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Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Vision pedalboards on July 18, 2007, 08:22:38 PM

Title: Your opinions please (true bypass switchers)
Post by: Vision pedalboards on July 18, 2007, 08:22:38 PM
Hi everyone, just wondered what you all think of these http://www.loopersparadise.de/noahsarc.htm

I'm asking as i could possibly become the UK dealer for these but before i commit id like to know what people think of the product.

What do you all think of the functions you get for the money, prices would be something like..

3 button loops around £99
TBSW-1 -£199
PTBS-1 - £299


Any thoughts are welcome

Cheers

Mark
Title: Your opinions please (true bypass switchers)
Post by: noodleplugerine on July 18, 2007, 08:54:25 PM
Price seems a little dear, but if it does what it says it does then it seems like a very nice piece of kit - But very professional - I can't imagine anyone other than touring musicians or studios looking to buy them.
Title: Your opinions please (true bypass switchers)
Post by: indysmith on July 18, 2007, 09:09:06 PM
super-hideous rip-offs. i always see loopers and line selectors etc. and can't figure what makes them cost so much - surely they're just jacks and switches in a case...? I'd buy one if it was £20, jesus :roll:
Title: Your opinions please (true bypass switchers)
Post by: Colin Johnston on July 18, 2007, 09:42:09 PM
Quote from: indysmith
super-hideous rip-offs. i always see loopers and line selectors etc. and can't figure what makes them cost so much - surely they're just jacks and switches in a case...? I'd buy one if it was £20, jesus :roll:


I tend to agree.  These look good but expensive and too large IMHO.  I like the idea of including a buffer but it'd take up too much "real estate" on a pedal board along with your f/x.

IMHO this looks more interesting and would be something I'd consider buying.

(http://www.guitarplayer.com/Pictures/web/e/m/b/GJ7Q2637_nr.jpg)

(http://www.guitarplayer.com/Pictures/web/f/n/v/GJ7Q2638_nr.jpg)

http://www.guitarplayer.com/story.asp?sectioncode=6&storycode=18581
Title: Your opinions please (true bypass switchers)
Post by: HTH AMPS on July 18, 2007, 10:31:14 PM
looper pedals always seem expensive, but remember that someone has still got to take the time and effort to make the thing.  they're only ever going to be cheap when they're made in China/Taiwan where the workers get paid a pittance.

 :twisted:
Title: Your opinions please (true bypass switchers)
Post by: indysmith on July 18, 2007, 10:55:04 PM
surely they could be machine made?
Title: Your opinions please (true bypass switchers)
Post by: noodleplugerine on July 18, 2007, 10:56:27 PM
Quote from: Colin Johnston
Quote from: indysmith
super-hideous rip-offs. i always see loopers and line selectors etc. and can't figure what makes them cost so much - surely they're just jacks and switches in a case...? I'd buy one if it was £20, jesus :roll:


I tend to agree.  These look good but expensive and too large IMHO.  I like the idea of including a buffer but it'd take up too much "real estate" on a pedal board along with your f/x.

IMHO this looks more interesting and would be something I'd consider buying.

(http://www.guitarplayer.com/Pictures/web/e/m/b/GJ7Q2637_nr.jpg)

(http://www.guitarplayer.com/Pictures/web/f/n/v/GJ7Q2638_nr.jpg)

http://www.guitarplayer.com/story.asp?sectioncode=6&storycode=18581


Surely, having it done by a selector is gunna save you space since you'd be able to pretty much stack the pedals on top of each other, since you won't need to stomp them individually?
Title: Your opinions please (true bypass switchers)
Post by: indysmith on July 18, 2007, 10:58:28 PM
...how long do you think a stack of carefully balanced pedals will last on a stage though? lol
Title: Your opinions please (true bypass switchers)
Post by: 38thBeatle on July 18, 2007, 11:04:35 PM
I have a looper that I use every gig I play though I bought it 2nd hand for £25.00 on E-bay-it is a Loopmaster btw.
Title: Your opinions please (true bypass switchers)
Post by: noodleplugerine on July 19, 2007, 12:10:42 AM
Quote from: indysmith
...how long do you think a stack of carefully balanced pedals will last on a stage though? lol


I didn't mean literally - So much space is wasted on a pedal board due to the need for positioning in a certain way - Ie, so you can stomp it without turning on other pedals, or mucking up options.

Being able to clump them together so that they save space, as oppose to being practically positioned would give you more than enough space for one of those.
Title: Your opinions please (true bypass switchers)
Post by: hunter on July 19, 2007, 05:19:21 AM
For me it all depends on the quality. I mean a quality buffer will cost >100 EUR, so if a switcher with two loops and a buffer is 140, that's fair enough.

But I also had cheap relais switchers in the past that killed a lot of tone. The chain between guitar and amp is just very sensitive. The only neutral device I owned that is relais based is the Lehle switcher.

Other thing is that my ideal switcher would have some loops but the possibility to use each of the switches for amp switching purposes instead of looping tasks (maybe a small selector switch with each of them).
Title: Your opinions please (true bypass switchers)
Post by: jordan on July 19, 2007, 09:23:47 AM
They're a nice idea, but I kinda feel that people who'd go to the lengths to buy one, probably already bought true-bypass pedals in the first place, therefore negating the need for the looper :-)
Title: Your opinions please (true bypass switchers)
Post by: Catalyst77 on July 19, 2007, 11:07:55 AM
loopers and Buffers are the easiest things to build, for just a simply dual looper you could probably put it together for about £15 true bypass - you dont even need a circuit board.

Adding a buffer would prob only cost and extra £2.
Title: Your opinions please (true bypass switchers)
Post by: gingataff on July 19, 2007, 11:17:02 AM
Apparently you lose a lot of signal if you use more than 2 true bypass pedals in a row with no kind of buffer, I know the noahs'ark add buffers to all their loops. I haven't tried the looper but I do have 2 noahs'ark stomp boxes and while they're not completely boutique they do use good components they are very good value for the money (about 35quid in the shops).
Title: Your opinions please (true bypass switchers)
Post by: Catalyst77 on July 19, 2007, 05:14:43 PM
Loss of signal is a cummulative thing.

Anything that comes between your guitar and your amp will do that to a greater or lesser degree
Title: Your opinions please (true bypass switchers)
Post by: LazyNinja on July 20, 2007, 09:01:46 AM
Quote from: jordan
They're a nice idea, but I kinda feel that people who'd go to the lengths to buy one, probably already bought true-bypass pedals in the first place, therefore negating the need for the looper :-)


Yeah but it'd still be useful to be able to switch on say overdrive, delay and phaser all together by just pressing one button.

I wouldn't buy the one Vision listed but then I don't have a lot of pedals. I'd be more interested if soemone sold a simple looper for £15. I always think £30 or so they go for is a bit overpriced.
Title: Your opinions please (true bypass switchers)
Post by: JamesHealey on July 20, 2007, 10:06:22 AM
I have a wah pedal and a bad monkey over drive, don't need no true by-pass.. and if I really wanted to change it to true by-pass i'd just mod the wah pedal because they're the buggers that suck most of ya tone away.