Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: Bro on April 08, 2007, 12:47:57 AM
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Hi! I'm new to the forums, and I want to buy a BKP. The guitar I'm gonna put them in is a Jackson Kelly, maple neck through, ebony fretboard, and alder body. I want something with a tight low end, and articulate top. I also want it to sound pretty warm, but not too dark. I also need a pretty good midrange, and lots of output.
I've looked through all the humbucker descriptions, and I'm not really sure what's right for me. Any suggestions?
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hmm, alder/maple/ebony... I'd go for a Holy Diver.
:twisted:
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hmm, alder/maple/ebony... I'd go for a Holy Diver.
:twisted:
How do those sound?
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hmm, alder/maple/ebony... I'd go for a Holy Diver.
:twisted:
How do those sound?
I want something with a tight low end, and articulate top. I also want it to sound pretty warm, but not too dark. I also need a pretty good midrange, and lots of output.
exactly like you described
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your sound description could probably be covered fairly well by more than one bkp humbucker, but the one it brought to my mind straight off was the Nailbomb. different people will suggest different pickups, but that's kind of the problem, most of us have only used one or two of the pickups and are biased towards them.
the best brains to pick are those of Tim himself, followed by Phil King and Twilight Odyssey, they seem to have the most wide ranging experience of the pickups, and have a pretty good idea of what they're talking about.
if you do decide to buy one, i'm pretty confident you won't be disappointed, they all sound different, but so far the ones i've tried have alll sounded good!
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I wouldn't say nailbomb, they might sound overly bright in an alder/maple/ebony guitar...
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I'm not sure about the nailbomb, they might sound overly bright in an alder/maple/ebony guitar...
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you could be right , just for a warmer sound, i think it's the most powerful alnico pickup below the warpig. ceramics tend to have an edgier sound. course, i'm drunk right now, so pay me no mind child!
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the mule could be a consideration i guess. its exactly what you're describing except the high output, but it can handle all the gain you need.
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your sound description could probably be covered fairly well by more than one bkp humbucker, but the one it brought to my mind straight off was the Nailbomb. different people will suggest different pickups, but that's kind of the problem, most of us have only used one or two of the pickups and are biased towards them.
the best brains to pick are those of Tim himself, followed by Phil King and Twilight Odyssey, they seem to have the most wide ranging experience of the pickups, and have a pretty good idea of what they're talking about.
if you do decide to buy one, i'm pretty confident you won't be disappointed, they all sound different, but so far the ones i've tried have alll sounded good!
That makes sense. But I'm confident that whatever I buy will sound great. I'm just asking about personal opinions about the voicing of the pickups.
I'm not sure about the nailbomb, they might sound overly bright in an alder/maple/ebony guitar...
Yeah, I definately don't want the sound to be too harsh. Of course I want some bite but not too much. I also want a good amount of mids and bass, I don't really go for a drastically scooped sound.
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Holy Diver
I have it in several guitars, but the one that sounds best of all is my Jackson RR1T - which is maple/alder neck-thru. Here is the OMFG (http://www.bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6308) :!: post I wrote after I installed them... :)
Search the Players forum for Holy Diver, most of the HD clips I posted were recorded with this guitar.
FWIW I also got a HD in an old Charvel that is also maple/alder neck-thru but with a Floyd - that sounds fantastic too :twisted:
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I'd get a Holy Diver but I'd check out the Painkiller as well. It has a very tight and heavy sound with a lot of power in the mids.
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Holy Diver!
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hmm, alder/maple/ebony... I'd go for a Holy Diver.
:twisted:
How do those sound?
I want something with a tight low end, and articulate top. I also want it to sound pretty warm, but not too dark. I also need a pretty good midrange, and lots of output.
exactly like you described
Hahahahahahaha :lol:
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definately a HD (and that doesnt stand for hi-def)
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Thanks guys! :D But witch one is warmer, the HD or the Painkiller?
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Thanks guys! :D But witch one is warmer, the HD or the Painkiller?
definitely HD
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Alright thanks! I'll check it out.
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Thanks guys! :D But witch one is warmer, the HD or the Painkiller?
definitely HD
+1
HD by a mile
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OK, It's kinda hard to find a HD in the US. I'll keep looking but how do you guys think Miracle Mans or Rebel Yells would sound in an Alder/Maple/Ebony guitar?
Thanks
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OK, It's kinda hard to find a HD in the US. I'll keep looking but how do you guys think Miracle Mans or Rebel Yells would sound in an Alder/Maple/Ebony guitar?
Thanks
miracle man = more tightness, less mids, more treble spike
rebel yell = less bass, more upper mids, brighter tone
holy diver will sound fatter cause it's more balanced
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OK, It's kinda hard to find a HD in the US.
don't even bother. i was at one point also looking for BKP's in the US. Just buy straight from this site. they end up being about the same price and you can make sure you're getting exactly what you want.
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yeah nasty has it right, just order them from the site, its way easier to get exactly what you want without having to compromise tone and aesthetics.
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DOH!! I forgot a couple important things, I tune down to D standard; will the HD mush out because of the low tuning? And I play alot of stuff inspired by Death Metal, will the HD have enough high end cut to get a real edgy sound?
Thanks for dealing with all my questions :lol:
BTW Thanks guys, I'll order directly from here.
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two words...Rebel Yell
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DOH!! I forgot a couple important things, I tune down to D standard; will the HD mush out because of the low tuning? And I play alot of stuff inspired by Death Metal, will the HD have enough high end cut to get a real edgy sound?
Thanks for dealing with all my questions :lol:
BTW Thanks guys, I'll order directly from here.
Hell yes, HD will be fine doing that, it's a very versatile metal pickup, it can do anything from heavy rock to blazing death metal, i have a set in my Ibanez and it rules.
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Unless you do a lot of shredding and blast-picking, the Holy Diver will be fine. The Painkiller is tighter and has a better edge, but the HD is warmer and more organic.
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Unless you do a lot of shredding and blast-picking, the Holy Diver will be fine. The Painkiller is tighter and has a better edge, but the HD is warmer and more organic.
Maybe I should consider the Painkiller then. And maybe a warmer neck pickup.
two words...Rebel Yell
I've heard alot of good things about that pickup, but I like a very chunky, heavy rythem sound. How hot is it?
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Unless you do a lot of shredding and blast-picking, the Holy Diver will be fine. The Painkiller is tighter and has a better edge, but the HD is warmer and more organic.
Ahahahah Awesome Slang "Blast-Picking"
Q:P
ahAHAHahahahahahahahahah
i can´t recomend a pickup for you Sir, YET.. i´m yet to order more bkps, and then i´ll do it, but i think it will be too late for yah.
So, go with the Flow and the a HD. the guys must be Right .
Hails
JP
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Unless you do a lot of shredding and blast-picking, the Holy Diver will be fine. The Painkiller is tighter and has a better edge, but the HD is warmer and more organic.
Ahahahah Awesome Slang "Blast-Picking"
Q:P
ahAHAHahahahahahahahahah
i can´t recomend a pickup for you Sir, YET.. i´m yet to order more bkps, and then i´ll do it, but i think it will be too late for yah.
So, go with the Flow and the a HD. the guys must be Right .
Hails
JP
agreed.
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I was seriously tempted by the Holy Diver but eventually went Cold Sweats due to the mahogany body in mine. In your guitar I'd have no hesitation in going with the HD.
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Just to avoid any confusion - there are two "Holy Divers" - the old spec and the new spec. New spec is about 16.2k Alnico5, but old spec I think is something like 13k Ceramic, which I'm pretty sure is what CrazyJoe has (isn't it?).
Just so we know we're talking about the same pickup :)
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^ AFAIK, it might not even be the Holy Diver that had its spec changed, I can't quite remember... can anyone confirm?
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Yes, you're right on the change to alnico from ceramic although I can't confirm the DC rating.
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IIRC the ceramic Holy Diver was about 13K indeed, similar to the Super Distortion.
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Thanks for all the help guys. So I'm pretty set on the Holy Diver, but I think I'll get two different pickups, just to cover more range than a calibrated set.
I want a real punchy, tight, articulate sound from the other pickup, and lots of output. Thanks in advance. :D
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I see your point about mixing up the pups but I wouldn't dismiss a calibrated set too quickly as they will still sound different. I had always assumed that the neck pup was just the same as the bridge but a little down on power due to its position but having now received my set of CS pups I've discovered that while the bridge is ceramic, the neck version is A5. This alone should offer different tonal qualities I would think.
Taking them to be fitted tomorrow: can't wait :D
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I see your point about mixing up the pups but I wouldn't dismiss a calibrated set too quickly as they will still sound different. I had always assumed that the neck pup was just the same as the bridge but a little down on power due to its position but having now received my set of CS pups I've discovered that while the bridge is ceramic, the neck version is A5. This alone should offer different tonal qualities I would think.
Taking them to be fitted tomorrow: can't wait :D
Cool man, congrats. I guess the ceramic and Alnico5 magnet should cause a pretty noticable difference. But I'm looking for very different tones, like one pickup that's really warm, and fat(HD), and another that is tight and punchy. I was thinking Painkiller, NB, or MM.
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You could spend the rest of your life pondering this as all of the BKP products are so good. I'd suggest that you simply do what I eventually did; e-mail Tim with the details of your guitar and set up, along with a detailed description of what you're after and then simply buy whatever he suggests - don't question it; just buy it. Once I decided to do that, life became far simpler :wink:
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You could spend the rest of your life pondering this as all of the BKP products are so good. I'd suggest that you simply do what I eventually did; e-mail Tim with the details of your guitar and set up, along with a detailed description of what you're after and then simply buy whatever he suggests - don't question it; just buy it. Once I decided to do that, life became far simpler :wink:
Wise words. I di this too. I have an idea what sound I want and in what guitar, I tell Tim, he hooks me up. Works every time 8)
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Good advice, I'll shut up and order some damn pickups already. :lol:
I"m sure all BKPs sound awesome in any guitar.