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Title: BlackDogs and RebelYells playing Diezel Einstein
Post by: hunter on May 07, 2007, 12:36:22 PM
Someone asked for clips of the Einstein.

Clip1 is for Channel 1 - using the BlackDog equipped Epiphone Les Paul,  I am stepping through the three modes of Ch1 without changing any settings:
clean/texas/crunch

By the way, I'd rather call them
clean / crunch / kill
as it's got ridiculous amounts  (all gains in these examples were set around 45-55%)
 :twisted:

http://www.thegutbusters.com/temp/Ch1_3MODES_Epiphone.mp3

Clip2 is for Channel 2, which is very fluid / creamy as you can hear. Guitar used here is the RebelYells equipped MusicMan Axis.

http://www.thegutbusters.com/temp/Ch2_Axis.mp3

There are also pics of the Amp here, one is a gut shot. The amateurish placed thick black  cable from the back of the amp to the front is what I put there to make the modes footswitchable.

(http://www.thegutbusters.com/temp/eini.jpg)

(http://www.thegutbusters.com/temp/eini_guts_withmod.jpg)
Title: BlackDogs and RebelYells playing Diezel Einstein
Post by: hunter on May 07, 2007, 03:27:19 PM
EDIT: Here is a proper version of For The Love of God, played with the Diezel and the RY equipped MusicMan

http://www.thegutbusters.com/temp/fortheloveofgod.mp3
Title: BlackDogs and RebelYells playing Diezel Einstein
Post by: Crazy_Joe on May 07, 2007, 05:30:08 PM
That sounds $%&#ing awesome, especially the Steve Vai track. Your playing is quality!
Title: BlackDogs and RebelYells playing Diezel Einstein
Post by: Twinfan on May 07, 2007, 06:54:25 PM
Nice.  I think I prefer the Bogner myself though...   :roll:
Title: BlackDogs and RebelYells playing Diezel Einstein
Post by: DeanS on May 07, 2007, 07:56:14 PM
Liked that tone a lot- what volume were those clips played at?
Title: BlackDogs and RebelYells playing Diezel Einstein
Post by: hunter on May 07, 2007, 08:03:32 PM
Quote from: Twinfan
Nice.  I think I prefer the Bogner myself though...   :roll:


hmm, hard to say, as they're completely different sound wise, but I guess I'd agree with you  - If one would have to go, I'd keep the Shiva indeed.

Quote from: DeanS
Liked that tone a lot- what volume were those clips played at?


Believe it or not, just like having a conversation, or a bit more maybe, but really low, 0.1 Master I'd say. On the Vai clip, the SM57 was also about 20cm away and turned towards the wall, instead of bein close up like on the first clips.
Title: BlackDogs and RebelYells playing Diezel Einstein
Post by: Adam.M on May 07, 2007, 08:23:06 PM
Hmm, think i'll have a... bonger shiva  :wink:

I love the vai clip, that sounds awesome, seems what this amp is more geared towards maybe?
Title: BlackDogs and RebelYells playing Diezel Einstein
Post by: Twinfan on May 07, 2007, 09:12:47 PM
Yeah, the Diezels are gain monsters.  Give me "old skool" any day  ;)
Title: BlackDogs and RebelYells playing Diezel Einstein
Post by: WITH FULL DISTORTION on May 08, 2007, 05:46:39 PM
Hails Hunter
these clips are HEAVENLY
as always
excellent clips
a 10 from me.
Title: BlackDogs and RebelYells playing Diezel Einstein
Post by: WITH FULL DISTORTION on May 08, 2007, 05:47:18 PM
Crunchy Mids, Tight bass, Open,airy and vintage Highs!
the way it must Be
Q:P
Title: BlackDogs and RebelYells playing Diezel Einstein
Post by: JamesHealey on May 17, 2007, 01:46:13 PM
don't take this the wrong way and it's only meant as my opinion..

but that diezel sounds like absolute dog turd dude..
your shiva destroyed it.
Title: BlackDogs and RebelYells playing Diezel Einstein
Post by: hunter on May 17, 2007, 02:16:16 PM
Quote from: JamesHealey
don't take this the wrong way and it's only meant as my opinion..

but that diezel sounds like absolute dog turd dude..
your shiva destroyed it.


Hahaha, sure man, to everyone his own. It's hard to say.
I got some real good feedback for this Einstein clip (listen past the middle):
www.thegutbusters.com/temp/noquarter.mp3

Somehow I really regret having bought the Einstein, as now I am plugging back and forth between the two and can't decide which I like better. Today Eini, tomorrow Shiva, then Eini ....

They are very different, Shiva is less gainy and has more mids, Diezel has more gain, bass and treble. I like Channel 1 of the Einstein a lot, its 3 modes are all killer. And it seems to cut through better in the band.

Shiva I am much more familiar with and it's easier to dial in.

What I would love to do is crank them both once to really get an idea.
Title: BlackDogs and RebelYells playing Diezel Einstein
Post by: JamesHealey on May 17, 2007, 05:06:04 PM
to me.. the Diezel sounds a lot like a solidstate amp.

It's really poopy sounding.. and any amp that costs £2k with microchips inside on a pcb and tube sockets solderd to the pcb..

isnt really worth the cash.. atleast bogner use flywires for all the tube sockets etc..

should look like this inside.
(http://www.aikenamps.com/SLO100.gif)
Title: BlackDogs and RebelYells playing Diezel Einstein
Post by: hunter on May 17, 2007, 06:24:29 PM
Quote from: JamesHealey
to me.. the Diezel sounds a lot like a solidstate amp.

It's really poopy sounding.. and any amp that costs £2k with microchips inside on a pcb and tube sockets solderd to the pcb..


look I know you love your Splawn, but you gotta keep the facts right. Einis tube sockets are not mounted on the PCB, they are chassis mounted, there are a few mm between case and pcb, they are connected with wires. The sound is pure tube, there are no transistors in the signal chain. The price is also not 2K pounds but 1,900 EUR, which is 1,300 GBP.

Sound is subjective, as said I think the Shiva and the Eini are both awesome amps, though very different.
Title: BlackDogs and RebelYells playing Diezel Einstein
Post by: JJretroTONEGOD on May 17, 2007, 09:01:33 PM
just out of interest, what are the speakers in the cab in the pic with the diezel? They sound great! very tight sound.
Title: BlackDogs and RebelYells playing Diezel Einstein
Post by: noodleplugerine on May 17, 2007, 11:38:26 PM
Quote from: hunter
Quote from: JamesHealey
to me.. the Diezel sounds a lot like a solidstate amp.

It's really poopy sounding.. and any amp that costs £2k with microchips inside on a pcb and tube sockets solderd to the pcb..


look I know you love your Splawn, but you gotta keep the facts right. Einis tube sockets are not mounted on the PCB, they are chassis mounted, there are a few mm between case and pcb, they are connected with wires. The sound is pure tube, there are no transistors in the signal chain. The price is also not 2K pounds but 1,900 EUR, which is 1,300 GBP.

Sound is subjective, as said I think the Shiva and the Eini are both awesome amps, though very different.


Go Hunter! :D
Title: BlackDogs and RebelYells playing Diezel Einstein
Post by: hunter on May 18, 2007, 05:40:50 AM
Quote from: JJretroTONEGOD
just out of interest, what are the speakers in the cab in the pic with the diezel? They sound great! very tight sound.


Simple mix of 1xV30 and 1x12H30. It's recorded at very low volume, maybe that's why ...?

The cab is a Heritage, yes the one in Kalamazoo with the ex Gibson dudes. It's quality and it's ported for more bass. I paid 430 EUR new which I find reasonable for a quality US 2x12. The cab is actually not SO tight, I couldn't play Diezel front loadad cabs or sth, i like them to be a bit woody and resonant.
Title: BlackDogs and RebelYells playing Diezel Einstein
Post by: hunter on May 18, 2007, 05:42:24 AM
Quote from: noodleplugerine
Quote from: hunter

look I know you love your Splawn, but you gotta keep the facts right. Einis tube sockets are not mounted on the PCB, they are chassis mounted, there are a few mm between case and pcb, they are connected with wires. The sound is pure tube, there are no transistors in the signal chain. The price is also not 2K pounds but 1,900 EUR, which is 1,300 GBP.

Sound is subjective, as said I think the Shiva and the Eini are both awesome amps, though very different.


Go Hunter! :D


I feel a bit ashamed for that outbreak now  :oops:
Title: BlackDogs and RebelYells playing Diezel Einstein
Post by: noodleplugerine on May 18, 2007, 10:17:46 AM
Quote from: hunter
Quote from: noodleplugerine
Quote from: hunter

look I know you love your Splawn, but you gotta keep the facts right. Einis tube sockets are not mounted on the PCB, they are chassis mounted, there are a few mm between case and pcb, they are connected with wires. The sound is pure tube, there are no transistors in the signal chain. The price is also not 2K pounds but 1,900 EUR, which is 1,300 GBP.

Sound is subjective, as said I think the Shiva and the Eini are both awesome amps, though very different.


Go Hunter! :D


I feel a bit ashamed for that outbreak now  :oops:


Don't - Diezel's rule, and people burning them without the right info should be corrected >_>
Title: BlackDogs and RebelYells playing Diezel Einstein
Post by: steve on May 18, 2007, 11:48:32 AM
Quote from: hunter
Quote from: noodleplugerine
Quote from: hunter

look I know you love your Splawn, but you gotta keep the facts right. Einis tube sockets are not mounted on the PCB, they are chassis mounted, there are a few mm between case and pcb, they are connected with wires. The sound is pure tube, there are no transistors in the signal chain. The price is also not 2K pounds but 1,900 EUR, which is 1,300 GBP.

Sound is subjective, as said I think the Shiva and the Eini are both awesome amps, though very different.


Go Hunter! :D


I feel a bit ashamed for that outbreak now  :oops:


Dont be ashamed, i would do exactly the same. You took the time to record the clips and take some photos then share them with us only to get some negative comments. Good clips by the way!!
Title: BlackDogs and RebelYells playing Diezel Einstein
Post by: Crazy_Joe on May 18, 2007, 08:52:55 PM
Gotta defend your turf Hunter :P
Title: Diesel E
Post by: viking on May 18, 2007, 10:23:41 PM
It seems,to me that you've got now 2 very good amps and they are very , very differents from one another.That's really a +! You are now able to play multiple kinds of music...Congrats 8)  ! I bet many of us would like to have that luxury...(although many have :wink: )
Title: BlackDogs and RebelYells playing Diezel Einstein
Post by: opprobrium_9 on June 16, 2007, 02:01:54 AM
HOLY $%&#! is all i have to say, i have been playing this clip for weeks on end, it is so incredibly perfect, i just had to keep it and now it is going on my iPod.  Hunter you have officially castrated Vai with this clip - o wait, hasn't he already been...never mind, that's not the point  :wink:.  Someday i hope to play this well, and having all that equipment would be nice too  :D
Title: BlackDogs and RebelYells playing Diezel Einstein
Post by: hunter on June 16, 2007, 09:06:33 AM
Quote from: opprobrium_9
HOLY $%&#! is all i have to say, i have been playing this clip for weeks on end, it is so incredibly perfect, i just had to keep it and now it is going on my iPod.  Hunter you have officially castrated Vai with this clip - o wait, hasn't he already been...never mind, that's not the point  :wink:.  Someday i hope to play this well, and having all that equipment would be nice too  :D



Huh, now ... what to say  :roll:

Thanks a lot for this comment, it leaves me a bit redfaced and humble ...

Actually over on the HC forum some guys said that the bends were out of tune and I didn't get the point at some parts, and I tended to agree with them (I always like to critisize myself as it is more motivating than flattering ;)).
Title: BlackDogs and RebelYells playing Diezel Einstein
Post by: indysmith on June 16, 2007, 11:49:21 AM
gotta say i'm not that into the einstein from the clips.
However i bet it's satisfying to play whilst you're in the room with it, and also this is VERY low volume - which means it can only get better as you crank it :twisted: any chance of a cranked clip to sway us all to the diezel side of the road?
Title: BlackDogs and RebelYells playing Diezel Einstein
Post by: hunter on June 16, 2007, 12:44:40 PM
Quote from: indysmith
gotta say i'm not that into the einstein from the clips.
However i bet it's satisfying to play whilst you're in the room with it, and also this is VERY low volume - which means it can only get better as you crank it :twisted: any chance of a cranked clip to sway us all to the diezel side of the road?


Actually I never made a cranked clip - I cannot crank my amps here very well. The Diezel benefits from a bit of volume because of its rather hi-gain nature, it helps the definition if the speakers move a bit of air. Power amp wise Diezels aren't designed to impact tone a lot with power amp distortion. On the Bogner the impact of crtanking is bigger, it gets soaring, oozing and more fluid when you turn it up a bit. I can turn it up a little maybe later and do some recording for you.
Title: BlackDogs and RebelYells playing Diezel Einstein
Post by: opprobrium_9 on June 17, 2007, 02:07:10 AM
Quote from: hunter
Thanks a lot for this comment, it leaves me a bit redfaced and humble ...

Actually over on the HC forum some guys said that the bends were out of tune and I didn't get the point at some parts, and I tended to agree with them (I always like to critisize myself as it is more motivating than flattering ;)).


well, i know nothing of any "HC forum," and from what i can hear with my (possibly?) novice ears - though i like to think they are fairly developed - the  bends are phenomenal...  and about "not getting the point" at some parts, well, i think that is bullshitee, you hit it right!  Furthermore, disregarding any "not getting the point"s and out of tune bends, it was the soul that counted more than anything.  So much heart went into that piece, or at least emanated out of it.  I tend to praise high and fully the things that i like, and even more so the ones i find, to a degree, perfect - but then, you have already experienced this - so there is no need to be bashful my friend, its just how i operate and i am a picky individual to be sure (getting moreso by the day...).  I have the original Passion and Warfare [1990] album, and on 'For the Love of God' you get the point far more than Vai did, or possibly ever could.  Vai's work on the song is good, but compared to yours it has the soul of a phytoplankton.

Also i completely understand the self-criticizing deal; i think all my work is shite even when others praise it, and when i think something is good eventually i think less of it.  I think to be a creative mind and actively produce art or anything meaningful, one cannot but feel lacking, to some degree, in their own output.  If one did not have this complex of self-doubt then it would be very hard to progress and better oneself and one's craftsmanship, because then one would just settle for one's own "brilliance."  Well, at least, that's my two cents.  In any case, great work!