Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: sambo on May 20, 2007, 01:46:48 PM
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went to soundcontrol in milton keynes today....
tried a few schecters, Gibson les paul studio, and a PRS very similar (i think it might be exactly the same model), as this one:
http://machinehead.co.uk/product_info.php/cPath/38_116/products_id/643
but in orange.
up until i tried the PRS, some cheap schecter was top of the bunch... ahead of the gibson which was more than TWICE the price...
then the PRS... and just... wow... it blew me away, having never properly played something of that quality before...
i was constantly thinking of all the spec i had in mind for a possible custom guitar... and this (in an odd way) was actually really close...
- the neck was felt very similar in length and balance to my Gibson (same scale i think...? i havent checked)
- at the same time, the profile was much more leaning towards my jackson, but a bit slimmer and a bit wider i think.
- there was body carving.. BUT it was pretty shallow, and the central column, i.e. where the pickups and bridge are- was COMPLETELY flat... so it felt really natural for me to play, just like my melody maker.
- the two humbuckers were controlled with a 5-way rotary switch, which coil-split each humbucker (i think...?) meaning it was bloody versatile...
- the humbuckers themselves were really quite nice, and played through a Marshall JVM it sounded excellent. (although i would still replace the pickups in time i think, as it did lack SOMEthing)...
- it also has locking tuners, and a vintage trem (which is bearable- as long as it isnt a floyd)...
so to cut a long story short... I LOVE IT SO MUCH!
i was thinking in my head... "what would i possibly change if i went custom".... and i honestly couldnt think of a thing....
it looked and played exactly how would want.. i know i said a lot i wanted a natural finish, but that was realy due to my hate of really spangly flame and quilt tops... so this solid, bright orange was a similarly nice alternative- VERY striking as well - would look awesome on stage.
dont have the money right now, so ive had it reserved for two weeks...
im not jumping to conclusions just yet... gonna try some more stuff to make sure this is the right decision... but its just such a gorgeous guitar... i fell in love with it the second i picked it up.
EDIT: just found the exact model:
http://www.prsguitars.com/cemahogany/index.html
anyway- no real point to this.... just wanted to inform a few of those who have helped me out a GREAT deal (thanks again everyone), of where im headed...
all the advice definitely sent me in the right direction... and the encouragement to try stuff out is what made me do so today.
cheers!
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I love my PRS. It's a standard 24 built in 1990, so it's got a brazillian rosewood fretboard, one piece tremolo, small neck heel and all the other nice stuff. Never really liked many PRS's but this one hit the spot. It's like my Strat and RG, it's like an extension of me and couldn't imagine not having it anymore.
but anyway :lol: when you get the money, go for it because you won't regret it
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ha!
yer i remember reading in another thread how much you love yours.
awesome.
just gotta hope it turns out the same for me!
:D
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PRS' are some of the best guitars on the planet.
If you get a good one.
So make sure you play every single one in the shop - Even of the same model. Because I assure you - No matter how good the one you played was, if you look through the rest of the stock you might find one that trumps it.
Same policy applies with Gibsons.
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I love PRS guitars :D I'm once again contemplating selling my Charvel so I can get an SE - I love the Santana. Great neck, and its a really comfy guitar. Looks really nice in tobacco sunburst as well!
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PRS' are some of the best guitars on the planet.
If you get a good one.
So make sure you play every single one in the shop - Even of the same model. Because I assure you - No matter how good the one you played was, if you look through the rest of the stock you might find one that trumps it.
Same policy applies with Gibsons.
cheers for that.
theres a blue one of the same model in machinehead, so i'll give that a try as well.
i'd heard that a lot about gibsons, so had some preconceptions before i even tried anything... but i have to say... the Studio was nowhere near worth £800... considering my mates £300 epi is only a little bit worse... (definitely noticable though).... and considering this PRS was going for £999- the Gibbo was £800.... really surprising.
and tom- the Santana is the coolest of the SEs in my opinion... has a bit of character... the blue with the tortoiseshell-type scratchplate is awesome.
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prs are very nice, if a bit dear for what they are over here...
i'd seriously, if at all possible, suggest trying out some eggles... they feel very similar to PRS's to me, for less cash...
of course, if the prs is "the one", by all means go with that. :lol:
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yer i was concerned about price... i wasnt even CONSIDERING trying a PRS until i realised i tried an £800 Gibson.... why not try a similarly priced competitor?
if it was at its retail price (around £1499), then it would be a different story...
in fact the cheapest other place i can find it is still about £1200... and machineheads USED one is £999, (same price)... so it seems more reasonably priced than normal.
but im still gonna try and get to coventry to try some eggles, after robs (endless :roll: :wink: ) recommendations, and now yours.
that single-cut Eggle 'Seville' prototype has been a favourite of mine for ages.
we shall see!
but all i know at the moment is that i would LOVE to have that PRS with me right now to play through the ENGL... my god...
FRUSTRATION! :evil:
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^ yeah, i mean to me (and from what i can remember), my eggle's neck feels very slightly thicker than the prs wide thin (which is awesome), and a lot thinner than the wide fat (which feels, to a shredder like me, like a baseball bat, lol).
do you know which prs neck you tried? EDIT: according to that link you posted, the 22 fret is wide fat, the 24 wide thin.
as i said, i'm not down on prs at all... just the prices here. and £800 sounds like a kickass price for one... they're normally around £1200-£1300, i think.
EDIT: jj might be worth a try too. i think i prefer eggle though.
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ahh interesting...
yer i think it was the 22 i tried, which makes it wide-fat.... suited me perfectly coming from the Gibson and Jackson... it was almost like a mix between the two.
as i said- i just kinda naturally setlled in to playing it.
whats JJ? lol :oops: :lol:
i really am interested in an Eggle though... especially since you mention how the necks seem to feel... if it comes to it, i'll get this PRS, and then think about an Eggle... both would be cool to have; Eggles really appeal to me cause i like stuff thats 'different'... but at the same time i could have a bit of a showy-axe in the PRS :)
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Well i am falling in love with this PRS Se One but damn should have placed a neck pickups there.
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So - are you selling off all your gear to get the PRS now Sambo?
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Well i am falling in love with this PRS Se One but damn should have placed a neck pickups there.
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nice!
i love p-90s.
and Feline- kinda... if i dont get enough, or i dont make enough in time... then i'll get something slightly more affordable... eggle e.t.c.
but basically, playing the PRS has made me realised the extent to which i am unhappy with my guitars. the ENGL is staying (forever).
but yer, a change is needed, and imminent!
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I quite like this one-I played one a while back and it was rather good.
http://www.prsguitars.com/sesoapbar2maple/index.html
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I quite like the look of this though I have not played one- t'would be nice with soapbar pups.
http://www.prsguitars.com/secustomsh/index.html
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I quite like this one-I played one a while back and it was rather good.
http://www.prsguitars.com/sesoapbar2maple/index.html
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PRS-SE-Soapbar_W0QQitemZ130114038937QQihZ003QQcategoryZ33045QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting
Better imo.
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ahh interesting...
yer i think it was the 22 i tried, which makes it wide-fat.... suited me perfectly coming from the Gibson and Jackson... it was almost like a mix between the two.
as i said- i just kinda naturally setlled in to playing it.
whats JJ? lol :oops: :lol:
i really am interested in an Eggle though... especially since you mention how the necks seem to feel... if it comes to it, i'll get this PRS, and then think about an Eggle... both would be cool to have; Eggles really appeal to me cause i like stuff thats 'different'... but at the same time i could have a bit of a showy-axe in the PRS :)
to be honest, if i was looking into that type of money, i'd want to try eggle etc. before i went prs... though i'm a bit older, have a car etc., so maybe it's easier said than done for you, lol.
bear in mind, what i said about the eggle neck is based on memory... i didn't try them head to head. you might try it and think it's a lot different... :lol:
oh yeah, jj: http://www.jjguitars.com/
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the PRS... and just... wow... it blew me away, having never properly played something of that quality before...
Sambo, i would suggest to go back there and try it again ;if you still feel the same about it,go for it ! :) Really, it's the best to fall in love on the spot !It means that guitar is for you ! :wink:
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Well i am falling in love with this PRS Se One but damn should have placed a neck pickups there.
But if it had a neck pickup they'd have to call it the SE Two. :wink:
I want to try one of those, I've got a touch of GAS for a single-P90 guitar at the moment.
Sambo, the PRS sounds a great deal. If it calls your name next time you visit the shop, go for it!
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I want to try one of those, I've got a touch of GAS for a single-P90 guitar at the moment.
Sambo is selling his famous Gibson Junior BKP-90 ...
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cheers for the link dave.
and yer, i asked my dad if he could take me to coventry in the next week or so... so that should be cool. i'll hopefully be able to judge the necks, (and everything else of course, lol) myself... which as i am always told on here... is of course the best way... (im just a lazy bar-steward with no transport). :D
i've only asked the shop to reserve it anyway... theres no obligation whatsoever so if i change my mind i can pull out completely.... i just didnt want to look back on today as the day i let 'the one' go... if you see what i mean... :lol:
and thanks for the words of encouragement from everyone else guys, lol.
i'll give it another play if my mind hasnt been grabbed by something else, and if it still has the same effect, i'll most definitely go for it. :)
and yer- philly - buy my Gibbo! :lol:
nah im sure its far too low-class for the likes of this forum...
odd though, as much as the PRS totally destroys both the Gibson and the Jackson... in an odd way i still love the Gibson... it just has so much character... almost like you have to fit against it to play it... if i didnt fall in love with the PRS, and if i didnt have financial constraints, i would defo keep it.
thing about selling it is... im worried a buyer will think its shitee and i've conned them... when really i honestly think its great... (and im not an idiot :lol: )... i find even expensive guitars cr@p... so its odd that i like the Gibson so much.
ANYWAY, random sentimental gibson chat over.
cheers guys, i'll let you know what happens! :)
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Heh, I'm glad your in love Sam.
although I'm not mad on PRS (always think of Nu Metal & Emo bands), I like the look of the orange finish one. Although I'm a sucker for a nice tiger stripe or whatever I think PRS guitars are usually too loud (yet I think bright orange isn't).
As has been said pay it a 2nd visit, before purchase to see if it's still the one before handing over money.
BTW if you are heading up to Coventry like PRS, have differing necks on 22 & 24 fret models, 24s are mahogany and 22s are maple. There is also a slightly different profile.
Rob...
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cheers rob!
I think PRS guitars are usually too loud (yet I think bright orange isn't).
strange isnt it? same for me really... while a red quilt top seems O.T.T... a bright, graish orange seems quite placid :?
BTW if you are heading up to Coventry like PRS, have differing necks on 22 & 24 fret models, 24s are mahogany and 22s are maple. There is also a slightly different profile.
Rob...
ahhh thats actually a very interesting point... i wouldnt have thought to ask that had i not known- cheers.
cant wait to try that Seville, and perhaps even that purple Berlin you showed me a while ago- very similar finish type to the PRS actually now that i come to think of it.... in fact, in general... VERY similar to the PRS... :lol:
really looking forward to seeing these Eggles after everything i've heard from... well... everywhere... never heard a bad word about them.
we shall see!
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cant wait to try that Seville, and perhaps even that purple Berlin you showed me a while ago- very similar finish type to the PRS actually now that i come to think of it.... in fact, in general... VERY similar to the PRS... :lol:
I was actually going to say in the previous posting hands off the purple one (all mahogany), and looks perfect for perhaps a pair of Rebel Yells (with the purple bobbin tops ofcourse), but as I'm not actually in the market for another guitar (but how long will that last for)
Give Richard a call beforhand as they has more in stock than is on the website.
Rob...
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haha!
well if i fall in love with that one too... i promise i'll let you play it some day :D
nah im kidding... (i wouldnt let you play it :wink: )
on a serious note, i've really liked the idea of Rebel Yells recently after re-visiting the Steve Stevens clips... and your right- the purpleness is just too much of a coincidence to even consider not buying a set :D
and i didnt realise they had any more stock actually... good stuff.
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I'd say if you want a really beautiful guitar of that sort - Save up a bit more.
£1200 can buy you an Organic.
Or you could even go custom!
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the PRS is really beautiful... :lol:
well, firstly, organics have never really appealed to me...
secondly- i could go custom for even less than the PRS... i got a quote for £875 for what i THOUGHT was my 'dream guitar'.... but at the end of the day i cant play that product until its complete.... and if im unhappy with anything after its completion... its MY fault... and i dont think im ready with the detailed specs to get 100% what i want from scratch... whereas with the PRS i know what im getting, and i love it.
but im not rushing anything yet. ive got one quote from a luthier, and im in contact with another, as well paying a visit to coventy as said before...
so i am exploring other avenues...
we'll have to see how it goes... (i sound like someone MATURE saying that... :evil: )
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and yer- philly - buy my Gibbo! :lol:
nah im sure its far too low-class for the likes of this forum...
Definitely not too low-class. I'd be tempted were it not for the slim-taper neck shape and that annoying little "step" where the neck joins the body.
Good luck with the sales. And the purchases! :D
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If PRS were anymore overpriced, they'd be Gibson.
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Oh sam the austin is back as well ;)
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If PRS were anymore overpriced, they'd be Gibson.
haha is there anything you DONT insult?
Cheers Philly!
and Rob- is it on ebay again or just on sale in the shop?! excellent either way... its like a more les pauly PRS.
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and Rob- is it on ebay again or just on sale in the shop?! excellent either way... its like a more les pauly PRS.
It's on fleabay
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If PRS were anymore overpriced, they'd be Gibson.
haha is there anything you DONT insult?
Hey, I can't help it - I call an overpriced spade an overpriced spade. I calls it how I sees it.
Fernandes, there's value for money. Japanese Fenders too.
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my fernandes is shitee.
and i know what your saying may well be true about PRS'... but then again you havent played this one have you? :wink:
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What Fernandes you got?
Yeah, I have... I think the best that PRS have to offer is the outstanding SE range. Apart from the lousy wrapover tailpieces, they are seriously good guitars - solid bodies, well made, reasonably good necks (although I found the Tremonti to be a bit uncomfy) - but the rest of their stuff for me is style over content.
In about 2002/3 I was on VERY good terms with my local guitar shop because I was basically in there every day for a chat, buy some pedals every couple of weeks and stuff and they let me have a go of a proper £4,000 Custom 24 (or thereabouts) and it was good but it wasn't, like, mind-blowing or anything. Visually, they are stunning... but I didn't feel anything special about it.
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Yeah, I have...
the exact one?!
fernandes is the Dave Kushner Ravelle by the way.
I think the best that PRS have to offer is the outstanding SE range. Apart from the lousy wrapover tailpieces, they are seriously good guitars - solid bodies, well made, reasonably good necks (although I found the Tremonti to be a bit uncomfy) - but the rest of their stuff for me is style over content.
In about 2002/3 I was on VERY good terms with my local guitar shop because I was basically in there every day for a chat, buy some pedals every couple of weeks and stuff and they let me have a go of a proper £4,000 Custom 24 (or thereabouts) and it was good but it wasn't, like, mind-blowing or anything. Visually, they are stunning... but I didn't feel anything special about it.
i disagree on the SE range... they're nice, but i chose my Melody Maker over a tremonti (because im strange), after a long while of direct A-B. comparison. and i've tried quite a few, always been impressed.. but not enough to want one.
horses for courses i guess!
i'd probably agree on the really expensive PRS' though... i dont really see how ANY guitar can justify being priced over maybe £2000.
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I'm shocked! What don't you like about the Ravelle, I $%&#ing adore mine. I'd marry it if I could.
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haha!, maybe i just got a duff one? who knows...
but basically it plays like a piece of shitee... and thats that...
the looks and feel are top notch... and i can imagine that if was set up properly it might well be fantastic.
either way, im leaning away from traditional LP-style feel/playability, which is what the Ravelle certainly comes under... so whilst its a nice (possibly great/awesome) guitar.... its not for me i dont think.
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I'll give you £200 for it. :lol:
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:lol:
times that by 3.5... and your almost there :lol: :wink:
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I was always shite at maths... £200 times by 3.5... so you only want £235? :D
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:lol:
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haha!, maybe i just got a duff one? who knows...
but basically it plays like a piece of shitee... and thats that...
Shhhhhh, you are trying to sell the thing
Theres nothing wrong with wrapover tail pieces either
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I despise wrapover tailpieces, I find them really cheap - the exception to the rule is the one that Eastwood use on their Ultra-GP geetars:
http://www.eastwoodguitars.com/GTRs/eastwood-GP/images/GP-big/eastwoodGPblack.jpg
Wrapover style but with individually adjustable saddles. Bonza.
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I despise wrapover tailpieces, I find them really cheap - the exception to the rule is the one that Eastwood use on their Ultra-GP geetars:
http://www.eastwoodguitars.com/GTRs/eastwood-GP/images/GP-big/eastwoodGPblack.jpg
Wrapover style but with individually adjustable saddles. Bonza.
I've never found any problem with intonation or anything with the wrapover tailpieces, even on cheaper PRS. Anyway, PRS do make an adjustable wrapover according to this page - http://www.prsguitars.com/csc/bridges.html
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Be careful in Coventry mate, they're a right bunch of knuckledraggers. I'm sitting next to one of them now eho has more than a passing resemblance to Chuck Norris.
Been in a few scr@pes there, my old stomping ground is Rugby, just up the road (although I probably live closer now :cry: )
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isn't there some kind of saying/proverb about being "sent to coventry"? maybe i'm confusing that with omagh (rob'll get that one!)...
no idea, just came to me.
anyway, good luck sam... try everything you can get your hands on, etc., etc. the usual advice.
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I'm sitting next to one of them now eho has more than a passing resemblance to Chuck Norris.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
well if they're all like that, then i really do need to be careful!...
should be alright... as soon as the car stops i'll leg it into the shop with minimal time spent in the open streets (where im vulnerable to a roundhouse kick).
cheers for the warning though :lol: :)
and cheers dave- hopefully i'll make a day of it and get to play a decent amount of different stuff.
i think your about the Coventry saying as well... im sure i've heard that before somewhere...
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Being sent to Coventry means that no one is talking to you...........
............This is as opposed to being from Coventry, which means that people might be speaking to you, you just can't understand it without the grunts :lol:
Good luck with the Eggle. It may be workth having a natter over at the Patrick Eggle forum. They only really talk about the guitars when Mr Eggle himself was still there. I heard (no experience) that the quality of them went down a bit when they were taken over by Tilley's. I think if you get a new one now, the quality has gone up again.
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^ ah, ok, knew i'd heard it somewhere. omagh means the voices in your head are talking to you... :lol:
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I thought I'd post this to see if Sam is still alive (possibly his visit to Covevtry didn't go so well)
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PATRICK-EGGLE-AUSTIN-ELECTRIC-6-STRING-INC-CASE_W0QQitemZ330122540744QQihZ014QQcategoryZ2384QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Come on Sam theres only 8 hours left ;)
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I thought I'd post this to see if Sam is still alive (possibly his visit to Covevtry didn't go so well)
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PATRICK-EGGLE-AUSTIN-ELECTRIC-6-STRING-INC-CASE_W0QQitemZ330122540744QQihZ014QQcategoryZ2384QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Come on Sam theres only 8 hours left ;)
Dear god that's ugly.
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i think its gorgeous!!!
its a quirky-looking les paul... lovely.
i didnt make it to coventry :cry: my dad (without telling me in advance), has gone to dorset to see his mum for the week...
grrrrrr!!!!
but i had some playing sessions in machinehead and Coda... which have added to the mental picture of what i want.
if i hadnt been stung by blind-purchases in the past, i would probably buy that Austin to be honest... i love it. but im too scared to take the risk.
if it doesnt sell, AGAIN... i'll trrrrrry and get to the shop to play it (but anything above 10 miles is SO difficult for me :evil:)
i need to experience eggle for myself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
everything but the Fernandes and Jackson sold... so hopefully after re-listing them, and selling some other stuff as well... im aiming for a target of £1400/1500... and im leaning towards going custom now...
ive been speaking a lot with Bob from Legra, and we're slowly forming a clearer picture of my dream guitar.
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Gave up on the PRS then ?
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pretty much... i wont get the money in time basically.
and im trying to be as adult as i can about this... and think everything through and not rush anything..
i DONT want a trem... and a test in the shop was fine with the PRS, but i know after a while it would get to me... which i dont want a £1000 guitar to do...
im not a fan of maple necks either... so im going by the logic that if im prepared to spend that much on a guitar in the first place, i might as well get the right one...
i cant believe im only a teenager!!?!?! i should be getting cheap Ibanez' RG's because they're 'cool'.... not looking at PRS-league guitars...
maybe i'll get the austin and spend the rest on another amp.... or a car... i need a car.
EDIT: Machinehead have one of the same PRS', so i got to give the same thing a test... its close to perfect.... but not quite.
im too much of a perfectionist. :evil:
second EDIT: im still not decided on anything.... im still going to TRY and get to coventry and maybe wembley guitar centre thing in the next few months.... it may be i settle on a random guitar i havent even considered, i might end up getting the PRS, i might go custom, i might get an Eggle...
i just dont know really at the moment...
my brain hurts, i need to sleep.
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i cant believe im only a teenager!!?!?! i should be getting cheap Ibanez' RG's because they're 'cool'.... not looking at PRS-league guitars...
Resent much.
My RGT costs £600 new and it easily sits next to my £1300 Viper.
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I've never heard of a 15/16 year old getting a custom made guitar, i honestly don't know where you get the money from Sambo :lol:
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i cant believe im only a teenager!!?!?! i should be getting cheap Ibanez' RG's because they're 'cool'.... not looking at PRS-league guitars...
Resent much.
My RGT costs £600 new and it easily sits next to my £1300 Viper.
lol well i did say cheap ones... and £600 isn't cheap in my books...
and Joe- yer it seems a bit crazy doesnt it... its not like i just magic money out of nowhere... for every birthday and christmas for the last four or so years, and with every bit of money i've made from paper rounds and other bits and bobs, i've always bought or saved for something guitar-related.... so im always selling stuff to move up a notch... and now, by selling pretty much all the items i have and never use... (not just guitar-related either- i just sold my bike recently)... i'll probably have just enough...
but as i said, i'm not set on anything yet... i might decide that its too much money to warrant spending, and just go for an Eggle or a low-end PRS.... i really dont know!
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i cant believe im only a teenager!!?!?! i should be getting cheap Ibanez' RG's because they're 'cool'.... not looking at PRS-league guitars...
Resent much.
My RGT costs £600 new and it easily sits next to my £1300 Viper.
lol well i did say cheap ones... and £600 isn't cheap in my books...
It's Korean built, so I'd class it as a "Cheap Ibanez".
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well personally i thought cheap meant something of low value...
you know... like how it says in the dictionary.... :wink:
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well personally i thought cheap meant something of low value...
you know... like how it says in the dictionary.... :wink:
Well I class guitars as "Cheap" or "Expensive" :p
And compared to the Prestige Ibanez - Mine's cheap :p
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15 with custom made guitars isn't unusual. I`m 15 and mine is due from Legra soon and I`m discussing a 2nd with Bob too.
Some of the Patrick Eggles are really nice, the PRS style ones in a dark finish!! mmmmm
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well personally i thought cheap meant something of low value...
you know... like how it says in the dictionary.... :wink:
Well I class guitars as "Cheap" or "Expensive" :p
And compared to the Prestige Ibanez - Mine's cheap :p
well compared to Jimmy Page's les paul, 10 Ibanez Prestige's are peanuts.... so this argument could go on forever!
and Woogie- wow! i had no idea... thats awesome.... let me know how it is... what have you gone for? spill the beans.... all the gory details...
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well personally i thought cheap meant something of low value...
you know... like how it says in the dictionary.... :wink:
Well I class guitars as "Cheap" or "Expensive" :p
And compared to the Prestige Ibanez - Mine's cheap :p
well compared to Jimmy Page's les paul, 10 Ibanez Prestige's are peanuts.... so this argument could go on forever!
and Woogie- wow! i had no idea... thats awesome.... let me know how it is... what have you gone for? spill the beans.... all the gory details...
Ah - but you never said cheap guitar - You said cheap Ibanez.
And ofcourse we're talking about production models - Since custom build was seperated in this discussion!
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well i dont remember custom build ever being 'separated'...
but anyway, i actually said "cheap Ibanez RG's".... not just "cheap Ibanez'"...
therefore i'm referring to any RG, specifically, that's cheap compared to other RG's... not any old cheap Ibanez...
this is, once again, just splitting hairs...
BOTTOM LINE: i was referring to low-end RGs.... a £600 RG is NOT a low-end RG, no matter how cheap it is compared to a Prestige...
yes? im talking about RG's... no other ibanez' ever came into my argument...
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well personally i thought cheap meant something of low value...
you know... like how it says in the dictionary.... :wink:
Well I class guitars as "Cheap" or "Expensive" :p
And compared to the Prestige Ibanez - Mine's cheap :p
well compared to Jimmy Page's les paul, 10 Ibanez Prestige's are peanuts.... so this argument could go on forever!
and Woogie- wow! i had no idea... thats awesome.... let me know how it is... what have you gone for? spill the beans.... all the gory details...
Hi sambo, here it is so far: http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/456/jelassyhn4.jpg
Its at the paint shop now!! BKP's obviously.
Should look like this when finished:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0ysyaFuUUk
Cheers
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the blue one?!
awesome!!!
hope it turns out as planned- make sure you report back when its done!
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the blue one?!
awesome!!!
hope it turns out as planned- make sure you report back when its done!
Yep, the blue one. I didn't even know about Jake till last summer when someone lent me the ultimate sin album. Then I searched on youtube to see live versions and I saw the guitar, I just knew I had to have it!! So here I am now with a week or two till I get it!!
Hope you sort your new guitar out :D
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Haha i envy you Sambo, as soon as i get money i just spend it straight away.
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Woogie- niiiiice one!
and joe- lol, yer that's been my downfall a lot in the past... if i had just saved all the money, and not bought loads of stuff all the time... i would have had LOOOOOOOOOOOOOADS more than my buy, sell, buy, sell, buy e.t.c. method...
its better in the long run to just save really... i just lack the self-control... lol
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yeah same lol it's bloody hard, especially when people like Hunter buy PRS SE's and they sound awesome, so you feel obliged to buy one because they are so cheap ahha.
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hahahaha.
it kinds makes me feel like an idiot buying anything over £500 sometimes...
theres no real REASON for it... im just verging on obsessed with guitars.... lol.
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Buying stuff over 500 generally means i keep it even if i don't like it because i spend so much on it, like my Explorer, i prefer my Ibanez but i won't sell my Explorer because i worked hard for the money to buy it haha.
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lol, good philosophy that.
requires self-restraint though :lol:
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haha yeah something which i don't usually have!
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well i dont remember custom build ever being 'separated'...
but anyway, i actually said "cheap Ibanez RG's".... not just "cheap Ibanez'"...
therefore i'm referring to any RG, specifically, that's cheap compared to other RG's... not any old cheap Ibanez...
this is, once again, just splitting hairs...
BOTTOM LINE: i was referring to low-end RGs.... a £600 RG is NOT a low-end RG, no matter how cheap it is compared to a Prestige...
yes? im talking about RG's... no other ibanez' ever came into my argument...
Basically - I'm a teenager - 16, and you say that you - as a teenager - should be aiming for cheap "cool looking" guitars instead of good ones - Which I take as an insult :|
The RGT is and many people will agree here - A cheap RG, it's not the very bottom of the range - but it's korean built with stock INF pickups and as far as most people would recognise - a cheap RG. That being said - it's a good guitar imo. And if you want a lower range guitar - the 320 is also very good imo and is again - A cheap RG.
Not just "cool".
Teenagers other than yourself often PLAY guitars before they buy them too you know?
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i still dont see how you can call £600 a cheap RG.... you can get £200 RGs.... how is 3x that figure, cheap? i dont understand...
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i never made any reference to how good any of the guitars were... just price...
im insulting mySELF not you... i really dont see how you can be so offended...
i said i shouldnt be looking at guitars worth £1500 because im a teenager, and its crazy that im contemplating spending so much...
what your basically accusing me of, is guitar 'snobbery'... which is rich coming from someone with a £1300 ESP...
you've read far too much into this.
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i still dont see how you can call £600 a cheap RG.... you can get £200 RGs.... how is 3x that figure, cheap? i dont understand...
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i never made any reference to how good any of the guitars were... just price...
im insulting mySELF not you... i really dont see how you can be so offended...
i said i shouldnt be looking at guitars worth £1500 because im a teenager, and its crazy that im contemplating spending so much...
what your basically accusing me of, is guitar 'snobbery'... which is rich coming from someone with a £1300 ESP...
you've read far too much into this.
I paid £400 for my £1300 ESP - And it's the fact that you said teenagers all look at "cool looking" guitars which is what I'm insulted about =/
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I paid £400 for my £1300 ESP - And it's the fact that you said teenagers all look at "cool looking" guitars which is what I'm insulted about =/
Can you calm it down please.
TBH you seem to spend a lot of time being fairly rude to people, but very quick to see everything as a personal attack. It stops being amusing after a while.
At least save it for PMs, and spare the rest of us
I suggest you reread the whole thread
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This is all a continuation of the stereotype that all teenagers dream of playing guitars in the shape of a rocket launcher to play Stairway to Heaven on.
But whatever, this has gone far enough I guess.
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^thats exactly what i was aiming for... it was a sarcastic comment to poke fun at the stereotype of teenagers... nothing more nothing less.
just to clarify- it was a stab at the stereotype, not the people the stereotype refers to.
anyway, i've PM'd you.
and this thread isn't exactly of any use any more.
TO- a request for your zappy-powers here.
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I appreciate the the topic moving back to something useful
Rob...
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Hahaha, that has to be the most pointless argument i have ever witnessed, even more pointless than the one in my football thread :lol:
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Hahaha, that has to be the most pointless argument i have ever witnessed, even more pointless than the one in my football thread :lol:
Football is fairly pointless, so I think that argument was more pointless :P
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I am not going to go on about how different it is to "my day"-all I'd say is that if you have the money and you can afford it, get yourself the best you can.Chances are, the guitar will be with you for many years to come and will actually turn out to be inexpensive. Good on you Sambo and Woogie. Just don't get married and have kids at too early an age-my old Strat has come close to being sold in tough times but I managed to hold on to her and I am glad because that is more than did with the wife! So I have the guitar and the second Mrs 38th.
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hahaha omg Sam u lucky sod where r u getting all this money from? didnt u buy ur jackson like... last month, u must cr@p out gold or something.
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hahaha omg Sam u lucky sod where r u getting all this money from? didnt u buy ur jackson like... last month, u must cr@p out gold or something.
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15 with custom made guitars isn't unusual. I`m 15 and mine is due from Legra soon and I`m discussing a 2nd with Bob too.
Some of the Patrick Eggles are really nice, the PRS style ones in a dark finish!! mmmmm
Good stuff Woogie
I like the Jae E Lee Charvels and getting something nice when you are a lefty is even more of a challenge.
We have made guitars for 15 year olds, and they have paid for them themselves - maybe with some Birthday and Xmas money thrown in.
They simply had realised that by changing their spending habits that they could get something special and of great quality, that they would chose to hang on to - good economics at the end of the day!
Good on you guys - looking forward to seeing that Legra Woogie, and Sambo - keep your nerve and only buy a guitar that you really like and will want to hang onto, even if the money is burning a hole in your pocket.
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hahaha omg Sam u lucky sod where r u getting all this money from? didnt u buy ur jackson like... last month, u must cr@p out gold or something.
haha yer the jackson was recent... but much longer than just last month.
im not paying for my next guitar with money out of nowhere... im selling everything else i have pretty much... lol.
cheers Beatle and feline.
38th- nice story about the
keep your nerve and only buy a guitar that you really like and will want to hang onto, even if the money is burning a hole in your pocket.
great bit of advice that. i'm trying to take that on board with money in general nowadays- it can be damn difficult though! but really beneficial i guess in the long run.
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15 with custom made guitars isn't unusual. I`m 15 and mine is due from Legra soon and I`m discussing a 2nd with Bob too.
Sweet jesus how does a 15 year old find the money for two legras? 16, you can at least get a proper part time job but 15?
Aalthough I suppose I'm a teenager and I have about £1750 worth of gear, which I'm expecting to add another £6k to over the next year... Can't complain, really.
Basically, I've never really been one for dream guitars - £500 and a decent setup will get you a perfectly good guitar so £1500 will get you 3. Each to their own I guess but when I the couple of times I've played anything worth over a grand they've just bored me. Give me a wobbly tone pot or inlay glue on the fretboard any day. As long as the neck's good and it stays in tune cheapness just adds character in my book. Hmm.
Fernandes are indeed great guitars, I'm looking to buy my second ravelle, although I wouldn't touch a dave kushner one, each of his initials seem to add £200 to the price. I'm intrigued by the revolver elite, too, although being a small run could mean used prices stay high. Not sure I'd get on with the sustainer, either.
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I`ve just saved for ages haha. Luckily I haven't had to work yet. I said to myself that I can work now if I want extra cash but then I have a life time of work ahead so I`ll enjoy my childhood and money!! Premium bonds have been good to me 8). I don't buy anything else because I don't need to. Gonna ask Bob about an SG Junior clone or maybe a 1 humbucker strat when the blueburst is done. Btw Sambo, I think you should go for custom built :twisted:
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I`ve just saved for ages haha. Luckily I haven't had to work yet. I said to myself that I can work now if I want extra cash but then I have a life time of work ahead so I`ll enjoy my childhood and money!! Premium bonds have been good to me 8). I don't buy anything else because I don't need to. Gonna ask Bob about an SG Junior clone or maybe a 1 humbucker strat when the blueburst is done. Btw Sambo, I think you should go for custom built :twisted:
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I'm no good at saving. Every time I want to put cash in the bank, I have to go past the music shop.
Result: 4000 songs on iTunes but 23 pence in my account
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I`ve just saved for ages haha. Luckily I haven't had to work yet. I said to myself that I can work now if I want extra cash but then I have a life time of work ahead so I`ll enjoy my childhood and money!! Premium bonds have been good to me 8). I don't buy anything else because I don't need to. Gonna ask Bob about an SG Junior clone or maybe a 1 humbucker strat when the blueburst is done. Btw Sambo, I think you should go for custom built :twisted:
ah, you must be the one who's winning when i'm not... darn premium bonds, i've had £500 in them since i was 16, haven't won yet! by my reckoning and the law of averages, i should've won three or four times... :evil:
:lol:
Sweet jesus how does a 15 year old find the money for two legras? 16, you can at least get a proper part time job but 15?
Aalthough I suppose I'm a teenager and I have about £1750 worth of gear, which I'm expecting to add another £6k to over the next year... Can't complain, really.
Basically, I've never really been one for dream guitars - £500 and a decent setup will get you a perfectly good guitar so £1500 will get you 3. Each to their own I guess but when I the couple of times I've played anything worth over a grand they've just bored me. Give me a wobbly tone pot or inlay glue on the fretboard any day. As long as the neck's good and it stays in tune cheapness just adds character in my book. Hmm.
I'm kinda 50/50 on that... i'd prefer to get a £500 (assuming it's good enough) for the stuff i don't play all that much of, but which i still want a specific guitar for (all the classic styles, basically), but for the stuff i do play a lot, i'm more than willing to fork out for the best i can.
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I`ve won about £500 - £600 so far. Good though cos I can cash in whenver I need to :). You`ll win sometime.
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lmao - Just saw Doug from Black Machine in a cafe - I'm a 16 year old and honestly if I had the money I would have ordered right there and then xD
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lmao - Just saw Doug from Black Machine in a cafe - I'm a 16 year old and honestly if I had the money I would have ordered right there and then xD
i would have ordered .........A bacon sarnie and a cup of tea......
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Yo Sam im selling my PRS 2001 Santana SE if your interested, open to offers. Its still in good condition, i would keep it and put some bare knuckles in it but i just dont have the money. Anywho just an option.
(http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/106/dscf0574fn2.jpg)
(http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/3455/dscf0576rl0.jpg)
(http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/2417/dscf0579lm1.jpg)
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lmao - Just saw Doug from Black Machine in a cafe - I'm a 16 year old and honestly if I had the money I would have ordered right there and then xD
In all seriousness Doug makes some nice stuff
Here is a pic I took last week of one when he came round here
Fabulous woods
Nice pickups too
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/felineguitars/blackmachine.jpg)
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lmao - Just saw Doug from Black Machine in a cafe - I'm a 16 year old and honestly if I had the money I would have ordered right there and then xD
In all seriousness Doug makes some nice stuff
Here is a pic I took last week of one when he came round here
Fabulous woods
Nice pickups too
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/felineguitars/blackmachine.jpg)
I have such a weak spot for spalted timber, that axe looks incredible!
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wooooooah replies!
Woogie- interesting about the premium bonds..
and yer im VERY close to finalising a spec with Bob now... :D
Feline- that blackmachine is WOW... i'm a fan of spalted tops as well... gorgeous.
Sam- i'll pass on the PRS thanks- it has a trem :evil: evil things they are.
i never thought i would pay more than like £600 for a guitar... but i've become a bit obsessed recently... i have no need for several guitars... but i cant a guitar for £500 that will have me entirely happy on its own..
so, intstead of having 3 £500 guitars, as someone mentioned, personally im better off with one £1500 guitar... it'll be everything i want for my (very specific) needs in my band.... and i hate having to choose which guitar to play/bring it practises and gigs anyway :lol:
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I actually played that BM at LGS.
The Zebrano fingerboard is gorgeous.
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Rofl, I just got a prize late in the post. Got £250 :D. Now wheres Bob!!
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Rofl, I just got a prize late in the post. Got £250 :D. Now wheres Bob!!
you bar-steward. :lol:
EDIT: wow, that's censored? :lol:
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you've only JUST realise that dave?!?!?!?!
:o :lol: :o :lol: :lol:
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i never had the need to use that word before, lol (and i'm only joking this time, lol)... i have to admit i did find it rather odd that everyone was referring to bar-stewards, though. :oops: :lol:
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:lol: :lol: nice.
btw- when is your Legra arriving?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!
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It was due mid may but it is at the paint shop atm. Will be worth the wait definitely.
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lol i meant Daves! :lol:
too much legra-love its getting confusing!!!
cool though.. bet you cant wait.
how long since you actually ordered it then? (woogie)...
:lol:
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Sorry lol. I started discussing in January and I ordered in late February I think. Bob is very helpful.
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not too bad then.. just a few months...
yer Bob is fantastic... i've been a right pain in the arse with a lot of questions... but i'm in the very final stages of designing my creation... :twisted:
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you've only JUST realise that dave?!?!?!?!
:o :lol: :o :lol: :lol:
Well Daves just such a clean living chap he has just discovered swear words ;)
Rob...
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:lol: I just emailed Bob at Legra about making me a strat neck.. depending on the price, I might go with one, if not, it'll probably be a Warmoth job, if that costs considerably less!
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but wait... i thought Dave was Iri.... i mean... yes... yes your right Rob...
:roll: :roll: :roll: :lol: :wink:
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At the last minute we are trying to get hold of a NOS Charvel hardtail (brass). But he doesn't mind at all. He said before he sends to guitar to me he`ll take pictures so if the paint or anything is wrong I can change it. Although I`m sure it will be fine. Good stuff!
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:lol: :lol: nice.
btw- when is your Legra arriving?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!
couple weeks, hopefully.
Well Daves just such a clean living chap he has just discovered swear words ;)
Rob...
precisely. I'm actually drinking a smoothie at the moment, which is quite apt. :lol:
but wait... i thought Dave was Iri.... i mean... yes... yes your right Rob...
:roll: :roll: :roll: :lol: :wink:
careful now... :lol:
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:lol: I just emailed Bob at Legra about making me a strat neck.. depending on the price, I might go with one, if not, it'll probably be a Warmoth job, if that costs considerably less!
Wow, Warmoth is bloody expensive! I just looked on their site, and its an extra $105 for a vintage tint finish!!
I think I'll be going Legra, unless I find another Fender neck with specs that I like 8)
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^ from what i looked into (and then went off the idea, don't think it's worth it for my £200 kramer, lol, par for the course for me), warmoth were pretty good value if you went for the bog standard option... but the upgrades quickly ramped up the cost. while with legra the upgrades didn't add all that much to the cost.
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^ from what i looked into (and then went off the idea, don't think it's worth it for my £200 kramer, lol, par for the course for me), warmoth were pretty good value if you went for the bog standard option... but the upgrades quickly ramped up the cost. while with legra the upgrades didn't add all that much to the cost.
Yeah, I noticed that. I was gonna go for the Warmoth with vintage tint maple, but $105 extra for the vintage tint seems like a bloody rip off to be honest. Besides, Bob quoted me about £170 for a standard rosewood board strat neck, which is about the same as warmoth all in all (excluding customs which would add to the price)
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what exactly is a vintage tint finish tom? :oops:
i think as well as the price not being too different, it's a big advantage buying something as substantial as an entirely new neck from somewhere 'local'.
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Sam, you can kinda see the difference in this pic. The Charvel doesnt have a tint, but the Fender neck does:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/tomr61/CIMG8463.jpg)
'tis a shame I'm not getting on with the radius on the Fender neck, coz it looks really nice :(
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ah i see... it is... well... a vintage tint... :lol: :oops: :oops: :oops:
and yer it does look really nice... matches the body colour nicely as well.
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:lol: I just emailed Bob at Legra about making me a strat neck.. depending on the price, I might go with one, if not, it'll probably be a Warmoth job, if that costs considerably less!
Wow, Warmoth is bloody expensive! I just looked on their site, and its an extra $105 for a vintage tint finish!!
I think I'll be going Legra, unless I find another Fender neck with specs that I like 8)
Get a compound radius neck!!
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All this talk of custom Legras is making me wonder whether I should have gone the total custom route with my current project instead of doing the Warmoth thing. :? Still, it's too late now, body and neck are due to arrive sometime very soon.
Dammit.
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The PRS guitars are good, but JJs are cheaper, handmade, and uglier. :twisted:
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The PRS guitars are good, but JJs are cheaper, handmade, and uglier. :twisted:
:lol:
i prefer eggle, to be honest. but jj are nice too.
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sorry to hijack ya thread here sambo....
But tom I've been dying to ask for about a week now (net probs), what is the model of your strat. I dont see many of that burst and I was starting to think I was the only person in the world wierd enough to have bought one.
thanks
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Its a mutt as far as I know
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sorry to hijack ya thread here sambo....
But tom I've been dying to ask for about a week now (net probs), what is the model of your strat. I dont see many of that burst and I was starting to think I was the only person in the world wierd enough to have bought one.
thanks
'tis a parts strat. Got the body off ebay, apparently made by Roger Giffin in the 80s, dont know whether thats true or not, but it looks great and seems to sound good :) Its sienna sunburst or something apparently. The neck is a MIM Fender, vintage '57 style (I think), that I bought off of PhilKing a few months ago. I decided that I prefer a humbucker in the bridge though (strat singles just dont do it for me I dont think :\), so its going HSS, though I'm considering getting a mississipi queen some time.
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- it also has locking tuners, and a vintage trem (which is bearable- as long as it isnt a floyd)...
Excuse me for my ignorance, Sambo, but what exactly is wrong with the Floyd Rose? (maybe you already answered this but i am too lazy to read through 9 pages)
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It looks alot like my 2004 Tobacco sunburst strat
(http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g244/19770509/IMGP0994.jpg)
They call it tobacco sunburst but everyone else (PRS,Gibbo etc) has the idea that tobacco sunburst is a bleck and aged yellow type burst.
I call mine "Peanut brittle burst" coz the the outer colour is the absolute spitting image of the caramel brown colour Peanut brittle is :lol:
but yeah... they are pretty rare/uncommon
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Ah yes mine looks very similar to that in sunlight, mines a bit more reddish though. Really nice colour, I prefer it to normal sunburst though :)
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- it also has locking tuners, and a vintage trem (which is bearable- as long as it isnt a floyd)...
Excuse me for my ignorance, Sambo, but what exactly is wrong with the Floyd Rose? (maybe you already answered this but i am too lazy to read through 9 pages)
nothing at all wrong with them, i just hate trems in general personally, that's all.
and no worries Jp.