Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: noodleplugerine on April 23, 2007, 11:25:29 PM
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I just realised that I have about £400 to spend on something - And since my birthday's on Thursday I'm going to treat myself!
As I'm getting a new amp if I get good GCSE results from my parents (Hello there ENGL Screamer :>) I'm wondering if anyone can suggest a guitar for £400 with a locking trem.
1. It needs a locking trem, not neccesarily an OFR considering the price range, but something usable.
2. It needs to have a fast and thing neck for pure shreddery!
3. It needs to have decent high fret access - not neccesarily as good as on my ESP, but I don't want a block from the 16th fret onwards...
4. Must be double cutaway and if it's a superstrat - I'd prefer it pointy.
5. Has to be H-H or H-S (Preferably H-H).
6. Gotta be 24 fret - And preferably Ebony board - but in this price range it's not realistic...
7. Other than that it's gotta look good or look metal - And not be a Razorback (I consider it off limits due to it being Dimebag's).
Tone doesn't have to be magnificent due to me having my Viper for all serious stuff and since all the venues I'm likely to play in sound like mush anyway.
This guitar will hopefully become my Widdling guitar for mindless shred :p
PS: I would rather new guitars simply because it means I can try them out easier and because it's not easy to pick a guitar and find it 2nd hand - Much easier to see what's 2nd hand and pick from that.
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i have an ibanez s520ex which is pretty much what you described, just under £400 i think
doesn't have 24 frets though, only 22
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my friend is selling a LTD V350 that hes selling
has licensed floyd 24 frets Dimarzio XN2 or X2N in bridge (not sure hwat its called lol)
and stock emg HZ H4A in neck
he wants £400 including hard case
oh yeah its black.
(http://www.guitarsatbmusic.com.au/esp/readersrigs/images/ben_v_350/v_350_1.jpg)
(http://www.guitarsatbmusic.com.au/esp/readersrigs/images/ben_v_350/v_350_2.jpg)
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Don't think I'd be prepared to spend that much on a second hand LTD - It's the same price I got my Viper for...
i have an ibanez s520ex which is pretty much what you described, just under £400 i think
doesn't have 24 frets though, only 22
Taking a look at it and I'm super impressed!
It's a shame it's only 22 frets - But I'm still taking a very earnest interest in it - LOVE the look of the fretboard - with that sole inlay.
Very nice - How does it play?
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ibanez rg1570 and get used to the middle single coil (and round up another £50).
or washburn x40pro.
i'd prefer the ibanez, though some of that is doubtless personal opinion.
i guess some of the jackson pros are worth a look too... though in my opinion, the ibby is higher quality. but not everyone gets along with basswood.
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Ibanez RG1570 is a very wise choice.
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Just looking at these:
http://www.thomann.de/gb/jackson_dk2m_dinky_cs.htm - Maple Neck <3
http://www.thomann.de/gb/dean_guitars_vendetta_4floyd_rose.htm - GORGEOUS!!!
Have to play both of them sometime!
Definetly into the Dean at the moment - So gunna go around over the weekend looking for Deans/Jacksons and Ibanez - Specifically for those.
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you wanna be careful with too cheap floyds... they can suck. the jackson one, far as I know, is a direct swap for an OFR (though I may be wrong). but the ibanez (and washburn) one should be grand as is.
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Ibanez S series is a VERY $%&#ing good choice. If you like 24 frets because of accessability, jsut learn to bend 22 to 24 =P. If you like it because it cuts mud out of the neck pickup, well im sorry, you're screwed... the only thing i find that counters that is a trebly pickup.
Is there anyway you could pickup a used Ibanez JEM? Those things SLAY. Honestly, playing them feels like cheating its so easy.
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Ibanez S series is a VERY #$%!& good choice. If you like 24 frets because of accessability, jsut learn to bend 22 to 24 =P. If you like it because it cuts mud out of the neck pickup, well im sorry, you're screwed... the only thing i find that counters that is a trebly pickup.
Is there anyway you could pickup a used Ibanez JEM? Those things SLAY. Honestly, playing them feels like cheating its so easy.
And if I want to bend 24 to 27? :p
Playing a 22 fret guitar isn't a horror for me, it's just I'd rather a 24.
That being said the Ibanez is deffinetly on the short list.
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Vendetta 4 with floyd is what i was looking at once, looks very nice.
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I really like the Ibanez S series, absolutely gorgeous guitars and... in my opinion... much better than the typical R shape.
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my ibanez s series easily outplays anything i've ever come across
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my ibanez s series easily outplays anything i've ever come across
Does that have the ZR tremolo? If so, how do you find it? When I manage to sell my SG I plan on buying an S-series Ibanez and want to ensure it's going to be up for plenty of trem abuse. I want it diving like a little Indonesian boy and still coming back for more! 8)
I always see/hear people ragging on the cheaper stock Ibanez trems and raising the Edge/Edge Pro to some unattainable level of awesomeness...
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ZR trem > Any other trem
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i'm pretty sure i've posted a pretty decent review of my thoughts on the ZR tremolo on here a few times. try searching it. if yu can't find or can't be bothered; just know that it gets two thumbs up from me :P
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LAG guitars?
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LAG guitars?
Been looking at these:
http://www.millennium-music.com/lag_af200.htm
http://www.thomann.de/gb/ibanez_rgt42dxipt.htm
24 fret pointy superstrats = Win.
Seen the Ibanez on Ebay new for £399 BIN.
These are more to add to the short list :>
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Just found out Lag are at LGS - Gives me a whole 5th reason to go :D
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NP, if i were you, i would get that LAG Arkane in black shadow. if it plays well, get it, that is.
it looks DEADLY.
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never heard of LAG guitars before.... they do look nice
I'd check out as many guitars at the LGS, and possibly save another £100
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I hate to just suggest what I have but there really are some good reasons for looking at it.
May I suggest the Ibanez RGT42 as it has everything you're looking for:
1) 24 frets
2) H-H layout with 5-way switch
3) Pointy superstrat design
4) Super fast and thin neck
5) Locking trem
6) Mahogany body though it is a rosewood fingderboard instead of ebony
7) VERY easy access to the upper frets due to the neck-thru design
It usually goes for £500 but checkout this place:
http://www.guitarampkeyboard.com/en/66779
they have it available for only £398 and for that money it's a steal for a neck-thru guitar. This is the first neck-thru I've ever owned and as a main guitar, especially for Metal and Rock, I'll never play anything else again. I simply can't express how much I've loved this guitar. The standard pups are decent enough but let's face it, whatever you buy it's likely you'll ultimately put a set of BKP's in it, that's what I've done. Every guitar I've had before there has always been some sort of niggle but I'll keep this one until it falls apart. I spent £500 on mine and for a little more I could have got an entry level Prestige model but I wouldn't even think of changing due to the neck-thru and to get a neck-thru on a Prestige model you're talking £1000 and I'd still end up changing the pups.
Can you tell I like this guitar :D
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kick ass guitar - great idea!
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that does look hot..... especially with your mini-review!
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I hate to just suggest what I have but there really are some good reasons for looking at it.
May I suggest the Ibanez RGT42 as it has everything you're looking for:
1) 24 frets
2) H-H layout with 5-way switch
3) Pointy superstrat design
4) Super fast and thin neck
5) Locking trem
6) Mahogany body though it is a rosewood fingderboard instead of ebony
7) VERY easy access to the upper frets due to the neck-thru design
It usually goes for £500 but checkout this place:
http://www.guitarampkeyboard.com/en/66779
they have it available for only £398 and for that money it's a steal for a neck-thru guitar. This is the first neck-thru I've ever owned and as a main guitar, especially for Metal and Rock, I'll never play anything else again. I simply can't express how much I've loved this guitar. The standard pups are decent enough but let's face it, whatever you buy it's likely you'll ultimately put a set of BKP's in it, that's what I've done. Every guitar I've had before there has always been some sort of niggle but I'll keep this one until it falls apart. I spent £500 on mine and for a little more I could have got an entry level Prestige model but I wouldn't even think of changing due to the neck-thru and to get a neck-thru on a Prestige model you're talking £1000 and I'd still end up changing the pups.
Can you tell I like this guitar :D
Great guitar, great recommendation... I think that's probably just won the race.
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:D Thanks. Actually, I didn't mean it to be a review but I got a bit carried away with myself. If you want a more detailed review of what it's like, get in touch and I'll happily give you the lowdown on it. There is another place I use that is selling it for £500 but may well be able to pricematch and they do a really top drawer setup on it for £55. I paid for a setup on mine when they installed the new pups and it is even more awesome that it was before. It now runs on Ernie Ball Regular Slinkys instead of the Hybrids I used to use and the action is absolutely on the deck - perfect for shredding. Let me know if you'd like their details. I'll be posting a full review of the new pups at the weekend when I've had more of a chance to play with them but I can tell you now that the review will be good.
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Funny you gave such a good review of it - Since it's the one that interests me the most :D
The S series I'm sure is phenomenal - but it doesn't have the agression that I want on a superstrat and it's only 22 fret.
Gunna try the Lag at LGS and if it particularly impresses me I'll see if I can get a bargain. It doesn't look as agressive as the RGT42 but god it's beautiful
http://www.lagguitars.com.au/CL/AF200-RBS.htm
And look at that Headstock :twisted:
And since the RG looks better and is cheapest of the 3 - It's definetly the one I'm looking at mostly atm - And I'm 99% sure I've played and liked one allready in my quest before I got my Viper.
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I always see/hear people ragging on the cheaper stock Ibanez trems and raising the Edge/Edge Pro to some unattainable level of awesomeness...
you should see the knife edges on my lo-trs...
seriously, after what happened to my lo-trs, i wouldn't trust any ibanez trem that wasn't an edge, lo-pro edge, edge pro or zr.
you won't be particularly happy when, 6 months down the line, you find the knife edges were made of papier-mache, and that ibanez, in all their benevolence, has made sure their cheapo trems aren't a direct retrofit for anything decent because they want you to buy a whole new guitar from them, not just a new trem.
wow, that sounds like i'm a bit bitter. it's because I am.
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I always see/hear people ragging on the cheaper stock Ibanez trems and raising the Edge/Edge Pro to some unattainable level of awesomeness...
you should see the knife edges on my lo-trs...
seriously, after what happened to my lo-trs, i wouldn't trust any ibanez trem that wasn't an edge, lo-pro edge, edge pro or zr.
you won't be particularly happy when, 6 months down the line, you find the knife edges were made of papier-mache, and that ibanez, in all their benevolence, has made sure their cheapo trems aren't a direct retrofit for anything decent because they want you to buy a whole new guitar from them, not just a new trem.
wow, that sounds like i'm a bit bitter. it's because I am.
As long as you're not bagging the ZR trems, continue. :D
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mr.pig (steve) was selling something like that rgt42 on here, but with a giger print and warpigs for something ridiculously low (sub £500 i think!) a year or two back; shame you weren't here!
UPDATE: noone bought it on here, so in the end it went on th'ebay for £550 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7418064057&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
http://www.bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/files/giger_2_205.jpg
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The Dean is a good choice, and you can pick up a Maverick F1 or X1 for £400-and-a-bit, very nice guitars.
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The Dean is a good choice, and you can pick up a Maverick F1 or X1 for £400-and-a-bit, very nice guitars.
i'd try mavericks before you buy - a lot of people love them, but a lot also hate them. The F1 i tried had odd controls, and to me the neck felt strange....
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The Dean is a good choice, and you can pick up a Maverick F1 or X1 for £400-and-a-bit, very nice guitars.
i'd try mavericks before you buy - a lot of people love them, but a lot also hate them. The F1 i tried had odd controls, and to me the neck felt strange....
I hated the F1 - The neck was odd and it all seemed so cheap :S
I'd like to try the Dean, but if I get a particularly good offer at LGS - I'll be leaving with a new axe.
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mr.pig (steve) was selling something like that rgt42 on here, but with a giger print and warpigs for something ridiculously low (sub £500 i think!) a year or two back; shame you weren't here!
UPDATE: noone bought it on here, so in the end it went on th'ebay for £550 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7418064057&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
http://www.bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/files/giger_2_205.jpg
Very awesome - But a new time machine's gunna add alot to that 550.
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This thread only further serves to heighten my hard-on for an Ibanez S470.
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Tried the Dean - Sucked arse, the LFR felt like plastic, it looked like cr@p, and the Inlays are worse in person than in photos.
Tried the LAG - Was ok, but nothing special.
Tried the RG - Was so $%&#ing amazing that I bought it on the spot.
Here's some photos I just took:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/noodleplugerine/RG/100_0575.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/noodleplugerine/RG/100_0576.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/noodleplugerine/RG/100_0577.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/noodleplugerine/RG/100_0578.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/noodleplugerine/RG/100_0579.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/noodleplugerine/RG/100_0580.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/noodleplugerine/RG/100_0581.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/noodleplugerine/RG/100_0582.jpg)
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Nice :)
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awesome stuff! how does it sound? how does it play (what a stupid question :roll: )
i want one!
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Shreds and squeals amazing well - Amazing smooth neck compared to alot of RGs I've played with "Satin" maple necks which your hand squeaks and sticks to.
The finish on the neck makes it super super sleak, like the one on my Viper but thinner and more shred.
The fretboard is also superb, even though I thought I didn't like Rosewood - Totally changed my mind.
Fret access - It's neck through - Nuf said - But I'll say anyway, 24th fret is as easy to hit as the 5th.
The bridge is superb, and MUCH better than the shite I played on the cheap Deans and Jacksons/LAG etc.
The sound is SUPERB. INSANE amounts of Sustain - And I'm honestly very suprised by the pickups - Not nearly as weak and toneless as I thought they would be - That being said, they'll be replaced eventually - even if it's for cosmetics :roll:
The gun metal hardware looks freaking awesome too, and the inlays are beautiful with their 2 tone look.
The 5 way is sturdy and you won't switch accidentaly like on Strats, same with the Knobs (number of times I've accidentaly turned to half guitar volume on my viper), that's not gunna happen here - But ofcourse it will wear out and become very spinable - but that's what happens.
Action came perfect, very low, and very smooth - absolutely NO fret buzz ANYWHERE, and the intonation is set up perfectly - I was VERY suprised, especially since it was Korean built.
All in all an absolutely FANTASTIC guitar, and easily good enough to stand beside my viper, and in my opinion even good enough to compete with my mate's M2.
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Shreds and squeals amazing well - Amazing smooth neck compared to alot of RGs I've played with "Satin" maple necks which your hand squeaks and sticks to.
The finish on the neck makes it super super sleak, like the one on my Viper but thinner and more shred.
The fretboard is also superb, even though I thought I didn't like Rosewood - Totally changed my mind.
Fret access - It's neck through - Nuf said - But I'll say anyway, 24th fret is as easy to hit as the 5th.
The bridge is superb, and MUCH better than the shitee I played on the cheap Deans and Jacksons/LAG etc.
The sound is SUPERB. INSANE amounts of Sustain - And I'm honestly very suprised by the pickups - Not nearly as weak and toneless as I thought they would be - That being said, they'll be replaced eventually - even if it's for cosmetics :roll:
The gun metal hardware looks freaking awesome too, and the inlays are beautiful with their 2 tone look.
The 5 way is sturdy and you won't switch accidentaly like on Strats, same with the Knobs (number of times I've accidentaly turned to half guitar volume on my viper), that's not gunna happen here - But ofcourse it will wear out and become very spinable - but that's what happens.
Action came perfect, very low, and very smooth - absolutely NO fret buzz ANYWHERE, and the intonation is set up perfectly - I was VERY suprised, especially since it was Korean built.
All in all an absolutely FANTASTIC guitar, and easily good enough to stand beside my viper, and in my opinion even good enough to compete with my mate's M2.
niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice
but i've decided against buying a floating trem guitar ever again. they now annoy me when restringing, and i've had enough. it may even ruin the neck of my razorback :roll:
convert a floating trem to a fixed/tune-o-matic bridge?
anything other than the tremel-no
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Have 2 guitars then - 1 stop tail, 1 locking trem.
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So, what model is it and how much was it? Looks shite hot!
convert a floating trem to a fixed/tune-o-matic bridge?
anything other than the tremel-no
Why? What do you have against Tremol-No's?
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sweet!
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I'm pleased that the guitar I suggested with so much enthusiasm is the one you bought :D It's great to know that there is somebody else on this board who uses an RGT42. When I bought mine it only came in pearlescent black, which I do like, but I must say that yours looks incredible; really gorgeous. I also post on another board and some of those Prestige Ibanez snobs keep saying I should have bought a Prestige model - something I've always refuted due to my love of the thru-neck. At last someone can confirm my own assessment that the RGT42 is a simply awesome guitar for the money. I've had mine a couple of years now and there simply isn't anything else I'd even consider buying for the same kind of money and it sounds like you feel exactly the same.
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So, what model is it and how much was it? Looks shitee hot!
convert a floating trem to a fixed/tune-o-matic bridge?
anything other than the tremel-no
Why? What do you have against Tremol-No's?
to install one, you have to take EVERYTHING in the back of your floyd to bits, then you have to get absolutely everything perfectly lined up afterwards when you put them back on. plus, the idea of removing the screws holding the springs doesn't sound like a good idea to me.
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So, what model is it and how much was it? Looks shitee hot!
Ibanez RGT42DXFM. I think the T stands for neck thru, the DX for deluxe, and the FM for Flamed Maple.
I'm pleased that the guitar I suggested with so much enthusiasm is the one you bought :D It's great to know that there is somebody else on this board who uses an RGT42. When I bought mine it only came in pearlescent black, which I do like, but I must say that yours looks incredible; really gorgeous. I also post on another board and some of those Prestige Ibanez snobs keep saying I should have bought a Prestige model - something I've always refuted due to my love of the thru-neck. At last someone can confirm my own assessment that the RGT42 is a simply awesome guitar for the money. I've had mine a couple of years now and there simply isn't anything else I'd even consider buying for the same kind of money and it sounds like you feel exactly the same.
I'll put it simply - This guitar outplays every Prestige I've ever played - Including the Jems.
Neck-thru is just pure bliss.
And you're right - I paid £425 for it, and frankly, I spent a large part of LGS trying EVERY guitar near that price, and none of them even compared. It was embarassing how much better the RGT42 is.
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great choice!
I have an RG470F/TBL (pretty old model, but I don't know its history because I bought it from a friend). It's absolutely superb!
I can recommend the Miracle Man bridge pickup to replace that INF2, although I think I made the wrong decision: I think I probably wanted the ceramic Warpig to go in there. Either way, it still sounds AWESOME with BKPs in ;)
Congrats.
Roo
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Changed the photos on page 3 to new ones taken this morning - my camera was set on cr@p quality mode last night. >_>
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Changed the photos on page 3 to new ones taken this morning - my camera was set on cr@p quality mode last night. >_>
what???how did you do that? why doesnt mine have a cr@p quality mode? :P
looks awesome now there's light NP 8) :twisted:
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Changed the photos on page 3 to new ones taken this morning - my camera was set on cr@p quality mode last night. >_>
what???how did you do that? why doesnt mine have a cr@p quality mode? :P
looks awesome now there's light NP 8) :twisted:
Cheers - I've been playing it since I woke up - Mastered the Dime squeal :D
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Changed the photos on page 3 to new ones taken this morning - my camera was set on cr@p quality mode last night. >_>
what???how did you do that? why doesnt mine have a cr@p quality mode? :P
looks awesome now there's light NP 8) :twisted:
Cheers - I've been playing it since I woke up - Mastered the Dime squeal :D
that's the only reason i don't block off the floyd :D
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Changed the photos on page 3 to new ones taken this morning - my camera was set on cr@p quality mode last night. >_>
what???how did you do that? why doesnt mine have a cr@p quality mode? :P
looks awesome now there's light NP 8) :twisted:
Cheers - I've been playing it since I woke up - Mastered the Dime squeal :D
that's the only reason i don't block off the floyd :D
haha - I'd never block it - Way too much fun!
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That's a beautiful Ibby bro!! 8)
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to install one, you have to take EVERYTHING in the back of your floyd to bits, then you have to get absolutely everything perfectly lined up afterwards when you put them back on. plus, the idea of removing the screws holding the springs doesn't sound like a good idea to me.
I installed one myself on my Strat, the basics are the same and trust me it's easy.
I'm not a guitar tinkerer - I don't solder my own pickups or anything - but trust me it is SO easy as long as you follow the video instructions which couldn't be any clearer if they tried.
Honestly man, it's a brilliant product that's as simple to install as it is practical to use.
Ibanez RGT42DXFM. I think the T stands for neck thru, the DX for deluxe, and the FM for Flamed Maple.
Outstanding!! A flamed maple top and a neck-thru construction for a shade over £400?! BLimey, that's cheeeeap!
Cheers - I've been playing it since I woke up - Mastered the Dime squeal :D
I LOVE doing them, so easy and yet so effective... drop the bar, flick, harmonic and raise it. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHRGHRGHR!!
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so, Mr Ed, can the tremel-no handle high string + spring tension or does it not matter? and how many springs can you use with it (i.e. does it get in the way)?
I LOVE doing them, so easy and yet so effective... drop the bar, flick, harmonic and raise it. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHRGHRGHR!!
it's more of a
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEIIIRIRIRIRIREEERRERIERIEIRERROORRORROO
when i do it :lol:
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so, Mr Ed, can the tremel-no handle high string + spring tension or does it not matter? and how many springs can you use with it (i.e. does it get in the way)?
Well, it works with almost all trems on the block... some guitar manufacturers that have come up with their own trems use a block which is too big (for example) and I think some Fenders have a bevelled trem block so the claw can't attach to it.
Best thing to do with any queries is ask here: info@tremol-no.com
They replay really quickly and the guy who developed it/runs the company is absolutely brilliant, he really is a top bloke. As far as I know though it shouldn't be a problem in the slightest and it should be able to deal with as many springs as your Trem has. On the installation video on the site, he's installing it to a locking trem so, y'know, it must work.
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FECK
Wore out the hexagon in one of the saddles on my nut (turned it the wrong way *sigh*) - Anyone recommend a place where I can get a new one? (can't get the saddle off, so will need to buy a whole new nut). It's one of the ones screwed in from under the headstock and I'd rather not pay the £25 they ask for the OFR ones...
PS: 43mm...
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would pliers not get it out?
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would pliers not get it out?
Nope - Instead it just killed the grip around it making it smooth - *sigh* cr@ppy cheap metal >.<
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I had the same same problem with my Ibanez JS100, but it was one of the screws in the bridge, luckily i managed to get it out. Ibanez are sh!t at replacing parts, i was wayting for about a year with misfit screw that was too long and had a flat-head screwdriver end rather that allen key. I ended up selling without the proper screw.
anyway, i'm not sure if it would turn out cheaper or not, but you could get it drilled out, or do it your self if you trust yourself enough.