Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: Tyrian on April 20, 2007, 08:41:41 PM
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Hi
I just purchased a new guitar today (Jay Turser JT230).
It is quite bright sounding.
I want to get some bkp's for it, considering the Nailbomb to even out the sound.
I believe the body is either alder or basswood with a Maple neck/fretboard. Set neck.
The sort of music I play is
Death Metal
(All Shall Perish, Miseration)
Thrash
(Testament, Onslaught, Slayer, One Man Army And The Undead Quartet, Kreator) Metallica, Megadeth, Novembers Doom, Agalloch.
Any advice would be much appreciated thank you
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Your music choice is frightening :) Sorry,i do'nt know much about Death Metal...
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Your music choice is frightening :) Sorry,i do'nt know much about Death Metal...
yeah but theres
metallica megadeth etc in there, makes it less frightening, no?
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Agalloch and Novembers Doom! awesome
anyways, of all the stuff I've learned from this forum, I think Nailbombs or Miracle Men would suit you
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I've tried both and i can tell you that i think your looking for a Nailbomb.
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For yer death the ceramic pig is a one-stop-shop. Its got all shall perish all over it.
For yer thrash its miracle man.
Both can do both, given the right amp and settings. Though I think you'll struggle to get such a brutal sound as on price of existance out of an MM, but it'll fall right out of a C-Pig. Likewise the pig would need some taming to to the smoother, less in-your-face thrash sounds, like rust in peace or legacy but an MM wont have any trouble (even a much less powerfull pickup would do fine there).
A nailbomb may give you the guts and edge you want, but also be tame-able. But I cant comment because I've never played one.
So whats youre priority?
Can you describe the sound you want without bands: compare it to pickups that are well known for metal (jb, 81, x2n, invader what have you)?
How much gain?
How compressed?
What kind of equing?
Ultra-heavy?
Lots of harmonics?
etc.
What, tonally, do you want from it?
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For yer death the ceramic pig is a one-stop-shop. Its got all shall perish all over it.
For yer thrash its miracle man.
Both can do both, given the right amp and settings. Though I think you'll struggle to get such a brutal sound as on price of existance out of an MM, but it'll fall right out of a C-Pig. Likewise the pig would need some taming to to the smoother, less in-your-face thrash sounds, like rust in peace or legacy but an MM wont have any trouble (even a much less powerfull pickup would do fine there).
A nailbomb may give you the guts and edge you want, but also be tame-able. But I cant comment because I've never played one.
So whats youre priority?
Can you describe the sound you want without bands: compare it to pickups that are well known for metal (jb, 81, x2n, invader what have you)?
How much gain?
How compressed?
What kind of equing?
Ultra-heavy?
Lots of harmonics?
etc.
What, tonally, do you want from it?
Basically, I want a tight, focused sound. High gain, but not ripping my balls out through my mouth. Has to clean up reasonable while sounding natural.
That any help?
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Loads
Miracle man.
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For yer death the ceramic pig is a one-stop-shop. Its got all shall perish all over it.
For yer thrash its miracle man.
Both can do both, given the right amp and settings. Though I think you'll struggle to get such a brutal sound as on price of existance out of an MM, but it'll fall right out of a C-Pig. Likewise the pig would need some taming to to the smoother, less in-your-face thrash sounds, like rust in peace or legacy but an MM wont have any trouble (even a much less powerfull pickup would do fine there).
A nailbomb may give you the guts and edge you want, but also be tame-able. But I cant comment because I've never played one.
So whats youre priority?
Can you describe the sound you want without bands: compare it to pickups that are well known for metal (jb, 81, x2n, invader what have you)?
How much gain?
How compressed?
What kind of equing?
Ultra-heavy?
Lots of harmonics?
etc.
What, tonally, do you want from it?
Basically, I want a tight, focused sound. High gain, but not ripping my balls out through my mouth. Has to clean up reasonable while sounding natural.
That any help?
It's called a Miracle Man :p
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It's called a Miracle Man :p
Or a Warpig.
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Just thought that i would add this in, i have played this guitar and it is really bright sounding.
I may be wrong here but wouldn't ceramic pickups just make the guitar brighter????
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There are ways to tame a bright guitar. What you want to do is get a tone that will get you 90% of the way, and then tweak. Just adding a new pickup, no matter what it is (sorry, Tim ;) ) may not get you 100% to audio nirvana.
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There are ways to tame a bright guitar. What you want to do is get a tone that will get you 90% of the way, and then tweak. Just adding a new pickup, no matter what it is (sorry, Tim ;) ) may not get you 100% to audio nirvana.
True - But I don't think he wants Nirvana's tone.
Couldn't resist :oops:
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The miracle man is pretty bright, though, and extra fixes are extra hassle. Its hard to say without knowing whats in there. It may also be that, with the MM being bassy, too, it ballances.
Anyway
Painkiller...?
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Maybe a plain old alnico Warpig with a parallel switch for the cleans.
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The miracle man is pretty bright, though, and extra fixes are extra hassle. Its hard to say without knowing whats in there. It may also be that, with the MM being bassy, too, it ballances.
Anyway
Painkiller...?
i took the pickups out for him earlier and they are nbranded no names the bridge does sound really hot for a cheapo pup and has a ceramic type edge to it but cleans up far too well and is far too natural sounding to be ceramic.
I know that this guy likes a big chunk of bass in his tone so i would say warpig personally.
I have no idea on how the painkiller sounds at all so i can not comment on that one.
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From a lot of what hes said, I'd say C-Pig, or the warpig would do it, but less tightly. Not that its not tight.
But I think it might rip his balls through is mouth *shrugs*
PK has some great bass on it, apparently.
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From a lot of what hes said, I'd say C-Pig, or the warpig would do it, but less tightly. Not that its not tight.
But I think it might rip his balls through is mouth *shrugs*
PK has some great bass on it, apparently.
hmm ill make him listen through some more clips
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Am actually considering a C-pig atm. I want something clean up, but to be honest, there's 2 pickups, so it ain't much hassle flicking a switch.
But like Tony said, I'll just listen to some more clips and try and find what's best
I'd also like to thank everyone for their help so far.
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Maybe a plain old alnico Warpig with a parallel switch for the cleans.
I'm probably gonna sound like an idiot here. But I've not heard of a parallel switch before. But something that comes to mind that it might be, is coil-tapping. Am I right?
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Maybe go with a pickup that has more mids to tame the brightness, maybe Holy Diver, I've also heard that warpigs have a good midrange too.
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I'm probably gonna sound like an idiot here. But I've not heard of a parallel switch before. But something that comes to mind that it might be, is coil-tapping. Am I right?
People often get the two confused.
Coil tapping is just what it sounds like: There is a tap placed somewhere in the coil itself which enables you to use either the entire wind of the pickup or just a portion of the winds. Using a coil tap cleans up the sound and lowers the output of the pickup.
Parallel wiring of a pickup lowers the overall output of the pickup, but still uses the full wind. It is often used on a mini switch on your guitar. When you switch between series wiring and parallel you can hear that series has more snarl and bite, higher output, and more bass. Parallel is smoother sounding and has slightly lower output.
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And just to confuse things further, people very often say coil tapping when they mean coil splitting.
Coil splitting is switching off one coil of a humbucker to give a single-coil tone. This again lowers the output of the pickup and gives a thinner, brighter tone which resembles a Fender-style single-coil but is often rather weedy and unsatisfactory due to the humbucker's different magnetic structure.
Coil-split switches are very common on production guitars, series/parallel or coil-tap switches are much rarer. Personally I like series/parallel because it's a different, useable humbucker sound rather than a poor "imitation" of a single-coil. And it works particularly well with high-output humbuckers.
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And just to confuse things further, people very often say coil tapping when they mean coil splitting.
Coil splitting is switching off one coil of a humbucker to give a single-coil tone. This again lowers the output of the pickup and gives a thinner, brighter tone which resembles a Fender-style single-coil but is often rather weedy and unsatisfactory due to the humbucker's different magnetic structure.
... and the coil's position, I would add.
Personally I like series/parallel because it's a different, useable humbucker sound rather than a poor "imitation" of a single-coil. And it works particularly well with high-output humbuckers.
Agreed!
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Parallel wiring of a pickup lowers the overall output of the pickup, but still uses the full wind. It is often used on a mini switch on your guitar. When you switch between series wiring and parallel you can hear that parallel has more snarl and bite, higher output, and more bass. Parallel is smoother sounding and has slightly lower output.
Not to sound snotty or anything TO but did you mean that SERIES has more snarl bite and output instead of parallel.
I agree that parallel wiring is cool and not used enough in guitars.
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I shouldn't have asked lol.
I understand now, but I'm sorry for causing arguements.
Reason I shouldn't have asked is that now I have FAR too many options available to me lol.
I'm sure I'll work something out.
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If youre willing to wire the bridge with a series/parralel switch of some sort then you can get great cleans out of either pig.
I still think that it might rip your balls through your mouth (in series, at least), since its one of the most powerfull pickups in the world. But its a far more musical sound than most high power pickups. You might like it. I dunno.
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Not to sound snotty or anything TO but did you mean that SERIES has more snarl bite and output instead of parallel.
I agree that parallel wiring is cool and not used enough in guitars.
You are quite right! Temporary brain twist. Original post fixed, and my thanx!
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I shouldn't have asked lol.
I understand now, but I'm sorry for causing arguements.
I don't see anyone arguing here! Just a brisk convo about pickup wiring from where I see it. :)
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I shouldn't have asked lol.
I understand now, but I'm sorry for causing arguements.
I don't see anyone arguing here! Just a brisk convo about pickup wiring from where I see it. :)
I well, my brain was on fire, and I'm a blonde (That excuse works for women so I'ma try for that equallity shite lol)
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But like Tony said, I'll just listen to some more clips and try and find what's best
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Nooooooooooooooo you fool you told them my name, they all have power over me now :x
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But like Tony said, I'll just listen to some more clips and try and find what's best
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Nooooooooooooooo you fool you told them my name, they all have power over me now :x
Proove that was me.
I swear, I never done it. I just told em I done it so they'd take my willy out of the bacon slicer...