Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Crazy_Joe on April 23, 2007, 10:45:49 PM
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Laney GH50L at the moment = Booooorinnnnngg.
The sound is so plain and neutral and it is just annoying me, i get so bored of playing on it and tweaking it all the time to try and find a good tone for me.
It might be the Marshall cab with shitety celestions but i'm pretty sure it's the Laney.
I'm not buying an amp right now we are in the early stages, but if i find something good i will be willing to sell the Laney, maybe even the cab if i want a killer combo. I know i won't get much money for that but i have other plans to get myself some money so no need to worry about that.
Anyways here is AMP SEARCH 2
I want an amp that is bagged with tone, not plain sounding like the Laney i want something that people will listen to and be blown away with.
I have been looking at rectifiers recently like Mesa's and Peavey XXX. They sound awesome and apparently are good for blues aswel as metal.
Has to be versatile and needs a clean channel and a dirty channel as the 1 channel Laney thing does not work for me. I want to play from blues to metal and have a good rock sound too.
I looked at Orange amps too, bit expensive but could be good, though i listened to a clip of the Tiny Terror and it sounded like my Laney!
There's so many options like Engl, Peavey, Marshall (yes the Laney does sound a lot different to these imo), Orange, Mesa etc.
Help me out here, tone is the key!!!
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vox valvetronix. it'd be so much easier than changing your gear weekly... you could just twist a knob and have a different sound. maybe you could get a tonelab and plug into the power amp stage of the laney?
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ENGL!
The screamer is in the same range as the GH50 and I prefer it to be frank.
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vox valvetronix. it'd be so much easier than changing your gear weekly... you could just twist a knob and have a different sound. maybe you could get a tonelab and plug into the power amp stage of the laney?
I was looking at a Mesa V-Twin Preamp pedal, would that be a good option rather than changing amps?
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Surprised you're bored of your Laney Joe. But I understand the neutral thing its very natural but that's why I like mine. Also agree it doesn't sound like a marshall as some say, the Laney is much smoother and has none of the mid spike and the grit.
Just found this on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MARSHALL-100W-VALVE-HEAD-1980s-UNBELIEVABLE-SOUND_W0QQitemZ300104772238QQihZ020QQcategoryZ10171QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
I think it's a bargain! Those things are sweet they sound like a smoother JCM800. I had a 50W one and it was beautiful. Too far away for me to buy though.
EDIT: sorry I missed the part when you said youre not yet ready to buy. Keep your Laney I bet you will miss it if you sell.
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vox valvetronix. it'd be so much easier than changing your gear weekly... you could just twist a knob and have a different sound. maybe you could get a tonelab and plug into the power amp stage of the laney?
I was looking at a Mesa V-Twin Preamp pedal, would that be a good option rather than changing amps?
I'm playing mine right now. i funking LOVE it. not so versatile as a valvetronix obviously; but it is a damn good sound. For out and out metal you'll need a tubescreamer in front of it (to tighten it up and give it a solid state clipping stage which i think is needed for a real mean sound). Give it some time and i bet you'll love your laney again - i definately wouldn't get rid of it.
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I have a Monte Allumes modded SD-1 so that won't be a problem.
You had any experience with this valvetronix? It's not one of those huge pedal thingys is it? cuz i suck with those.
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look up the 'tonelab', 'tonelab LE', and 'tonelab SE' on the vox website. When i said valvetronix these are what i meant...
The desktop version ("tonelab") might be what you're looking for?
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i'm concerned about what you're going to do to get the money... certain things are, er, against the law.
:lol:
that being said:
engl.
a recto sounds like cr@p for blues, IMO. engl is vastly superior, for half the price.
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I never actually knew what an Engl sounds like, i always assumed they were extreme metal amps but they seem to be quite versatile. Might have to look into a Screamer head.
I'm not really into the whole amp modeling thing though, i like my sound to be from the amp with as little pedals/other stuff as possible added.
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screamer would be worth a look, also blackmore. those'd be the two main ones I'd look at, unless you come into a lot more cash.
of course, there are loads of other amps worth looking at too... how much can you get up to, realistically?
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Steve Morse is proof that the Engl isn't just a metal amp. Always thought his tone was a bit thin, but that could be a tweaking issue.
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Joe - What speakers are you using?????
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I don't know about the cash, obviously if there is something i really like i will save for it so it's not really a problem.
And Twinfan speakers are those stock marshall celestions, i have always wanted to change them to v30's though.
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A used Powerball, f*****ck yes :D
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The Screamer looks like a great choice for me i think, small 50 watt head, versatile with separate channels and fairly cheap :D
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if you play a lot of metal but need versatility on the side, i'd go blackmore to be honest.
if you just need versatility full stop, then it'd be closer between the screamer and blackmore. of course, personal preference and all. i know mdv uses a screamer and he's a metalhead.
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How much more is the Blackmore?
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about £800/900. If you want clips of all the ENGL heads go here
www.rocksolidamps.com
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^ haha, just to clarify, he means it's around £800, not £800 more than the fireball, lol. EDIT: also, the blackmore has a bit of a marshall vibe in it.
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Engl's sound awesome though i can't choose, i think the Screamer will be versatile and a great amp but it sounds like the Blackmore will have more gain, i only say this because i would rather not use a booster pedal and keep my pedalboard to the minimum size.
Though there was a nice Megadeth clip of the Screamer.
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Engl's sound awesome though i can't choose, i think the Screamer will be versatile and a great amp but it sounds like the Blackmore will have more gain, i only say this because i would rather not use a booster pedal and keep my pedalboard to the minimum size.
Though there was a nice Megadeth clip of the Screamer.
I'd say the Screamer was more versatile - but still has plenty of gain.
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Saying that the Blackmore clips really $%&# over the Screamer ones so if i were to get one it would be the Blackmore.
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^ ^ i dunno which is more versatile to be honest... the screamer has nicer cleans (IMO), and is probably a little fenderier all round... the blackmore is more marshally.
really depends what you want to play, but for me it's blackmore no contest. the BM would do megadeth better, too.
EDIT: you really don't want to be judging on clips. you're in hertfordshire, surely machinehead isn't too far away?
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Yeah it is in my town :lol: But they only have the Screamer combo. I would really want to try the Blackmore before i bought anything though because it sounds awesome for what i want to use it for.
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Custom Audio amps are very very nice, very very nice is very very expensive. To upgrade to maximum tone you need to spend a lot to gain a lot of quality. I hate it but its true.
I'd try a Vox AC15 the new CC one! or an Orange, I always thought Orange sounded a lot better than Laneys to my ears.
It's still all about how you play too! lol
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I'd try a Vox AC15 the new CC one! or an Orange, I always thought Orange sounded a lot better than Laneys to my ears.
It's still all about how you play too! lol
Heh I'm different in that respect. I found the Orange I tried (Rocker 30) to be too tame. If Joe finds his Laney boring I doubt he'd be happy with an Orange. Just my opinion. I agree on the ENGL recommendations.
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Yeah the Orange clips i heard sounded pretty similar to my Laney so i doubt i will be getting one of those.
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Yeah it is in my town :lol: But they only have the Screamer combo. I would really want to try the Blackmore before i bought anything though because it sounds awesome for what i want to use it for.
you sure? they have a big amp room (or two) downstairs...
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I can't stand machinehead, they are tw@ts in there anyone still in education or young is not allowed to play the expensive stuff.
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^ well that's just uncalled for... I thought I could still pass for a kid. :lol: EDIT: seriously, though, wave a wad of cash and that should change.
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I wouldn't buy it from there anyways. First of all it's a combo and i want a head as it's cheaper and i have a cab already. Also Machinehead doesn't like to discount much so all their stuff can be found cheaper elsewhere.
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you can try it there, though. :lol:
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:lol: yeah but knowing them they probably wouldn't let me leave without buying something haha!
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I think i'll probably stick with my Laney for a bit longer and mess around with some settings to see what i can get.
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engl +10
Screamer is very versatile, will do any style and do it well :)
Sometimes though these big amps NEED to be cranked, maybe you could get an attenuator like a weber mass or hotplate, then you can crank the laney?
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Yeah i played around with the settings and there's a lot of versatility in this Laney and some nice tones coming out, i think i just need to experiment a bit with it and as you said crank it up a bit more because that's when most Laney's start to get awesome tones.
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How about switching the tubes on your Laney to 6L6GCs to give it a new sound? maliciousteve did it on his VH100R and I think he said it's better for heavier stuff. For about £30 it's worth trying imo.
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OR you could send the laney this way! :D
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Yeah changing the tubes is a good idea, but i have a feeling i would $%&# it up :lol:
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How about switching the tubes on your Laney to 6L6GCs to give it a new sound? maliciousteve did it on his VH100R and I think he said it's better for heavier stuff. For about £30 it's worth trying imo.
I certainly did. a set of Harma 6L6's. The lower mids are more present in the sound and the higher mids are dropped a little (more of a mesa type of sound but the voicing remains). The low end is tighter, a bit clearer too and the cleans sound much fuller with more body.
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How about switching the tubes on your Laney to 6L6GCs to give it a new sound? maliciousteve did it on his VH100R and I think he said it's better for heavier stuff. For about £30 it's worth trying imo.
I certainly did. a set of Harma 6L6's. The lower mids are more present in the sound and the higher mids are dropped a little (more of a mesa type of sound but the voicing remains). The low end is tighter, a bit clearer too and the cleans sound much fuller with more body.
That sounds good and all, but i still see in your pic that you bought an Engl :lol:
Jokes aside i actually do want to do it, how hard is it to do?
In a dream world i would imagine it being take out the old ones put in the new ones and flick to the switch on the back which says 6L6? haha
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That is actually what you do Joe :lol: it's really that simple on Laneys. Just make sure you buy a set of matched valves and that you put the bias switch in the correct position before you turn it on.
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Haha awesome, what tubes should i get, and where are they cheapest?
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Well I always get mine from www.watfordvalves.com and I got the Harma 6L6's which work nicely. But you could go for Groove Tubes or something.
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Some guy on the Laney Forum said you still have to bias it properly and it is not as simple as you say it is. He write a massive faq about biasing amps and stuff.