WEIRD.
i also played a Jackson JDR CONCEPT. although i liked the neck,itīs kinda THICK,pretty different frommy charvelfusiuon deluxe;.itīs the guitar iīll take as a comparison
other than that.. that jackson has the same problem i found on my ibanez s prestige 1220 and my rg 570. the bridge is way too forward.and and i canīt play it proper.
Whatīs wrong with me!?!? or should i say,whats wrong with the guitars!?
these guitars i mentioned, the ibanezes and the jackson, i think they have that larger scale, not sure if itīs a 25ī75 or a 25ī5.
but when i Blastpicking(tremolo/speed picking.commonly used in Black/death metal) palm mutted mainly, it gets too much noise.. cause my chops are a little bit MACHO MAN, and i tend topush teh pick against the strings .. and with these kinds of bridges, in this position i mentioned,it enphasises the Picking Noise against the strings,and then it gets Muddy
iīm really starting to get sad... . cause i would liek to have a guitar that i could detune to C and B, but i donīt want to have that problem with my chops when palm mutting black/death metalpicking.
so, any advices or solutions would be welcome.
my charvel fusion deluxe.. itīs pretty confortable ... and my fender Was .. but they are kinda short scale... if iīm not mistaken.. so,iīm affraid that there isnīt a way to do a long sclae guitar,without project the bridge forward... and that willsmash my dreams.
or theres a way to do that? maybe projecting the NECK more Inside the guitar body,so the bridge will be more backwards.. and then.. it wil be in the point i want and iīm used to play with it that way!?
am i writting somene fromanother planet? iīm affraid my english isnīt clear.
cause iīm thinking to much on my native language.. and when translated, it can be a big mess for you to understand
Hails,
JP
q:(
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Fenders and Charvels are as long scale as you can get before going baritone.
Try the ESP Stephen Carpenter models, they're a favourite for alot of metal bands that play in C/B standard although they are 7 string, and one of them is baritone.
Other than that look at a bunch of baritone guitars or 7 strings if you wanna play in lower tunings, I'd look at the Schecter Hellraiser 7 which I've heard is amazing.
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It's alright, you're English is fine :)
Where abouts do you position your guitar with your strap- if you have it too low, you might be picking 'down' the strings more than across them; try raising the guitar up slightly, and see if that helps at all?
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Iīm already playing with it almost in my NECK. ahahahahahaha
Ahhhhhhh i forgot to say that i donīt liek 7 strings
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Unfortunately
thanks for the replies guys
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Your Charvel has a 24.75" Gibson style scale but your fender should be 25.5", the same as the Ibanez and Jackson but of course with a different bridge. Maybe the springs don't pull hard enough? The Schaller springs in your Charvel are probably better than in the other guitars you mentioned. Also were they tuned down? Maybe the string gauge was too light?
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I thought Charvell super strats had the same scale necks as Jacksons?
I guess I was wrong.
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My charvel Fusion Deluxe has that 24,75 scale.Right.
but the jackson i mentioned doesnīt have the same scale.
my charvel is using D standard tuning,BUT WITH 013
its not a spring issue on the ibanez rg, and the ibanez s(i just traded today. came from the post office today)has a shorter scale,compared to the ibanez rg.
but the nut of the S is wider than teh charvel one. and the same of the Rg i guess.
So,a luthier friend of mine said that, the more the neck is out of the body,the more forward the bridge position will be
so,if theres a way to do a 27' scale and put the neck kinda more inside the body itself, iīll find my perfect Guitar
that Gibson les paulbridge position, and fender stratocaster bridge positions just do it for me
Q:p
JP
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try a gibs explorer or a jackson warrior... they have pretty sweet bridge placement. They dont have normal scales, BUT string tension can be fixed by getting fatter strings.
Also, try carved top guitars... i have a problem playing flattop's like strats and ibanez's and shite because the bridge placement hurts my shoulder, but carved tops fixed it for me.
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My charvel Fusion Deluxe has that 24,75 scale.Right.
but the jackson i mentioned doesnīt have the same scale.
my charvel is using D standard tuning,BUT WITH 013
its not a spring issue on the ibanez rg, and the ibanez s(i just traded today. came from the post office today)has a shorter scale,compared to the ibanez rg.
but the nut of the S is wider than teh charvel one. and the same of the Rg i guess.
So,a luthier friend of mine said that, the more the neck is out of the body,the more forward the bridge position will be
so,if theres a way to do a 27' scale and put the neck kinda more inside the body itself, iīll find my perfect Guitar
that Gibson les paulbridge position, and fender stratocaster bridge positions just do it for me
Q:p
JP
dude it sounds like you know EXACTLY what you want from a guitar...
why not go custom?
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Prolly cos Luthiers in Brazil are hard to find.
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^very true
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Prolly cos Luthiers in Brazil are hard to find.
and probably because he wants a guitar soon.....
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also probably very true... lol..
but still... it seems to make sense that if you know exactly what you want even down to bridge placement blah blah.... then custom would be a great choice... and whilst luthiers may well be rare there im sure there are luthiers...
also- finding EXACTLY what he wants in a production-line guitar may take lots of time and money any way, with hassle of going through loads before he settles on one...
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also probably very true... lol..
but still... it seems to make sense that if you know exactly what you want even down to bridge placement blah blah.... then custom would be a great choice... and whilst luthiers may well be rare there im sure there are luthiers...
also- finding EXACTLY what he wants in a production-line guitar may take lots of time and money any way, with hassle of going through loads before he settles on one...
also very true...... well said.... although with the forum's help then he may find the guitar quicker :D
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again- very true!!!
we're good at this...
:lol:
we have quickly and efficiently managed to outline the pros and cons of the two methods of acquiring this new guitar he is seeking...
im proud... :)
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Didn't he say he was talking to a Luthier buddy of his?
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again- very true!!!
we're good at this...
:lol:
we have quickly and efficiently managed to outline the pros and cons of the two methods of acquiring this new guitar he is seeking...
im proud... :)
haha same! right, back on topic.... :lol:
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yes.... back on topic... lol... ah its almost like the good ol' days!!!
anyway...
Didn't he say he was talking to a Luthier buddy of his?
no clue man...
might have done....?
if he did it would make sense to at least look into that option a bit further.. get a quote in terms of both price and time... e.t.c. e.t.c.
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yes.... back on topic... lol... ah its almost like the good ol' days!!!
anyway...
Didn't he say he was talking to a Luthier buddy of his?
no clue man...
might have done....?
if he did it would make sense to at least look into that option a bit further.. get a quote in terms of both price and time... e.t.c. e.t.c.
yeah he did, and i would also suggest getting a quote off him.
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Prolly cos Luthiers in Brazil are hard to find.
EXACTLY
they have these one. the best quality luthier frombrazil
btu he asks the like 2000 US for the guitar.
kinda.. 4000 braizlian money
Q:/
www.nzaganin.com.br/
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ahahahahahahaah You guyw are pretty Funny and educative
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i didnt know that you guys from UK are so funny
ahahahahahahahaha
well, iīm having gas for more than one guitar model, but i mainly want to find my personal specs and setting in a guitar, so iīll repeat the pattern on the otehr models,just changidn model and shape.but keeping the same characters.
what i donīt know is what pickusp will go through them. but,instead of follow my own Advice,this time iīll follow timīs advice and iīll get BKPS as he suggested
Warpig, and Painkiller for the next guitars
Q:p
now getting back to the topic.. in fact,floyd rose is something i really Enjoy
that Bee,os moskito sound when pull out a natural harmonic on a fret and pull the whammy bar upside .. itīs almost an orgasm.
a larger scale is required for downtuned madness.
iīll need 2 guitars with custom scale,27' for downtuned madness.
one for B and anotehr one for C.
C is my favorite Personal tune..but the standard for me is D .
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I like Wood finishes and see thru/translucent ones.. like Blood Red, Blue and/or Green.
or a Totally White or black.
22 or 24 frets. that doesnīt matter, Unless if itīs going toinfluence the string tension.and i like it very tight. as well as the bass.
bass and string tension are two details that i want as tight as a ratts ass.
Q:p
then thereīs that bridge Thing.. and,i think thats it.
Mahogany ,poplar or Korina Body. (in fact somethign that will give me a darker tone, without sounding muddy. and of course a pretty resonant wood)
the floyd rose can be either schaller,or gotoh or OFR. the better price/quality for my Short money. ahahaha
BKPS As the main pickups, of course. And.. tuners can be gotoh also,or grover,or sperzel. this time iīll experience with Lockign tuners.
Q:)
JP
thankīs for all the replies guys.
Hails
JP
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Yeah, iīm talking with a guy i recently met on the internet. heīs luthier, and although i didnīt play any of his guitars, they LOOK Pretty well done . both construction,painting and finsihing wise.
see it for yourself.
http://ubbibr.fotolog.com/marcio636/
let me hear your coments about his work.
JP
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His prices are pretty reasonable.
hé sasking 1500 to deliver it to me.
but without pickups.
so, it means that it will have a set of BARE KNUCKLES
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and it will have Brazilian ONLY wood
like Imbuia,Freijī,Rouxinho, Guajuvira, canjerana, araucaria, tauari, marfim,
Q:p
JP
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Hmmmm 9 piece neck ^_^
Very nice stuff, and a great price it seems.
And usually It's better things don't get pickups in, cos I know you'll want to upgrade to BKPs straight away :P
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Of course iīll
but theres a bad thing i need to confess
Iīll not get rid of my EMGS
ahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Q:p
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For info; the bridge position on the body, which if I understand you correctly is at the hub of the problem, is influenced by the number of frets more than the scale length. To make the last fret as accessible on a 24 fret as it is on a 22 fret neck for a given body design the whole scale length (bridge to nut) has to move about 20mm to place the 24th where the 22nd would normally be. Thus pulling the bridge closer to the neck pocket.
Cheers,
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For info; the bridge position on the body, which if I understand you correctly is at the hub of the problem, is influenced by the number of frets more than the scale length. To make the last fret as accessible on a 24 fret as it is on a 22 fret neck for a given body design the whole scale length (bridge to nut) has to move about 20mm to place the 24th where the 22nd would normally be. Thus pulling the bridge closer to the neck pocket.
Cheers,
Hails BOB, Thankīs for the Help Man
iīll read it carefully when i come back from school. cause right now iīm in a hush. ahahahahahah
but,just a little question.. By doing what you told me, will that affect the Intonation of the instrument!?!?!
Hails
JP
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Indeed it would. Quite severely.
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Indeed it would. Quite severely.
You've misunderstood me. I didn't say anyone should move anything. If you read it carefully my note merely says that for a given body design a 24 fret version will position the bridge approximately 20mm (depending on scale length) closer to the neck pocket than it would be on a 22 fret version. Very basic mathmatics!
Part of the original issue was the bridge position on various guitars followed by a number of references from various folks about scale length.
All I was trying to say is that the number of frets and the point at which the neck joins the body are far more important than scale length in this respect.
Cheers, :)
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My response was basically, on a 24 fret guitar if you moved the bridge back 20 mm so that it's where it would be on a 22 fret guitar, you would muck up the intonation :p
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so,if theres a way to do a 27' scale and put the neck kinda more inside the body itself, iīll find my perfect Guitar
Q:p
JP
You might find it hard to get one but I think a Caparison HGS is pretty close to what you describe above (although not the 27" scale I think).
HGS (Heavy Gauge Strings)
The model itself has the heavy gauge strings for tuning down, which is a popular requirement in the Death Metal music scene, for example. The bridge position is mounted 3mm further along than regularly seen on other guitars; this is to help when adjusting heavy gauge strings to an octave deeper in pitch. In addition, the pickup position is changed as the bridge moved. This means that players, never again need to change their playing technique because the neck length is always the same.
From http://www.kyowashokai.co.jp/caparison-eng/e-07product/e07horus-hgs.html
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Not to forget that Caparisons are godly.
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Hummm i already checked Them
i just need a suggestion/addvice fixation for my problem. so i can Talk with that luthier i found here in brazil and do my 2 custom guitars.One strat (with flyd and big cbs headstock style) and one like my charvel(super strat)
Do the kind of the Neck pickups(or the absence of it)(or the use or not of a floyd,instead of a fixed bridge or a vintage tremolo bridge?) influence on this bridge distance?
i saw that krammer Explorer copy,and it has the neck put a little bit near the bridge as it is usually placed.
so, there may be something related to it.
Also, if itīs necessary,i can ,instead of using a real humbucker on the neck, i can use a single on the neck slot.
Thankīs BOB
and thankīs all of you guys