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Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Dazza1004 on April 26, 2007, 08:52:04 AM
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can you get a good lead tone from them ?.
I am interested in peoples opinions on these amps generally as well
Ta
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I can't see past them. I've been using a triple rectifier now for about 4 years, it's seen hundreds of gigs, metal, country, punk, wedding and function bands - so soul, funk etc etc as well, and I find it covers everything with ease.
A guitar with two humbuckers, a delay, a compressor, a chorus, a wah and the boogie and I can pretty much do any gig at all.
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If I had the cash and the room would buy one of these, used by many bands for lead and rhythm
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My dream amp is a Mesa Rectifier!! I've heard they can cover a lot of different styles despite being an amp well known for metal.
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Horrid, horrid amps. Sludgy metal drivel... all you need is some EMG pickups feeding a Boogie and you're in generic metal tone limbo.
If I had the money to drop on something as utterly overpriced as a Boogie, I'd definately be looking elsewhere like a phowar-worthy Bogner or Diezel.
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they are not too bad 2nd hand cost wise.
If I was spending big tin I would be looking at the Mark IV or Cornford MK50 II, or even maybe a Stiletto.
Appreciate the steer though
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The Stilletto's are very very very nice indeed. Now that's some good ampage.
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Horrid, horrid amps. Sludgy metal drivel... all you need is some EMG pickups feeding a Boogie and you're in generic metal tone limbo.
If I had the money to drop on something as utterly overpriced as a Boogie, I'd definately be looking elsewhere like a phowar-worthy Bogner or Diezel.
fair enough, EMG + Recto = Generic Metal sound, but thats not to say that's all they can do. Santana plays through Mesa's, and i've been told even endorsed them, and you'd find it hard to argue that he play metal.
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Cant stand em. . ENGL Blows em away IMO
Mark
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Horrid, horrid amps. Sludgy metal drivel... all you need is some EMG pickups feeding a Boogie and you're in generic metal tone limbo.
If I had the money to drop on something as utterly overpriced as a Boogie, I'd definately be looking elsewhere like a phowar-worthy Bogner or Diezel.
fair enough, EMG + Recto = Generic Metal sound, but thats not to say that's all they can do. Santana plays through Mesa's, and i've been told even endorsed them, and you'd find it hard to argue that he play metal.
True, but I would say that Carlos Santana - for all his skill - hardly has an original guitar tone. It just has the living hell compressed out of it.
And Santana used to use the Boogie Mark 1, not Rectumfriers.
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they're good if you play nu-metal i guess. Can't say they do much for me. I'm more inclined to the more bluesy and lo-gain mesas. for the price theres a million better things yu can get.
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can you get a good lead tone from them ?
IMO yes (http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6608) :) but I guess it's a matter of taste.
If money was no object then I might have got a VHT Ultralead instead, & I'd like to have a HK Triamp (big Lifeson fan :D) or an Engl (Powerball or Savage), but I don't regret getting my rectifier - it's served me well...
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Horrid, horrid amps. Sludgy metal drivel... all you need is some EMG pickups feeding a Boogie and you're in generic metal tone limbo.
If I had the money to drop on something as utterly overpriced as a Boogie, I'd definately be looking elsewhere like a phowar-worthy Bogner or Diezel.
Wrong. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDCbEHJrLkc
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Horrid, horrid amps. Sludgy metal drivel... all you need is some EMG pickups feeding a Boogie and you're in generic metal tone limbo.
If I had the money to drop on something as utterly overpriced as a Boogie, I'd definately be looking elsewhere like a phowar-worthy Bogner or Diezel.
Wrong. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDCbEHJrLkc
That guy has some great vids. I found his vids under Orange Tiny terror which sounds great through his Mesa cab. He also has a clip of the Marshall Vintage Modern.
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When it comes down to it, it's a matter of personal taste, but they're definitely not purely metal amps.
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i think mesas sound best with single coils
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Horrid, horrid amps. Sludgy metal drivel... all you need is some EMG pickups feeding a Boogie and you're in generic metal tone limbo.
If I had the money to drop on something as utterly overpriced as a Boogie, I'd definately be looking elsewhere like a phowar-worthy Bogner or Diezel.
i agree (other than bogner, i haven't tried them). I'd certainly be looking elsewhere... if i lived in the USA, it might be another story... $1500 is a fair price for one... not £1700.
fair enough, EMG + Recto = Generic Metal sound, but thats not to say that's all they can do. Santana plays through Mesa's, and i've been told even endorsed them, and you'd find it hard to argue that he play metal.
yheah, but the recto was the amp in question...
Cant stand em. . ENGL Blows em away IMO
Mark
+1, more versatile, better value. unless you have to have the characteristic (generic) recto crunch, there are much better options this side of the pond. engl being one.
Wrong. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDCbEHJrLkc
what? I'm loathe to judge on a youtube vid (but luckily i don't have to as i've tried them) and engl sounds a million times better than that for mid gain, in my opinion. unless you've bought a fireball or something, maybe.
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I think that clips tone was awful :lol:
But that's just me.
All the old school thrash bands putting out new material use Mesa Rectifiers, like Metallica, Exodus, Testament, Tankard, Destruction etc. Such an awesome thrash amp.
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Such an awesome thrash amp.
if you want your thrash muddy, loose, and scooped :P
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Your telling me that Testament and Exodus have shite tones?!
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i've jsut listened to those bands (never heard before) and i guess a muddy, loose, and scooped sound suits what they're doing; doesn't float my boat though
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I think that clips tone was awful :lol:
But that's just me.
All the old school thrash bands putting out new material use Mesa Rectifiers, like Metallica,
i thought they used diezel?
EDIT: just to point out, i actually like the recto tone... just i disagree with its price over here. £1700 for an amp which does one thing well is a bit steep, IMO (though to be fair, i'd only need that recto tone maybe 10% of the time, so maybe that's not a fair criticism). also, i don't think it's versatile... the only non-high gain tone that it had that was even usable, IMO, was the pushed mode on the clean channel... and unless you go MIDI (more money, to add insult to injury!), that means no clean channel (though judging by the quality of the recto's clean channel, that's no great loss...).
And vintage and raw modes just sound like the modern mode with a bit of the gain and presence rolled off, IMO...
as I said, give one to me for the USA price, and I'd probably consider one.
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yeah overpriced..but love the tone...arn't they used by foofighters as well as vox amps
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what? I'm loathe to judge on a youtube vid (but luckily i don't have to as i've tried them) and engl sounds a million times better than that for mid gain, in my opinion. unless you've bought a fireball or something, maybe.
Well it was more to do with "Sludgy metal drivel..." whereas that clip shows it doing some nice (imho) cleans/mild overdrive. I've never actually played an Engl or Mesa, so my opinion is useless :D
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I think that clips tone was awful :lol:
But that's just me.
All the old school thrash bands putting out new material use Mesa Rectifiers, like Metallica,
i thought they used diezel?
Who Metallica? They have never ever used Diezel i don't think. I thought they were the most popular Recto users.
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I think that clips tone was awful :lol:
But that's just me.
All the old school thrash bands putting out new material use Mesa Rectifiers, like Metallica,
i thought they used diezel?
Who Metallica? They have never ever used Diezel i don't think. I thought they were the most popular Recto users.
On the dvd that came with St. Anger, James has a Diezel behind him along with his Mesa's. :)
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Ah, well they are still using Mesa and they always use them live, St Anger sucked in the music and tonal departments anyways.
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what? I'm loathe to judge on a youtube vid (but luckily i don't have to as i've tried them) and engl sounds a million times better than that for mid gain, in my opinion. unless you've bought a fireball or something, maybe.
Well it was more to do with "Sludgy metal drivel..." whereas that clip shows it doing some nice (imho) cleans/mild overdrive. I've never actually played an Engl or Mesa, so my opinion is useless :D
heh, i'm with crazy joe, i didn't like the tone on the clip...
:drink:
On the dvd that came with St. Anger, James has a Diezel behind him along with his Mesa's. :)
+1
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Was he using it with the Mesa or as 2 different amps?
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Here's the vid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3F2VrLcFgc
You'll get a good look at it around 3:39. I was going off of memory but now that I've watched the vid again, all I see is a Diezel and Roland amp.
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the Dual Rectifier is a generic metal tone now because before it came along there was nothing quite like it. for mega gain metal people were using heavily modified Marshalls or hard to get hand made amps. it has become a generic sound because it was so good at what it did.
agree with Dave though, if we paid over here what the Americans can get them for, i'd be tempted, but at UK prices, no chance. my El Diablo :twisted: can do much the same thing for half the price. with a speaker built in!
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Here's the vid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3F2VrLcFgc
You'll get a good look at it around 3:39. I was going off of memory but now that I've watched the vid again, all I see is a Diezel and Roland amp.
yeah. what cabs do they use?
i hope their new album will be better than that......
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what? I'm loathe to judge on a youtube vid (but luckily i don't have to as i've tried them) and engl sounds a million times better than that for mid gain, in my opinion. unless you've bought a fireball or something, maybe.
Exactly.
youtube videos can suck my balls... and also people who just film themselves playing are generally narcissistic arseparts so meh.
I think that clips tone was awful :lol:
But that's just me.
Me too, obviously that's going to be a combination of how it's been recorded but I'd say the singlecoils naturally treble-edge teamed with an over-rated amp has given it a really shrill sound that offensive to the ears.
yeah overpriced..but love the tone...arn't they used by foofighters as well as vox amps
The Foo Fighters, both Dave Grohl and Chris Shiflett, use Mesa Boogie Road Kings and they some of the most ASS guitar tones going. Chris' is marginally better but Dave uses his god-awful Firebird Studio (ie, cheap cr@p) into a Road King and has a sludgy, undefined, muddy mess of cr@p spewing out with way too much gain applied.
The Foos are my favourite band, their postboard is my number one board and we have our own equipment forum and we very frequently dick on their choice of equipment because it got slowly worse.
They haven't used Vox's (live anyway, they record using all sorts) for about 5-6 years since the 2001 album (There Is Nothing Left To Lose) era.
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(a)the Dual Rectifier is a generic metal tone now because before it came along there was nothing quite like it. for mega gain metal people were using heavily modified Marshalls or hard to get hand made amps. it has become a generic sound because it was so good at what it did.
(b)agree with Dave though, if we paid over here what the Americans can get them for, i'd be tempted, but at UK prices, no chance. my El Diablo :twisted: can do much the same thing for half the price. with a speaker built in!
(a) agreed... but it's still too dear. :lol:
(b) yeah, i'd say the ED is better, IMO- more versatile (or at least, does the non-metal tones better).
EDIT:^ what the heck is an arsepart? :lol:
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EDIT:^ what the heck is an arsepart? :lol:
Like a part of the arse... maybe the hole but perhaps the cheek. 8)
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:?
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yeah overpriced..but love the tone...arn't they used by foofighters as well as vox amps
Well James Hetfield has apparently purchased 3 or 4 Brian May model AC 30s.
I find it very unfair to critisize Santannas tone, as way back when he found his voice, nobody sounded like that, and no other amps could manage it. If you don't like that tone thats fine. I have to admit that I wish he would show a greater variation in tone (as he did for a while in the early 80s)
No one amp will give you every tone that you want, but it's nice to find one that will give you most of them.
Rob...
PS I prefer the older mesas, and some of the newer models are starting to get interesting again
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PS I prefer the older mesas, and some of the newer models are starting to get interesting again
yeah, the lone star special and the new express amps look interesting, and especially the stiletto, although i'd love to a/b it with the new marshall JVM, just to see is it really £1000 better!
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Did somebody here ever tried those new Marshalls (JVM series and Vintage Modern)? they are said to be real good and i'm quite interested i must say....
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I heard a lot of players who were able to get some great tones from Rectifiers.
If you can't sound good with a Rectifier, you probably need to get some more practice, sorry.
But yes, the thing is totally overpriced in Europe.
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I'd have to say the opposite, Ive had my boogie for two years now and it is good at producing saturated saggy thick sluggish style distortion- if thats what you want. I find them overly warm and lacking in the punch of a JCM 800 for example.
I think all that makes it easier to mask the shortcommings in your playing. With a more defined articulate sound that cuts through the mix better your more exposing your technique.
I saw the FOO Fighters at hyde park last year and their sound was absolutely awefull, dont know what amps they were using though, but they did sound like boogies
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I think all that makes it easier to mask the shortcommings in your playing. With a more defined articulate sound that cuts through the mix better your more exposing your technique.
Weird, that's exactly what Justin Hawkins said when he moved from Marshall to Rectumfriers, he said he did so because his technique was more sloppy than his brothers and Boogies were a lot more forgiving for him and he doesn't have to play as tight as Dan does.
I saw the FOO Fighters at hyde park last year and their sound was absolutely awefull, dont know what amps they were using though, but they did sound like boogies
As I already said, both Dave and Chris use Boogie Road Kings and they sound like ass.
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So anyone who likes Rectifiers is not only stupid but also tone deaf & a cr@p player? :roll: :lol:
Whatever, to each his own, YMMV etc... :)
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FWIW, it's a fair comment that they're overpriced at the moment. With the dollar so weak, the price should have plumetted over here, but it hasn't. Methinks UK distributors & dealers are cashing in :(
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Methinks UK distributors & dealers are cashing in :(
Westside are bar-stewards... tried to charge me £55 for a new PSU :roll:
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Everyone, go look up "Taking up Serpents" and "Salem Ark" by Byzantine and tell me that isn't tight, powerfull, and raunchy. They only use dual rectifiers.
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FWIW, it's a fair comment that they're overpriced at the moment. With the dollar so weak, the price should have plumetted over here, but it hasn't. Methinks UK distributors & dealers are cashing in :(
that's my major beef. with £1= $2, there is no way in hell that they should be charging more than double what they're charging in the USA.
Customs is about 23% (less than a quarter), while postage is maybe, what, $100? To be conservative, say $200... and you're still up to about $2000... or £1000. not £1700.
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Well I was thinking of going Mesa but the price has put me off. they're practically/pretty much half price in US than here. I'd like a Diezel instead, but they're even more money out my pocket which i can't afford.
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They dont call us treasure island for nothing!
I buy most of my stuff from the US, even with the shipping charges and VAT it still works out cheaper.
I've spoken to places like music 123 over there about getting new stuff over, but they say that most manufactures don't allow them to ship to the UK, otherwise they'd be unable to keep the price so inflated.
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Well I was thinking of going Mesa but the price has put me off. they're practically/pretty much half price in US than here. I'd like a Diezel instead, but they're even more money out my pocket which i can't afford.
at least diezel aren't less than half as much in the states, though...
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They dont call us treasure island for nothing!
I buy most of my stuff from the US, even with the shipping charges and VAT it still works out cheaper.
I've spoken to places like music 123 over there about getting new stuff over, but they say that most manufactures don't allow them to ship to the UK, otherwise they'd be unable to keep the price so inflated.
Yeah mate, same here, whenever I need a new pedal or pickup or anything, I always look on ebay and ship from America - it usually comes in at just about half price or thereabouts.
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Well, Road Kings just happen to sound fantastic when John Petrucci's using them! He tours and records with one and it sounds great. Check out SCORE if you don't believe me.
But for his cleans he uses a Lone Star, which might be saying something about the Road King's cleans... and an amp which can't sound good clean and dirty is probably not worth having.
In Australia, you're looking at $7500 AU (or 3100 pounds/6200 USD) for a Road King head, which is totally REDICULOUS, especially when you can get a Peavey JSX head in my local shop for $2800 AU.
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2600$ in the states (or something like that)--> 4000euros in Paris with 1eur=1.35$........ :evil: ridiculous is the word
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^ ^ i hear they've improved the cleans on the newer roadkings, but on the one i tried (older version), they weren't great- some of the clean modes were decent, but nothing was spectacular.
i mean, at £3000, everything better be spectacular. you could buy 2-3 boutique amps for the same price.
again, at usa prices it's a much more attractive proposition.
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Roadkings kick ass. They are like rectifiers with a blues amp built in. They are annoying as $%&# to tweak though.
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FWIW, it's a fair comment that they're overpriced at the moment. With the dollar so weak, the price should have plumetted over here, but it hasn't. Methinks UK distributors & dealers are cashing in :(
that's my major beef. with £1= $2, there is no way in hell that they should be charging more than double what they're charging in the USA.
Customs is about 23% (less than a quarter), while postage is maybe, what, $100? To be conservative, say $200... and you're still up to about $2000... or £1000. not £1700.
Dealers aren't cashing in. Distributors maybe. I know what my shop (a major one) buys boogies for. And I can tell you the percentage profit is VERY slim. In fact this is the case with almost everything. IF somethings expensive, chances are the shop is making very little on it, so I can only assume that either, boogie/gibson et al sell at very high prices to UK distributors, or those distributors are making a massive percentage.
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Dealers aren't cashing in. Distributors maybe. I know what my shop (a major one) buys boogies for. And I can tell you the percentage profit is VERY slim. In fact this is the case with almost everything. IF somethings expensive, chances are the shop is making very little on it, so I can only assume that either, boogie/gibson et al sell at very high prices to UK distributors, or those distributors are making a massive percentage.
Fair enough, but if a Dual Rectifier cost ~£1700 when the $:£ rate was 1.6 then it should cost (at most) £1400 now the exchange rate is >2.0
So somebody is cashing in... :)
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Dealers aren't cashing in. Distributors maybe. I know what my shop (a major one) buys boogies for. And I can tell you the percentage profit is VERY slim. In fact this is the case with almost everything. IF somethings expensive, chances are the shop is making very little on it, so I can only assume that either, boogie/gibson et al sell at very high prices to UK distributors, or those distributors are making a massive percentage.
Fair enough, but if a Dual Rectifier cost ~£1700 when the $:£ rate was 1.6 then it should cost (at most) £1400 now the exchange rate is >2.0
So somebody is cashing in... :)
You're absolutely right. I just need to do my wee bit to point out that it's not the shops, 'cause it's always us that get moaned at :lol:
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Dealers aren't cashing in. Distributors maybe. I know what my shop (a major one) buys boogies for. And I can tell you the percentage profit is VERY slim. In fact this is the case with almost everything. IF somethings expensive, chances are the shop is making very little on it, so I can only assume that either, boogie/gibson et al sell at very high prices to UK distributors, or those distributors are making a massive percentage.
yeah, i never meant it was necessarily the shops. I just meant that someone, somewhere, involved with boogie is using the UK to finance their next private jet.
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Dealers aren't cashing in. Distributors maybe. I know what my shop (a major one) buys boogies for. And I can tell you the percentage profit is VERY slim. In fact this is the case with almost everything. IF somethings expensive, chances are the shop is making very little on it, so I can only assume that either, boogie/gibson et al sell at very high prices to UK distributors, or those distributors are making a massive percentage.
yeah, i never meant it was necessarily the shops. I just meant that someone, somewhere, involved with boogie is using the UK to finance their next private jet.
Hey, someone's got to buy Randall his next swimming pool.
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^ :lol:
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Nothing like a good ol' Mega Rectum-frier to blow your wallet.
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Nothing like a good ol' Mega Rectum-frier to blow your wallet.
:lol:
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Allan Holdsworth used to use them (but he changes more often than anyone else I can think of). Here are some interviews where he mentions them:
http://www.abstractlogix.com/interview_view.php?idno=15
This one has been translated from English to Russian and back again!
http://www.therealallanholdsworth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1779&sid=ccfecae645c63ce7c46b5b8f8ba451de
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I hear that the Peavey JSX is a way better alternative to Mesa... can anyone confirm?
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^ totally different tone and vibe to a recto.
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can you get a good lead tone from them ?.
I am interested in peoples opinions on these amps generally as well
Ta
I love Andy Timmons' tone! He uses the Lonestar and Stiletto.
Hope this helps ya.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=mGSGohHX9TI&mode=related&search=
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5FL6zoAkuqA&mode=related&search=
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Well I was thinking of going Mesa but the price has put me off. they're practically/pretty much half price in US than here. I'd like a Diezel instead, but they're even more money out my pocket which i can't afford.
Forget all that mesa, deizel hype and check out a Koch Powertone II!
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Check out voodoo amps
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Mesy/Booger Rectum Fryers
are absolute shitee..
imho 8)