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Title: Mule >> Crunchbox >> '76 Superbass (Ozzy song)
Post by: HTH AMPS on June 16, 2007, 09:55:55 PM
ok so I spent some time this afternoon recording a soundclip of my rig playing some Ozzy so I might as well post it here - surprising how versatile Mules are.

* 1991 LP std loaded with double creme Mules
* MI Audio Crunchbox
* '76 Marshall Superbass with master volume mod.
* Marshall 4x12 with 55Hz cone G12H-30s
* SM57 into my old Tascam cassette 4-track
* Ozzy track from my old vinyl

I've mixed my guitar hard left so you can hear the Mules loud and proud.  The playing isn't great, some of the timing is off and I didn't learn the riffs properly - pretty much winging it but you'll get the idea, enjoy!  

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Title: Mule >> Crunchbox >> '76 Superbass (Ozzy song)
Post by: hunter on June 16, 2007, 10:15:41 PM
Man this sounds sick!

I love the tone, how loud was it? How much of the overdrive you reckon came from the amp?

I'd love to play with your rig  :roll:
Title: Mule >> Crunchbox >> '76 Superbass (Ozzy song)
Post by: Muso on June 16, 2007, 10:19:44 PM
I really liked your tone, I bet you could get a good Dokken sound too
Title: Mule >> Crunchbox >> '76 Superbass (Ozzy song)
Post by: HTH AMPS on June 16, 2007, 11:16:57 PM
Quote from: hunter
Man this sounds sick!

I love the tone, how loud was it? How much of the overdrive you reckon came from the amp?

I'd love to play with your rig  :roll:


I had the amp's gain on 8 which puts you in Free territory - the Crunchbox is doing the rest.

The amp wasn't that loud at all - room volume, between 1 and 2 on the master.  

Mic placement is the key imo.

 :twisted:
Title: Mule >> Crunchbox >> '76 Superbass (Ozzy song)
Post by: Twinfan on June 16, 2007, 11:32:10 PM
Nice one matey - sounds a bit like my Crunch Box does though my Klipps.  A great pedal, nice playing and top tone!

Must be the day for recording Ozzy clips  ;)
Title: Mule >> Crunchbox >> '76 Superbass (Ozzy song)
Post by: _tom_ on June 17, 2007, 01:32:40 AM
This sounds really good, similar to the tone I was getting when I used the Crunch Box with my Laney/G12H setup!

I'd love to hear the Superbass by itself doing the Free type stuff, the only other superbass I've heard is this big thick fuzzy tone on www.myspace.com/blacktoedown
Title: Mule >> Crunchbox >> '76 Superbass (Ozzy song)
Post by: HTH AMPS on June 17, 2007, 09:11:58 AM
Quote from: _tom_
This sounds really good, similar to the tone I was getting when I used the Crunch Box with my Laney/G12H setup!

I'd love to hear the Superbass by itself doing the Free type stuff, the only other superbass I've heard is this big thick fuzzy tone on www.myspace.com/blacktoedown


I might just do some Free stuff, I love Koss' playing.

 :twisted:
Title: Mule >> Crunchbox >> '76 Superbass (Ozzy song)
Post by: WITH FULL DISTORTION on June 18, 2007, 01:07:33 AM
EXCELLENT STUFF MAN
but the volume is too low
Q:P
excellent tone
i loved it
send me some pics please
i would like to see the pedal too
crunchbox
EXCELLENT
Title: Mule >> Crunchbox >> '76 Superbass (Ozzy song)
Post by: Crazy_Joe on June 18, 2007, 01:55:51 AM
Sounds quality, very good Ozzy tone! You would be better than Zakk Wylde ahaha.
Title: Mule >> Crunchbox >> '76 Superbass (Ozzy song)
Post by: Twinfan on June 18, 2007, 08:04:45 AM
HTH,

Do youfind that the Crunch Box muds up when you roll the volume down on the guitar?  That's the only think I don't like about the pedal...
Title: Mule >> Crunchbox >> '76 Superbass (Ozzy song)
Post by: HTH AMPS on June 18, 2007, 10:34:49 AM
Quote from: WITH FULL DISTORTION
EXCELLENT STUFF MAN
but the volume is too low
Q:P
excellent tone
i loved it
send me some pics please
i would like to see the pedal too
crunchbox
EXCELLENT


do you mean the volume of MY guitar parts is too low? - just set the balance control on windows volume console towards my guitar part rather than the backing track which is mixed in the opposite speaker.

thanks for the comments too - hails!!!  :lol:
Title: Mule >> Crunchbox >> '76 Superbass (Ozzy song)
Post by: HTH AMPS on June 18, 2007, 10:37:47 AM
Quote from: Crazy_Joe
Sounds quality, very good Ozzy tone! You would be better than Zakk Wylde ahaha.


Joe, lmao, if only that were true - Zakk is a monster player, I'd have to practice for the next twenty years solid to get upto his standard (yikes!)

Twinfan, I've not really played with the pedal enough to notice it getting muddy with the guitar's volume roled down.  Maybe a bright cap on your guitar would help with that.

 :twisted:
Title: Mule >> Crunchbox >> '76 Superbass (Ozzy song)
Post by: HTH AMPS on June 18, 2007, 10:56:06 AM
for WFD...

(http://www.miaudio.com/Images/CB.jpg)
Title: Mule >> Crunchbox >> '76 Superbass (Ozzy song)
Post by: Twinfan on June 18, 2007, 11:51:52 AM
Quote from: HEAVIER THAN HELL
Twinfan, I've not really played with the pedal enough to notice it getting muddy with the guitar's volume rolled down.  Maybe a bright cap on your guitar would help with that.


It's not the guitar matey, it's the pedal.  Straight into the amp my guitars are fine (50s style wiring retaining highs), and also via my Box of Rock they're fine too.  I think it's a feature of the Crunch Box.  Not a problem if you're an "all on full" kinda guy and use pedals for boosts/solos.  I use the volume a lot though...
Title: Mule >> Crunchbox >> '76 Superbass (Ozzy song)
Post by: Crazy_Joe on June 18, 2007, 12:03:32 PM
Quote from: HEAVIER THAN HELL
Quote from: Crazy_Joe
Sounds quality, very good Ozzy tone! You would be better than Zakk Wylde ahaha.


Joe, lmao, if only that were true - Zakk is a monster player, I'd have to practice for the next twenty years solid to get upto his standard (yikes!)

Twinfan, I've not really played with the pedal enough to notice it getting muddy with the guitar's volume roled down.  Maybe a bright cap on your guitar would help with that.

 :twisted:


haha yeah his shred is pretty intense, well at least you have beaten him in tone. :P
Title: Mule >> Crunchbox >> '76 Superbass (Ozzy song)
Post by: WITH FULL DISTORTION on June 18, 2007, 02:06:14 PM
ahahah HOly shite Man
Q:)
itīs a totally crunch BOX indeed.iīm so $%&#ing teased by this tone ahahaha
is it only the crunchbox distortion or you mixed the amps distortion with the MI?
can it do Death/threash metal stuff too!?
Q:P
Title: Mule >> Crunchbox >> '76 Superbass (Ozzy song)
Post by: WITH FULL DISTORTION on June 18, 2007, 02:07:46 PM
I thought this song was a Van Hallen song
in teh countless soundclips i downloaded over the net,many players played this song,and just after it,some van hallen sng.
Q:P
Title: Mule >> Crunchbox >> '76 Superbass (Ozzy song)
Post by: HTH AMPS on June 18, 2007, 06:04:49 PM
Quote from: WITH FULL DISTORTION
ahahah HOly shitee Man
Q:)
itīs a totally crunch BOX indeed.iīm so #$%!& teased by this tone ahahaha
is it only the crunchbox distortion or you mixed the amps distortion with the MI?
can it do Death/threash metal stuff too!?
Q:P


to hear how much amp gain I've got going on checkout my new clips of the Mules playing AC/DC, Free and Bluesbreakers stuff - I just added the Crunchbox over that same setting.

there's no way it will do death/thrash but we've both got 5150s to cover that ground  :lol:

I've got some 12s on my Explorer tuned to C so some Nailbomb/5150 clips might be up in the next few days.

 :twisted:
Title: Mule >> Crunchbox >> '76 Superbass (Ozzy song)
Post by: WITH FULL DISTORTION on June 19, 2007, 01:33:46 AM
AHAHAHAHAH HOLY shite.. AWESOME
iīll be waiting.
itīs kinda .. i own you the nailbomb clips , i didnīt have time or equipment to do it.. none of my friends has it thats the reason iīm delaying
iīll try to get a pc microfone.. one of those cheap ones.. and try to record it under brutal volumes. ahahahah at least 1 or 2 output on 5150
Q:)
Hails
JP
THANKīS in advance.
Title: Mule >> Crunchbox >> '76 Superbass (Ozzy song)
Post by: HTH AMPS on June 19, 2007, 01:57:53 AM
I think some Electric Wizard might be in order - not exactly death/thrash but it's still 'heavy as hell' (groan - it had to happen one day)  :wink:

 :twisted:
Title: Mule >> Crunchbox >> '76 Superbass (Ozzy song)
Post by: WITH FULL DISTORTION on June 19, 2007, 02:02:56 AM
Hahahahah Q:)
Title: Mule >> Crunchbox >> '76 Superbass (Ozzy song)
Post by: Kepu on June 19, 2007, 10:05:12 AM
Quote from: HEAVIER THAN HELL
I think some Electric Wizard might be in order - not exactly death/thrash but it's still 'heavy as hell' (groan - it had to happen one day)  :wink:

 :twisted:


Oh! Oh! If you're in C, would you like to do a Cathedral or Grand Magus clip? :o
I've always wanted a 5150 and wonder how some stoner/doom sounds with it

Electric Wizard is fine too tho :P
Title: Mule >> Crunchbox >> '76 Superbass (Ozzy song)
Post by: HTH AMPS on June 19, 2007, 01:37:36 PM
Quote from: Kepu
Quote from: HEAVIER THAN HELL
I think some Electric Wizard might be in order - not exactly death/thrash but it's still 'heavy as hell' (groan - it had to happen one day)  :wink:

 :twisted:


Oh! Oh! If you're in C, would you like to do a Cathedral or Grand Magus clip? :o
I've always wanted a 5150 and wonder how some stoner/doom sounds with it

Electric Wizard is fine too tho :P


I think it does stoner/doom fine if you EQ it right.  For that kind of thing I'd just use a Big Muff into the 'clean' channel though to be honest.

 :twisted:
Title: Mule >> Crunchbox >> '76 Superbass (Ozzy song)
Post by: Henk on November 22, 2007, 06:33:17 AM
Just giving this a BUMP since there are alot of people asking about a distortion stompbox and this clip just sounds AWSOME!
Title: Mule >> Crunchbox >> '76 Superbass (Ozzy song)
Post by: HTH AMPS on November 22, 2007, 02:10:26 PM
Quote from: Henk
Just giving this a BUMP since there are alot of people asking about a distortion stompbox and this clip just sounds AWSOME!


yeah, not bad at all - wonder what that guy used  :roll:  :lol:
Title: Mule >> Crunchbox >> '76 Superbass (Ozzy song)
Post by: waves on November 22, 2007, 03:49:37 PM
Quote from: HEAVIER THAN HELL
Mic placement is the key imo.


Fancy elaborating on that (where you put the mic) or is it a secret?  :wink:
Title: Mule >> Crunchbox >> '76 Superbass (Ozzy song)
Post by: JJretroTONEGOD on November 22, 2007, 04:26:49 PM
Like the clip, it just sounds a bit weird through headphones, the tone is really good.
Title: Mule >> Crunchbox >> '76 Superbass (Ozzy song)
Post by: Henk on November 22, 2007, 06:49:55 PM
Quote from: HEAVIER THAN HELL
Quote from: Henk
Just giving this a BUMP since there are alot of people asking about a distortion stompbox and this clip just sounds AWSOME!


yeah, not bad at all - wonder what that guy used  :roll:  :lol:


I havent got a clue, im like a goldfish and have about 5 seconds mermory capacity.... :mrgreen:
Title: Mule >> Crunchbox >> '76 Superbass (Ozzy song)
Post by: HTH AMPS on November 22, 2007, 10:43:55 PM
Quote from: waves
Quote from: HEAVIER THAN HELL
Mic placement is the key imo.


Fancy elaborating on that (where you put the mic) or is it a secret?  :wink:


I could tell you, but I'd have to kill you  :wink:

It's no big secret really - put the headphones on and move the mid across the speaker cone so you get an idea of the tone at various points of the speaker.  Then try changing the angle that the mic faces the speaker cone.

What works for me is positioning the mic 45degress to the cone between the edge and middle of the speaker.  

I also use two mics to get a bigger tone.  The SM57 doesn't have much bass, but it has lots of midrange to help your tone 'cut'.  I then mix in a cheap Shure Prologue SM58 that has a hollow midrange and lots of bass - fills in the gaps in the SM57's tone spectrum.

I also like the mics touching the grillcloth if you've got the amp fairly quiet to make use of the proximity effect.  If the amp is louder you've naturally got more bass so you can back the mic off upto a foot so it 'sees' more of the speaker and captures a broader frequency range.

 :twisted:
Title: Mule >> Crunchbox >> '76 Superbass (Ozzy song)
Post by: HTH AMPS on November 22, 2007, 10:45:26 PM
Quote from: Henk
Quote from: HEAVIER THAN HELL
Quote from: Henk
Just giving this a BUMP since there are alot of people asking about a distortion stompbox and this clip just sounds AWSOME!


yeah, not bad at all - wonder what that guy used  :roll:  :lol:


I havent got a clue, im like a goldfish and have about 5 seconds mermory capacity.... :mrgreen:


what are we talking about again?  :lol:
Title: Mule >> Crunchbox >> '76 Superbass (Ozzy song)
Post by: gwEm on November 23, 2007, 11:39:44 AM
i like high-ish gain mule tone as well. i think the superbass gives it a nice darkness. cool job!

double or triple tracked?

G
Title: Mule >> Crunchbox >> '76 Superbass (Ozzy song)
Post by: HTH AMPS on November 23, 2007, 12:29:17 PM
Quote from: gwEm
i like high-ish gain mule tone as well. i think the superbass gives it a nice darkness. cool job!

double or triple tracked?

G


Never do triple tracking, I seem to remember that one getting double tracked and mixing it in just enough to make it even fatter.

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Title: Mule >> Crunchbox >> '76 Superbass (Ozzy song)
Post by: indysmith on November 29, 2007, 09:05:23 PM
sorry i'm pretty late to this - but this tone is ULTIMATE!
Title: Re: Mule >> Crunchbox >> '76 Superbass (Ozzy song)
Post by: erikm5150 on June 26, 2009, 05:50:46 PM
Nice tones there!

would you mind sharing the settings you are using for the crunchbox?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Mule >> Crunchbox >> '76 Superbass (Ozzy song)
Post by: Henk on June 26, 2009, 07:09:28 PM
Your a bit late with your responce  :lol:

Anyway i have the crunchbox too and it has enough gain to drive the mules to this kind of tone. Im guesstimating the drive is at 2 o'clock on this clip.

Marvelous clip i have to agree......
Title: Re: Mule >> Crunchbox >> '76 Superbass (Ozzy song)
Post by: sgmypod on June 27, 2009, 07:09:27 PM
cool got to love 4 tracks...like the amp..any chance of a clean clip as well