Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: noodleplugerine on March 29, 2007, 09:42:37 PM
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Firstly, been talking about this for a while, and although I love my EMGs, I want camo covers. And yes I know that's pathetic. And I know it's simply aesthetic. But even the greatest of men can indulge!
The tone would improve aswell I hope, since although I love my EMGs, they have a very weird sound... Not muddy... Very clear... But not at all clear.
It's like they're making TV static sound, but it's very CLEAR static!
Anyone know what I mean? It's very weird methinks :p
Anyway, basically, I'm into a modern metal, and my fave band by quite a distance - In Flames, and yes I do know they play Gibsons with EMG 81s, while I have an SG shape with an EMG 81 in it :p
Basically I want a very high output pickup, with tight bass but not stupidly trebbly, I don't wanna sound like EVH, and I don't want mids turned to 11 like Dimebag.
I love chugging, it's part of what I do just like all metal fans, and I like to shred (when the gain's high enough), the stuff I play is mostly melodic riffs like In Flames stuff, with some chug chug Rhythm.
I was thinking the Nailbomb or the Warpig, but I heard the Warpig was a very bassy pickup, for more like Lamb of God / Slayer, while the Nailbomb is a more Sikth/In Flames style pup?
Or maybe even a warpig at the neck and a Nailbomb in the Bridge? Meaning I can get chug chug at neck and Melodic riffs and my solos at the Bridge?
Has anyone tried a Warpig/Nailbomb combination? Or am I just being stupid?
Tone I'm going for:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu3DvBaDAY8
Guitar it's going into is an ESP Viper - Full mahogany, tuned to standard.
Last thing: I know switching from EMGs has it's problems, but how much so?
Will I need to replace the pots? I've heard that EMGs use 300k, while most BKPs are suited for 500k?
Thanks for the help guys ^_^
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firstly- as always i cant help on pickup recommendations... :lol:
but i can shed a little bit of insight into active to passive... cause i looked into the same thing for my Jackson.,..
i THINK im right in saying you'll need to strip it all out.... my local shop has an online pricing thingy of about £40 to do that.... (including fitting the pickups i think)... bit of a bitch but well worth it if your cr@p at soldering like me...
also... i know EXACTLY what you mean with your EMG description lol...
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I was thinking Miracle Men for EMG 81 or Ceramic Warpig, but maybe that's because i'm biased towards ceramic magnets!
BTW I thought the Dimebag thing was the other way round weren't his mids turned to 0 rather than 11?!
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And Sambo, my soldering's not a problem, but when you say strip it out, are you talking about replacing EVERYTHING? Is there some sort of Battery powered Jack I don't know about?
When I went to my local (Electrohill - Palmers Green) they said £30 per pickup. My reply was something along the lines of -
"K, give me a sec, I'll just tear a sleeve from my solid gold suit."
So I think I've decided at prices like those I'm much better off doing the job myself, whatever job that is.
I was thinking Miracle Men for EMG 81 or Ceramic Warpig, but maybe that's because i'm biased towards ceramic magnets!
BTW I thought the Dimebag thing was the other way round weren't his mids turned to 0 rather than 11?!
No idea, but something was hella wrong with them :S
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haha
yer his tone always sounded kinda... Bass 10, Mids 0, Treble 10, kinda thing... (imo)
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BTW I thought the Dimebag thing was the other way round weren't his mids turned to 0 rather than 11?!
yeah......
i would probably go for Nailbomb, although if you get a Warpig then turn the bass on your amp down, you should be fine..... no???
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mm my mates warpig is pretty bassy... then again is in a cruddy little dean...
and i havent had much time to experiment with it...
i would probably go with nailbomb personally
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I've personality never liked EMG's :D. Too thin, artificial, no balls, ect....theres a lot of words I can think up of that decribe what I hear from EMG's. I've played through Les Pauls and all sorts of guitars with EMG's. I've done tons of wiring jobs involving EMG's (I work in a guitar shop) they're relatively easy to install and EMG makes it easier for you too.
Just my opinion, i'm too addicted to passive pickups. Now I wish I could say the same for Bass.
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How are they like to take out?
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How are they like to take out?
Simple really, just remember that active pickups usually need 1 Meg pots and Humbuckers need 500K and Singles with 250K. Of course it doesn't hurt to experiment but thats usually the ground rules of what I go by. Also remember that Active pups use Stereo input jacks and passive use mono; so you'd need to replace that too if you want.
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How are they like to take out?
Simple really, just remember that active pickups usually need 1 Meg pots and Humbuckers need 500K and Singles with 250K. Of course it doesn't hurt to experiment but thats usually the ground rules of what I go by. Also remember that Active pups use Stereo input jacks and passive use mono; so you'd need to replace that too if you want.
Oh yeah, depends on how old your EMG's are but EMG's wires can be disconnected on the pickup, which makes it REALLY convient and easier.
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So basically, the whole lot needs to be rewired.
How much would 2 new pots, with a new jack cost?
£20? £40?
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So basically, the whole lot needs to be rewired.
How much would 2 new pots, with a new jack cost?
£20? £40?
I'm from the states so you'd have to excuse my lack of knowledge in Euros. Thankfully google has something that can help me:
Pots at where I work are 5 dollars and an input would be the same. So you're probably looking at around 11-15 euros. But from my understanding guitar stuff is much more inexpensive in the states.
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The American worker and the Brittish Pound... Natural enemies :lol:
Cheers for the insight!
As long as it's under £30 ($59.9999998) I'll probably be ok.
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The American worker and the Brittish Pound... Natural enemies :lol:
Cheers for the insight!
As long as it's under £30 ($59.9999998) I'll probably be ok.
That would be insane!! No, and make sure you get CTS pots and Switchcraft Input jacks. That stuff is A++++ quality eletronics.
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man, you're really confused :lol:
Dimebag used Bill Lawrence L500XL (very scooped, thin, but nice sounding and suprisingly heavy pickup), BUT he used an EQ cranking the mids right before the amp, exactly like Van Halen and Randy Rhoads (nnnnoooooooise)
i think warpig won't give this sharp sound you're looking for
i'd go with Miracle Man set or a Painkiller set
maybe an overwound alnico Miracle Man in the bridge will sound more modern and full like an emg 85, but not so nasally as a Warpig
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Firstly, been talking about this for a while, and although I love my EMGs, I want camo covers. And yes I know that's pathetic. And I know it's simply aesthetic. But even the greatest of men can indulge!
The tone would improve aswell I hope, since although I love my EMGs, they have a very weird sound... Not muddy... Very clear... But not at all clear.
It's like they're making TV static sound, but it's very CLEAR static!
Anyone know what I mean? It's very weird methinks :p
Anyway, basically, I'm into a modern metal, and my fave band by quite a distance - In Flames, and yes I do know they play Gibsons with EMG 81s, while I have an SG shape with an EMG 81 in it :p
Basically I want a very high output pickup, with tight bass but not stupidly trebbly, I don't wanna sound like EVH, and I don't want mids turned to 11 like Dimebag.
I love chugging, it's part of what I do just like all metal fans, and I like to shred (when the gain's high enough), the stuff I play is mostly melodic riffs like In Flames stuff, with some chug chug Rhythm.
I was thinking the Nailbomb or the Warpig, but I heard the Warpig was a very bassy pickup, for more like Lamb of God / Slayer, while the Nailbomb is a more Sikth/In Flames style pup?
Or maybe even a warpig at the neck and a Nailbomb in the Bridge? Meaning I can get chug chug at neck and Melodic riffs and my solos at the Bridge?
Has anyone tried a Warpig/Nailbomb combination? Or am I just being stupid?
Tone I'm going for:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu3DvBaDAY8
Guitar it's going into is an ESP Viper - Full mahogany, tuned to standard.
Last thing: I know switching from EMGs has it's problems, but how much so?
Will I need to replace the pots? I've heard that EMGs use 300k, while most BKPs are suited for 500k?
Thanks for the help guys ^_^
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Hi,
i had to chime in here!
I have used EMG 81 in the bridge of my Jackson/Fernandes all neckthrough guitars with diffrent wood types since 1989. I made research bought 3 pickups and ended up with th 4th that was a Bareknuckle Miracle Man...and WOW!
I haven't had a thought on a EMG 81 since...
E
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man, you're really confused :lol:
Dimebag used Bill Lawrence L500XL (very scooped, thin, but nice sounding and suprisingly heavy pickup), BUT he used an EQ cranking the mids right before the amp, exactly like Van Halen and Randy Rhoads (nnnnoooooooise)
i think warpig won't give this sharp sound you're looking for
i'd go with Miracle Man set or a Painkiller set
maybe an overwound alnico Miracle Man in the bridge will sound more modern and full like an emg 85, but not so nasally as a Warpig
Sounds great!
Atm I think I'm looking at the Miracle Man, but I wish the BKP lads would make some tone charts :p
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i have emgs, and i´m pretty confortable with them
i dont´plan to sell it, just to left them in a box.until i have more guitars toput them in
i´ll put bkps on the schecter, that has emgs now.
emgs has 25k pots.
if you are changing from emgs to another brand,non active pickups, you will need 500 k pots.for SURE.
besides of that, i play a nailbomb. it´s awesome.
it´s just a little bit clouded for palm muted Speed/tremolo picking .. but besides of that, excellent for the style you mentioned
JP
www.myspace.com/wfd666 or www.youtube.com/wfd666
for the clips with the nailbomb , 5150, and charvel.
the last 2 ones. terrorizer and lock Up
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Sigh!
My priorities might have changed a bit when the single valve in my Vox started popping 20 mins ago.
Pain in the arse amp....
I refuse to spend £50 to pay someone to put a valve into an amp which I spent £80 on, so I'll buy a good amp ffs.
So now my choices are put some money towards an amp (will prolly have about £400~) or play into a keyboard amp through my Boss ME-50 and get some Miracle Men.
The amp will prolly benefit me more =/
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Hey mate, Ok well I have a dual allen head MM in the bridge of and all birdseye guitar and now a cheap westfield gibbo copy and an 81 in a mahogany prs style guitar.
The MM is not scooped but has a slight dip in the mids whereas the 81 has a spike. This makes fast runs sound alot more fluid (not that Im any good) The bass is also different in the fact that its very low and huge and sooo tight, tighter than an 81, pinch harmonics are about the same although they sound cleaner on the MM.
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The In Flames sound is the result of a big production with guitar tracks layered overdubbed etc. ... No pickup in the world will make you sound like an In Flames record.
Find out what your guitar sounds acoustically and where you want to get it with a pickup. That will make it easier to decide on one.
Dimebag used Bill Lawrence L500XL
Actually that is a well-known claim which apparently is not so true. Apparently he used pickups from the Seymour Duncan custom shop already much earlier in his guitars BEFORE Seymour made his signature pickup. Since all these pickups looked the same, it's hard to tell from when he started using Duncans.
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Then how do you explain their identical live tone? :S
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Then how do you explain their identical live tone? :S
two walls of rectos :wink:
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Then how do you explain their identical live tone? :S
two walls of rectos :wink:
actually, they use 5150's :D
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Yeah, and they don't use a wall... Unless it's off stage... But frankly, I think the point of having a wall of amps is kinda defeated if you don't show the audience them :p
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Ah, foiled! It looked like rectos from half way across the MEN, and with all the silly lights they had it decked out it it was a little hard to tell one black amp from another.
Definately 2 walls though. At least 12 heads on stage. I saw them with both my eyes.
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Woah :o
When was this?
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Then how do you explain their identical live tone? :S
It's all in the fingers.
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Woah :o
When was this?
Supporting slayer a few months ago in the MEN
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Awesome!
How was the gig?
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I wasnt too impressed with in flames. Never have been, though.
Slayer were consumate. Cant say fairer than that.
The day went to lamb of god. They threw their all into it and the the sound....jesus, it sounded like every bit of kit was on the virge of exploding. Superb.
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i loved that tour! i saw them all in Cardiff, Slayer were VERY THRASHY!!! as usual 8) CoB were very good too, and so were In Flames...
but again, Lamb Of God were the stars of the show, it was amazing, rhythms pumping through the floor, and great brutal tone!!!
haha we missed Thine Eyes Bleed, because we turned up a bit late :lol:
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I'm guessing this was Unholy Alliance?
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I saw that tour, Lamb of God's tone was wayyy too treblely and I had pit tickets too.
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Sorry to burst anyone's bubble but the walls are usually faked and are just for show, generally only two cabs are used at a time and mic'd up, I know this is definitely true of lamb of god it's on a dvd a friend of mine showed me.
I'm not entirely sure if this is true or not..... but I am led to believe what you see on motorhead stage may be the exception to the rule and that is everything is pretty much being used.
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How about Iommi?
Would be a huge waste of time and money if it was fake.
It would be easier just to do it genuinely.
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Yeah, it was. I missed thine eyes and caught the end of CoB (who I'm also not really enamoured with, hence the not being fussed about being on time for them, but they did perform very well, great sound)
I was about half way back for LoG, and it sounded great.
'Too trebly' is an opinion, mate. Fair enough, but I didnt find it to be that.
And, yeah, most walls of amps are fake (slayer for example I think had 12 cabs each in inverted crosses but I know they only play through 2 each). However, I saw amp heads and heard a pretty thick tone, and where I see amp heads and hear thick tone I tend to think...walks like a Wall of Death, quacks like a Wall of Death.....
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Sorry to burst anyone's bubble but the walls are usually faked and are just for show, generally only two cabs are used at a time and mic'd up, I know this is definitely true of lamb of god it's on a dvd a friend of mine showed me.
I'm not entirely sure if this is true or not..... but I am led to believe what you see on motorhead stage may be the exception to the rule and that is everything is pretty much being used.
it is true, i saw something where he was showing off his gear (Willie) and he said only 2 were loaded.......
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LOG are always great, well, the three times I've seen them they have been (heh) :twisted:
The Unholy Allience gig at Brixton was patchy - sound guy $%&#ed everyone till In Flames (better) then finally Slayer who had an amazing live sound as always.
Best Slayer gig I've seen was on the God Hates Us all tour with LOG supporting - that was an awesome gig, barely escaped out the pit alive :twisted: