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At The Back => The Dressing Room => Topic started by: horsehead on April 03, 2007, 01:40:31 PM
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did they take rock music forward, or make it a laughing stock...discuss
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The who?! PDT_008
Oh, you mean that band that made all that flash-in-the-pan money by capitalizing on a dozen sounds, none of them original?
Personally, I love Permission To Land as a semi-guiltly pleasure. The follow up was terrible.
They didn't push rock music forward or back in my opinion. They just cashed in on a sound. It was nice hearing solos on the radio, again, however.
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they brought back good, fun, glamorous rock and were damn good at it! i wouldn't say they moved anything forward, they were hardly ground breaking. they were made a laughing stock by the small minded back-lash mentality press in this depressing little country who (for now) prefer the dull mediocrity of the kaiser chiefs etc. ( note to Alanis Morissette, kaiser's new song "everything is average nowadays". now THAT'S irony!)
they were a fantastic live band, excellent musicians, and the problem was that people took it all much too seriously. should've just enjoyed them for what they were.
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I think they made people want more than power chords for the first time in 10 years.
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I can't stand them to be honest, the only thing i liked was some of the guitar solos i think.
Justin Hawkens or whatever his name is is an absolute tit.
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I think they made people want more than power chords for the first time in 10 years.
Really? Who would you define as 'people'? The radio-fed sheep that will eat whatever cr@p the Powers That Be tell them is 'good'? Or the Generation Z fall-out children of the post-grunge so-called nu-metal 'thrash' variety that haven't been exposed to good (or any) soloing through mainstream outlets?
Because I've ALWAYS wanted to hear more than power chords, and I think any guitar player reaching beynd the remedial would want the same.
ps - I'm not flaming you, noodle. Just tryin to dig a little deeper with this one, because we're talking about a band that, while they had mainstream success and some credibility, were ultimately just another passng fad.
pps - And, yes, I take this stuff very seriously. It's my life and my vocation!
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I can't stand them to be honest, the only thing i liked was some of the guitar solos i think.
Justin Hawkens or whatever his name is is an absolute tit.
That's more like it. :)
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I hated the entire style of the band, and their image, but they weren't typical.
When I say people, I mean people who aren't old enough or didn't care enough to remember the days when it was more than power chords.
And even those who can remember have been so used to bands getting more average by the day that they've forgotten what good guitar playing is. Darkness kinda woke up I guess.
That being said, the simplicity of Indie and emo music is still there, and that music is as popular as ever.
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The who?! PDT_008
Oh, you mean that band that made all that flash-in-the-pan money by capitalizing on a dozen sounds, none of them original?
Personally, I love Permission To Land as a semi-guiltly pleasure. The follow up was terrible.
They didn't push rock music forward or back in my opinion. They just cashed in on a sound. It was nice hearing solos on the radio, again, however.
+1, I definitely liked them. and solos/80's style rock music on the radio was awesome. I didn't actually hear the second album, but of the singles, is it just me (think that's the title) was excellent, though the other two singles were terrible.
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At least they got some rock n' roll back on the airwaves. And there was some humor in there.
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yeah, there seems to be very little "rock" in emo/alternative. there's no blues in there, no real "rocking". for want of a better expression.
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i thought they came up with some cool riffs!!! stuck in a rut and black shuck had a vintage ac/dc vibe. and there was some good songs that made me chuckle and actually want to sing along when i heard them. so they werent groundbreaking but more rock than allot of more recent groups. nice to hear some solos and even some tapping! not bad players!
so there not going to be everybodys cup of tea but is there a band that evryone likes? i doubt it :D
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I liked them, it was nice to hear something actually being played
Showmanship, a decent stage show and toungues planted firmly in cheek.
Things are depressing enough in the world without the most of the performers who produce the following
Emo, dirge (they should get out more)
Nu metal, constant chug, sludge & rapping (enough said)
So called RnB / Urban desire to be a pimp, crack dealer or thug
Goth, poetic pretentions
European metal, who watched too many horror movies instead of going out and enjoying themselves
Cookie monster vocals
Lily Allen (the fact that she exists is enough to annoy me)
Apart from Lily Allen, there are some good bands & artists (whom I really enjoy) in each of the above catagories, but the majority of it is shite "Me Too" bands & artists who have simply jumped on the nearest bandwagon.
For those Francis Dunnery (remember him if not find some It Bites bootlegs) sums up some of what the public are fed by the music biz here http://www.francisdunnery.com/preview/media/articles.php#goldencastle
Music was never perfect up but until the mid 90s there was always something that was both entertaining and a little musical credibility.
No the Darkness didn't change things but they made me (and a lot of other people) smile and thats a good thing in these dark days.
Rob...
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Yep, had some good riffs and (although they weren't the only band doing it at the time) got a classic rock sound back on the airwaves and the dance floor. The Radio seemed to love them and therefore classic rock, which was good ... although someone did say to me once "You like AC/DC? are they that band like the darkness?"
wragh!
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I love the first album. Black Shuck and Love On The Rocks With No Ice are fantastic rock songs.
I think it's true that they were a sort of parody rock band, but I couldn't care less. It was tongue-in-cheek rather than a total pisstake. And I think they were "serious" about the music. It was great to see an old-fashioned British glam/hard rock actually selling some records and being recognised by the general public (OK, it was a flash-in-the-pan, but I'd rather see The Darkness on Top Of The Pops and in The Sun than some whining bore like James Blunt).
They said they were going to do an album a year like bands did in the 70s. When that didn't happen, I knew they'd blown it even before the second album came out. And then they gave in to all the clichés they initially made fun of - "difficult" second album (which was rubbish), "name" producer who messed up the sound, musical differences, line-up changes, substance abuse. Plus some eating disorders and hair loss, just for a change (at least the latter inspired the only good song on the album).
The less said about Justin's Eurovision challenge the better. :?
It was fun while it lasted.
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Lily Allen (the fact that she exists is enough to annoy me)
I think she's cute :oops:. If you switch off the music and ignore everything she says and does.
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Cookie monster vocals
i think there's more to death metal that you havent discovered/cannot see. either that or you heard some anal c*nt, and thought it was death metal, then hated the genre :lol:
but those vocals are the only vocals that go with the agression of the music.
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I don't know what any of you are talking about...............I do really. I thought them derivative and I don't condemn them for that but it was not my thing at all but they seemed to have fun whilst they did their thang.
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I think she's cute :oops:. If you switch off the music and ignore everything she says and does.
Her out of tune squeeking and banal muzak (nevermind her wonderful abilitys in interpersonal relationships and anger management) are so deeply annoying I don't think I could force myself !
Though then again if she offered some sort of financial incentive then I suppose I could compromise myself
Rob...
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I love the Darkness, including the second album. Good fun rock, great live show, catchy tunes. What music is all about to me - having a good time.
LIghten up, kick back and enjoy what they've done :D
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Last time i checked he sung so high in the studio that he couldn't ever replicate it live so he was shite live too.
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Last time i checked he sung so high in the studio that he couldn't ever replicate it live so he was shitee live too.
Saw them live and they where excellent, despite not hitting all the high notes.
Though TBH I don't go to see a live band to hear their albums replicated (not even Floyd).
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I like it a bit different, but part/most of the Darkness's appeal is the high singing of Justin and if he can't do that then what's the point?
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Personally I liked the Darkness, they may not have had the most original sound around but then neither did SRV. We all draw on our musical influences in some way, some of us more than others.
Supposedly Justin Hawkins had problems singing that high from the off (More fool him). But, had the record label not hung everything on him and dropped the band I think given half the chance and another singer the rest could have made a go of it this early in their career.
All that aside, I hear the rest of the band are trying to carry on without their lable and without Justin, more power to them for trying I say, hopefully without a prancing premadonna at the reigns they'll do better in the future.
What really scares me is that Justin is trying to represent the UK in Eurovision (I'll admit I thought this was an april fool), if he does, and sells out for laughs I fear it'll be the final nail in the Darkness' coffin
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I really enjoyed the first album and the presence of ANY riffs / solo driven rock music on the radio.
The thing that just pushed me over the edge of my patience was the second album lyrics.
"Dinner Lady Arms" is in my opinion good enough to have been on Def Leppard's Hysteria - A f'in great ballad - but why go and pi$$ all over Dan Hawkins music by writing lyrics like Dinner Lady Arms?
Justin was short-changing the fans, his fellow band members and I think himself.
THEN...
Instead of working through his "supposed" demons he leaves the band high and dry.
Not content with that, just as the others are attempting to form and launch a new project, Justin jumps right back into the media spotlight with a pathetic stab at Eurovision!
I would have put him in hospital if he had been my brother.
I thought that the cards were stacked against the band when I first read that their manager was Justin's long term partner.
What a sad asshole for having the opportunity we all would crawl over broken glass for and F*cking it up for everyone.
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The thing that just pushed me over the edge of my patience was the second album lyrics.
"Dinner Lady Arms" is in my opinion good enough to have been on Def Leppard's Hysteria - A f'in great ballad - but why go and pi$$ all over Dan Hawkins music by writing lyrics like Dinner Lady Arms?
I agree, but the one I really hate is "English Country Garden":
She said have you got a match? and I said yes!
My c--k and Farmer Giles prizewinning marrow
Very bloody funny - if you're about 12 years old. It makes me cringe every time I hear it. :x :evil:
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That reminds me...
I've been challenged by this (by non-musicians, of course) - about me HATING Wolfmother.
They are really just a clone of Zep and Black Sabbath minus the originality and talent, plus the fact that they smash their instruments, which is just not good, I mean, I don't like it when good musicicans smash their instruments, but when they suck, It just really pisses me off.
PS - and when the bassist plays keyboard, MY GOD is that atrocious. Then he goes and smashes the thing :x .
PPS - and the singer sounds like a sheep live.
PPPS - AND they come from MY country...
Whew, glad that's off my chest :)
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Wolfmother = Just bad.
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i have to admit i haven't really tried to get into them, but what i have heard sucks. I hate all this guff about "the new ac/dc/led zep", etc., most of the time it's hype. and ac/dc were/are actually good, which makes them not too similar.
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Dave spot on there. Half the time even the bands themselves don't count themselves in the same stratosphere as the bands that the record company seems to be putting them up against, but still the record company does it anyway. I personally like the darkness & wolfmother, but I don't think there anywhere nears as good as their predecessors, but I enjoy them all the same & at the end of the day, isn't that what it's all about?
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^ yeah. i liked the darkness, though. not as good as the 80's bands or queen (by a longshot), but closer than guys like wolfmother or jet were to the 70's guys, in my opinion.
:drink:
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I personally like the darkness & wolfmother, but I don't think there anywhere nears as good as their predecessors, but I enjoy them all the same & at the end of the day, isn't that what it's all about?
I'm with you matey :D
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is it just me or does this justin hawkins try to show off his voice way too much? i think he has a great voice, but tries to squeal his head off way too much. If he just sang normally and hit the high notes WHEN NECESSARY...
other than that, i think they're a very good band. I appreaciate them more for the guitar playing. as for the second album, listen to bald if you get a chance. very good song in my opinion.
and as for wolfmother, although i don't think they're all that great, i appreciate a band trying to bring back some good music. nowadays all i hear on the radio is a bunch of power chordy cr@p that all sounds EXACTLY the same. they're like a mix of sabbath and kravitz.
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I think Justins ego must have taken over, but then again without that ego, they probably would never have gotten the recording contract in the 1st place.
I quite like Wolfmother (cept for the singing), theres nothing wrong with some music thats a bit primal, meakes me feel good and lowers my IQ less than 80 for a while (though it dosn't have that far to go I suppose)
Just don't take it seriously
Rob...