Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: futuregun on June 21, 2007, 12:17:48 AM
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well lads i just bought a guitar off ebay an it has a calibrated set of MM.right its a jackson dkmg, one of the new ones....while i still have an older model (pre2005) and its like half thee weight of mine.
i have a X2N in my original J and i mean its a brute compared to th new one.....i know its not the MM's fault, but im confused.
both are supposed to be alder bodies but i cant explain the massive wieght difference, im transplanting the MM set into my older J whenever my new soldering iron arrives. so i can see whats is affectin th tone so much .as i bet onve its in my other guitar the MM set will really shine!
anyone got any advice about it?
like should i try other BK pups in the alder body as MMs are too bright for it as im after a beefy chug with ALOT of highs...surely MMs are the way to go??????????????
new jackson :shock:
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was it the snakeskin jackson with burnt chrome mm set?
and normally heavier in a guitar is worse
as it means the wood is more compressed therefore doesnt resonate as well.
how close are the MMs to the strings
i had to get mine really close to get the best sound out of it as it wasnt beefy enough where i normally have them id say mine is 2,5mm away
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hahahaha no man i WISH it was the snakeskin jackson!!! that was fine but very dear.
reallly if the guitar is heavier its not as good?i though with th heavier wood it would have more bass resonance.
bugger that.
they are about 2mm from the strings... so shouldnt be causin a prob.sound is very clear and that but meh somethings not right about them...maybe in just reall intune with my other J??ive had it for 3yrs now and its all i play.
or is the x2n hotter than th MMs??it isnt as clear but its likely got a higher output. the MM set is coil tapped but that wouldnt make a difference would it? maybe the guy i got it off hasnt got em wired just right though i doubt thats the reason.
annoyed....maybe the warpig is what im after, ceramic
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the x2n is higher output and it could very well be a wiring problem i had a slightly dodgy connection on mine when i installed it and it sounded really week compared to the ibanez v8 humbucker that was in the rocket roll that i replaced with the MM before i sold it.
And yes sometimes heavier is good in woods that are meant to be heavy but alder is a fairly light wood.
as far as i know theres 3 grades of wood from the tree (im just gonna repeat what a guy on the esp forum told me)
at the bottom of the tree the wood is really compressed from the weight of all the wood above it hence it being really dense and heavy, this wood is used for cheap cr@p guitars such as encores etc.
half way up its less compressed and of an everage weight this is what goes into epis mid range ltds etc
at the very top it isnt compressed at all but theres less wood up there this is the best tonally but because of the amount available it costs a hell of a lot more (hence the prices) this is generally used for esps high end gibsons etc.
hopefully that helps
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cheers man!!!
its gave me a better idea about my guitars...the miracle man J does have more bass than the other...but i thought that was th pup.
the heavier guitar has a better crafted body and neck. its a jap dkmg...but so is the other.
its just abit odd why they are so different.
well i should be gettin my new soldering iron the marra so ill change em over to see anyways.
though i need new elecxtrics too.im using a massive iron atm... :roll: but i think its hit something on the selector as it causin havoc with me sound so im gonna try my hand at repairin it then body modifyin.
ill keep you guys posted over th next week on how shes comin.just need a day off shite work! :evil:
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the differences will be due to craftsmanship and the fact that no two trees are every the exact same.
Hopefully you can sort your problems out.
are your MMs in the new guitar covered?
if so what? if theyre BC or gold and you decide you dont want them down the line i know someone after a bridge MM and im after a neck :D
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hahah man im actually lookin to trade them i think.....for a warpig bridge plus some cash maybe as they are a wee bit dearer and likely a different neck, open to suggestions on that.
so if you got a trade in mind im all ears.oh both are open coil balck pups.
um aye i really think my original jackson is better.it sounds fuller...maybe that new one is better but im more accustomed to mine :?
plus the neck is alot better....piranha fret marks are the shiz!! :twisted:
dunno ive just ordered a 500k vol pot and 2 250ktone pots so when i get it all sorted i can judge th sound better.
may put the x2n in the new J to see what that sounds like also.
who knows my ears mught just be wrong, but i like the arch top too which the new one doesnt have.fussy fussy fussy
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the arch top will also be another factor as to why its heavier :D
and as i said different craftsmanship
older jacksons are better anyway period.
Plus the older one the wood has had more time to erm do whatever it does that makes it resonate better
over age it gets better or something.
i dont have anything to trade really i was looking more to buy the neck one.
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damn right man, my old boy is still king :wink:
but i like th wee curve of the new one where your pickin arm rests...i can anchor better on the bridge and pick more accuratley an fast so im gonna sand down the old one to replicate that then re spray it. :D
um ill give it a think aboot sellin the neck pup though im sort of reluctant to do that as its sweet!!!!
ill see in a wee while man when i get them transfered ill let you know.
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Man, nothing chugs like a warpig. seriously!
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Man, nothing chugs like a warpig. seriously!
yes it does... a ceramic warpig ;)
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well i think the MM set is nice an bassy but i think its likely my amps dung...bah.thats more cash ill have to shell out.
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well i just swapped the pups into my older guitar and indeed a miracle has happened!!they are now the frickin brutes!! i mean the guitar is louder than when i had the x2n in it,more precise and heavy soundin!!! i mean im playin death riffs and its soundin more full on than they ever did....i wish chuck(r.i.p :cry: ) had of got his hands on a set of BKs.
well thanks for th replies guys, im not off aGAIN to sunday but im gonna strip all the electrics out and sand the old boy down and see what i can do with him.will post some piccies of the project...some b4 and after type of stuff.
whenever i get it done that is lol
still thee riddle of the weight difference bugs me but alas
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ahahah i want to Hear the unholy soundclips
Q:P
JP
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how much was your new jackson btw?
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Man, nothing chugs like a warpig. seriously!
yes it does... a ceramic warpig ;)
I think the AV one chugs better :P sounds somehow meatier and... ROARier
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well since i play through a busted ass flextone i dont know about sound clips but ill see what i can do. :twisted:
ugh the new J was 300 secound hand with a set of MM and a tremsetter installed(divebombin heaven :P )
but im very happy with th sound now...very happy.im gonna head to my mates house cuz hes got a 5150 that he doesnt play....yes i know but he wont sell it either....the mother**%%£$"!^££"^%£*^%
though im still gonna respray it replace the pots an also sand down the edge so its curved where your pickin arm rests.
then ill play lots more really bad renditions of metal
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well since i play through a busted ass flextone i dont know about sound clips but ill see what i can do. :twisted:
ugh the new J was 300 secound hand with a set of MM and a tremsetter installed(divebombin heaven :P )
but im very happy with th sound now...very happy.im gonna head to my mates house cuz hes got a 5150 that he doesnt play....yes i know but he wont sell it either....the mother**%%£$"!^££"^%£*^%
though im still gonna respray it replace the pots an also sand down the edge so its curved where your pickin arm rests.
then ill play lots more really bad renditions of metal
brilliant price. Keep us updated on all the work. and do your best to knock some clips up
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aye at that price i counldnt pass it up...its still a damn good guitar.like ill likely put a spare invader in it or the x2n with a vintage superdistortion and thatll sound great an sell it of 250 so with a bit of wheelin an dealin my MM set will only have cost me like 50quid or so.
not to shabby....but i may just keep it as i think ive got GAS..... :D
which is by th way my initals so i think it was my destiny to squander all my money on guitars :wink:
not my fault its fate....muh muh muh
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aye at that price i counldnt pass it up...its still a damn good guitar.like ill likely put a spare invader in it or the x2n with a vintage superdistortion and thatll sound great an sell it of 250 so with a bit of wheelin an dealin my MM set will only have cost me like 50quid or so.
not to shabby....but i may just keep it as i think ive got GAS..... :D
which is by th way my initals so i think it was my destiny to squander all my money on guitars :wink:
not my fate its fate....
hmmm if you do sell it let me know :D
what are specs of it?
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still thee riddle of the weight difference bugs me but alas
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my old basswood charvel is pretty heavy weight vise for a superstrat too. whereas the mahogany jackson is much lighter.
i think, in a reasonable weight range, where the guitar is a touch heavy, it's got the best sound
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i think, in a reasonable weight range, where the guitar is a touch heavy, it's got the best sound
aye id agree with that....i just presume that my older J is alder but i dont know since i got it 2nd hand 3yrs ago...which adds to its mystic :P but its seriously quality so im not to concerned anymore with the MM set in,devilry is afoot :wink:
no probs hategrowth as illl likely know if ill be sellin it within a week.its standard dkmg alder body...sounds quite bassey though! its got a dk2 neck so its thinner than my dkmg,but im not used to it so still prefer my old one.
its coil tapped too, i hear that both th invader and the x2n are great when tapped but ill have to see, the previous soldering jopb by th last owner wasnt good...i took tape off this ugly mess inside it an 3 wires broke away...maybe thats what was affectin th sound! :?
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whats the neck joint like? i know its bolt but is it a horrible joint that really badly hinders UFA
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whats the neck joint like? i know its bolt but is it a horrible joint that really badly hinders UFA
no way man its very good.clean an clear access all the way to the 24th fret...though i dont need it cuz i cant **widdly widdly** yet....ive only really started learnin scales an actually doin exercises lately....i was a casual guitar player....i knew a few riffs an that done me really cuz i just played bass in a gypsy rock band,not very challenging.
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but no its good,like my other J but with a thinner neck though the same sweet jackson scales so its great for dunetuned guitars i.e its tuned to c now an has good string tension with 48's.while my older J is in b standard with ernie ball heavy bottoms...10 -->52's and its taught a bright sounding for such a tuning...wasnt like that with my old emgs...sounded like mush