Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: opprobrium_9 on August 08, 2007, 10:14:39 AM
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Well here it is, finally finished, and despite its building flaws - GORGEOUS!
Due to some promises made long ago, requests, and the urgings of some members these pics are finally going up, with explanations to boot.
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Before we go further i know you all want the specs:
630 mm scale length
Body Wood: Mahogany
Top Body Veneer: Quilted Maple (uh huh!)
Neck/Headstock Wood: Mahogany
Headstock Veneer: Quilted Maple (an off cut from the same piece)
Fingerboard Wood: Ebony
Control Cover wood (yeah, they aren't plastic :)): plywood with .5 mm laminations of mahogany on either side
Hardware: Firstly, everything is gold plated as you can see; Gotoh tuners, Gotoh licensed Floyd Rose, um i dunno who made my control knobs
Frets: Jumbo - .28 (???)
Thickness @ 1st fret: 19mm
Thickness @ 14th fret: 21.4mm
Pickups: VHII (neck), Nailbomb (bridge)
Pots: 500K Mexican production (forgot the company)
Inlays - Neck: Gold Mother of Pearl
Inlay - H/S: Black Tahiti Pearl
Engraving Paint filler: Silver Acrylic
Now moving on... I LOVE THIS GUITAR!!! It plays better than any damn guitar i have ever played! I will never be impressed going into a shop now, never be impressed sitting down with a stock guitar - this one crushes them all with a mighty wood fist! It feels great to hold too, and the surfaces are soooooo smooth that i literally can't keep my hands off of it (don't get any ideas guys :D). The Mahogany and Quilting could not be more goldeny, THEY JUST SHIMMER! The worst part about this whole experience was i struggled with tendinitis the entire time i was making it. It was very painful, especially using a chisel and stoning the frets :roll:. Other than that, this was one of the most fun experiences of my life! This is a product of my time @ Totnes School of Guitarmaking - of course this was my original design :P. And note too, that if anyone tries selling this design to that abomination of a guitar company B.C. Rich (or any company for that matter), i will... leave that to your boundless imaginations - i have my ways :twisted:.
NOW FOR MORE PICS!
Some headstock pics:
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The beauty itself!
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The back
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Truss Rod Cover
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Headstock Inlay
Some notes about the above:
The top of the headstock where you see that nice outline design took me about 10 hours all told, this is due to bad cutout skills, and the fact that it is a fvcking hard shape to get! The whole headstock shaping must have taken me well into the 30 hour range. Now this does not include the h/s inlay, that thing took me roughly 30 hours alone. If you consider the fact that it was my first time cutting pearl and using an engraving tool, it was a decent job, i suppose. However, if i had given it about another 10-15 hours it would have come out a lot better. The engraving must have taken me 11-12 of those 30. As noted above the veneer is an off-cut from my body veneer wood, and i couldn't be happier with the figure! Can anyone guess what the H/S inlay is of (who has brushed up on their Scandinavian artifacts lately?)? Just to let you know, you won't get a cookie if you guess right :P. I will give you a hint, it is one of the noblest of the bird family (if not the most noble), a carrion bird, in fact! Finally the truss rod cover! This is a cutout from the h/s veneer itself, so it is all the same beautiful wood! It is fastened on there with a magnet so it is flush with the surface, no screws here folks! We had to put a tiny bolt of some kind into the truss rod cavity at the top, which we fixed with araldite, so that the cover would not fly up and attach itself to the strings!
More pictures: Body
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I don't know that there is much to say about this part except HOLY shiteE! So stunning, at least, i think so. As already noted, the control covers were laminated with very thin veneer mahogany. They came out 100 times better than i expected. I guess here would be a good time to discuss my "paint job." It is one of sorts, but more like a protective coating. I just used epoxy, i have forgotten the exact stuff (of course i can always ask), but it was thick and strong. I coated, sanded, and then coated again and then used micro mesh up to 12000 grit (yes that is the right number) to get that beautiful sheen. The control covers were coated only once, because that is all i had time for. If i had the time i would have coated everything 5 maybe 6 times. That quilting just soaks the epoxy up and screams for more, i found myself constantly applying it to the quilting during the coating process. One other thing to note, that you may or may not have spotted, is that i beveled the edges on the body profile (both back and front), though they are harder to see on the front. Also you will notice the shaping of the body, i did this for two reasons: 1. - To lessen the weight and make it even more streamlined. 2. - on the right side, if one is facing the guitar, you will see my adaptation of a cutaway. Like so may V's out there, there is altogether WAY TOO MUCH material around the higher frets, making access to them nigh impossible, or very uncomfortable. This "cutaway" of sorts eliminates that problem, if i were to do this again however, i would have put it 5-10 mm lower than it currently is.
More pics: The Neck
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My, if i do say so myself, beautiful (though somewhat flawed) fingerboard inlays
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My custom designed heal
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Side fret markers
Well, this is one thing i thought i would never finish, but did, fortunately. The neck plays beautifully, it is a very understated "D" shape, if you ever had a fast neck, you haven't felt this one, LET ME TELL YOU! O the neck is lovely, but moving on. The heal is heaven, i mean this is THE BEST "all access" heal i have ever felt for a set neck model. It was an idea of mine because i really wanted to get up on the 22nd-24th frets with ease (hello screeching dissonance!). So what i did was to plane a 3mm decline, thus making the thickness far less - it is amazing how such a little amount of wood taken off makes all the difference in the world. Not only this but i rounded it off on both sides so it tapers in, i can literally cup it in the palm of my hand, it is that good! Never thought i could get it with a set neck, but i did! :o
Here are the figures for my relief in the frets:
Low E: 0.15 bigger, A: 0.15 smaller, D: 0.1 bigger, G: 0.1 smaller, B: 0.05, High E: 0.03ish
Relief in fingerboard is as follows:
Low E and A: .1, D and G: .05, B and High E: 0.0
Other things to note are the side fret markers, all Gold MOP. This is one of the things i am most unhappy about with my guitar, they are very inaccurately placed so they are at different heights, looks like shite to me. Another thing that i don't like about them is that after sanding they gold started to wear away (which is only natural) considerably, so they now look more like White MOP. Anyways, those complaints are negligible, i suppose. The fingerboard inlays are, despite some gaps from sanding (minor - but to me MAJOR), beautiful! All Gold MOP, the whole process of clearing out the wood in the ebony, cutting them out and fitting them must have taken a good 18 hours, if not more. Can anybody read what it says? It is not english, i can tell you that. Anybody brushed up on their Elder Futhark lately? Well i will just give this one to you free, it says "I R M I N S U L", that would be Irminsul (Incidentally, this is the name of my guitar) with similar name etymology to Yggradsil the Norse variant.
This is known, as the tree of life that connects heaven and earth, ergo the eagle (o well, i gave it away) at the top of the tree representing the utmost of wisdom and knowledge. The Saxons or peoples inhabiting Northern Saxony at the time, when they were still a continental "tribe" would worship this tree on sacred days; they would strip down a massive tree and erect it has a holy worship place. The christians (I.E. - Charlemagne), when coming in to convert and debauch found 1 if not more of these holy trees, or posts, around several places in northwestern Europe and promptly cut them down afterwards to dissolve the symbological worth of the people's physical pagan monuments.
And finally, here is one last one of my custom case:
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b321/chaosreaper101/25_-_Finished.jpg)
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see, i said it was probably better than my firt one and it bloody well is!!! there are a lot of brave choices made on that guitar for saying it is your first.
Just to be uber-critical in a constructive kind of way :wink:
I am not sure the design of the body works aesthetically (obviously personal taste))
I dont like gold hardware (again..personal taste)
I think the trem cover edges give away its plywood origins and should have been recessed or bound (being very picky there)
The fact the string bar sticks ut over the headstock edges takes away from the shaping you have done in that area - and i quite like the headstock shape
finally - it would look killer in a green slimeburst kind of finish!!
thx for posting it!
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That is GORGEOUS!! Congratulations dude!!
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Looks amazing, great job :)
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see, i said it was probably better than my firt one and it bloody well is!!! there are a lot of brave choices made on that guitar for saying it is your first.
Just to be uber-critical in a constructive kind of way :wink:
I am not sure the design of the body works aesthetically (obviously personal taste))
I dont like gold hardware (again..personal taste)
I think the trem cover edges give away its plywood origins and should have been recessed or bound (being very picky there)
The fact the string bar sticks ut over the headstock edges takes away from the shaping you have done in that area - and i quite like the headstock shape
finally - it would look killer in a green slimeburst kind of finish!!
thx for posting it!
I am quite pleased with the design of the body, it took a while for me to figure out what i wanted to do with it. I know i wanted it to be a V, but i didn't want it to be the same ol' stuff, and i wanted to put a bit of my artistic fervor into the design (and this is very noticeable when i paint - the guitar design is very "me"). But yes, it is personal taste after all, then again, what isn't?
I do quite like the gold hardware myself, but black chrome might have looked nice as well, it is hard to say. But, in any case, it matches the f/b inlays.
I was actually gonna recess the trem cover. To my disappointment it would have been very complicated to do, well more of a hassel really. The logistics worked against a recessed cover's favor unfortunately, but i am still quite happy with the result. I am never gonna sell this to anybody so i am not worried about the visual appeal or disgust (in all it intensities) that my guitar inspires, really the only one that has to like everything, or at least appreciate everything about it is me.
And i do also agree with you about the string bar, but this was one of the last things i put on my guitar, so it was well after the fact, and it is something i am just gonna have to live with i suppose. I don't mind it terribly. Another thing about it is that it is not perfectly centered; however, i think this is due to a misproduction at the factory, because when looking at it closely it appears as if one side (after the screwhole) is longer than the other. Another unfortunate thing i have no control over, o well.
And that slimeburst finish idea, well that is another one of those person choice things i think... because honestly, i couldn't think of anything worse on my instrument :lol: No offense to your tastes. :wink:
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wicked!
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I dont like the shape of anything on it really, but it does look well put together especially as a first build!
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thats my point really... if the only things you can really fault on a guitar all come down to personal taste then there cant be much worng with the guitar can there!!
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Great idea for the 'cutaway'! I was thinking of doing that to my old V and seeing what happens. wouldn't look as good as yours though 8)
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Looks great!
You use it for blues, right? ;)
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thats my point really... if the only things you can really fault on a guitar all come down to personal taste then there cant be much worng with the guitar can there!!
i agree!
that thing is badass, basically. Normally, I'm not fussed on gold hardware or "out-there" shapes, but on that one it just works! Nice idea with the magnet truss-rod cover too! And the cutaway is sweet. Only thing i'm not too fussed on, as already mentioned, is the string retainer bar. But for a first build, it's absolutely awesome!
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wow man! You did a great job, not my style, but I love the nexk join, it just looks beautiful....can I say that?
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Looks great!
You use it for blues, right? ;)
ggaghaahaha obviously :lol: :lol:
thats a brooootul guitar, i usually dont like v's or gold, but i still think thats a killer axe!!
that school looks like it did th job for you man
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And that slimeburst finish idea, well that is another one of those person choice things i think... because honestly, i couldn't think of anything worse on my instrument :lol: No offense to your tastes. :wink:
it would look great in that case though!!!
TBH i am not the slime green kind of person but i have been asked for quotes on green v's a few times and the idea has grown in my head
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Thanks for the positive, if somewhat mixed messaged, responses! And yes futuregun, that course really did it for me, i am now officially a guitar maniac - i can't get enough! I can't wait until i build my next one. I usually don't like gold hardware either, tends to look a little garish, but i felt inspired somehow with this guitar and i think that effect turned out well!
On another note, Wez or any of the other professional and not so professional builders here, i would like to ask a building question (sort of). I have been giving it more thought about the hold down bar, i just kind of got over it, but now the comments have brought it back into the light for me. How would i go about correcting this problem... obviously there is nothing i can do or undo to the guitar at this point, nor do i intend to; but, could i just saw down the ends do you think? or would that be a little drastic? Gotoh, unfortunately, does not make their products to custom size, and has very little variation within their product line of FR's, so even with my plans drawn up in the first week, i couldn't have gotten it ahead of time or at all. Because of this debility, i really had no say in the matter, and given your statement previously Wez, it sounds as if maybe there was something i could do about it? If this is true i would be all up for that, it is just a question of how drastic it would be to correct it i guess.
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sawing it down would obviously leave un-plated ends that would be even worse.
I wouldnt say its something to worry about on this one, its very minor - more something to make sure you correct on the next one... there is always a next one!!
other than that you could look into whether different size bars are available or creating one out out of somehing else.
try not to take my critique in a negative way because it really wasnt meant that way - this is an amazing guitar!!! Just a bad habit of mine :wink: thats my teacher side and since i am in the middle of a 6 week beak from telling the kids what they should do to improve it all spills out here. You should see how critical i get about my own stuff!!!!!
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$%&# :o - thats great! I'm very impressed. Grand job.
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Very impressive - I'm gunna have to look into getting a guitar of my own built one day =)
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stunning guitar! congratulations, hard to believe it's your first attempt!
as Wez said, i think the only thing anyone could complain about would be personal taste, i think it looks fantastic myself, and as you said yourself, it's unique. no one else has one like it!
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Quite impressive for a first build. But maybe you should leave the inlay work to a real artist with computerized machinery that is more accurate than the human hand. (Very expensive stuff)
I recently had this T-cover made by this guy:
http://www.sharkinlay.com/
(http://www.sharkinlay.com/photos/tcovers/straycatssmall.jpg)
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CNC is cheating!!!
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just to echo what wez said, that truss rod cover is extremely minor. I wouldn't have a notion about where to even start a build...
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I think it looks fantastic, well done! :D
One thing I always wonder about with you guys who build from scratch - did you have access to a huge array of tools? I'd love to have a go at building a guitar (if I had the time), but it must be bloody hard work if all you have is a typical domestic toolbox. On the other hand, all those labour-saving devices like bandsaws, fret-slotting guides, radiused sanding blocks, fret files etc represent a serious financial outlay.
What would you say are the essential guitar-making tools :?:
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@ Ratrod: i mean, i am an artist, i have done sculpture, i paint, i draw with intensive detail. Without elevating myself, which i hate, i have been praised for my natural talent at art all my life, and usually excel at any sub-field in that huge spectrum - this is just a general fact, i am not trying to win any awards in anyone's eyes. If you have ever used an engraving tool you would understand how incredibly difficult it is to use, this is not even close to drawing, the accuracy and concentration involved can take a lifetime if not more to perfect. This was my first attempt at doing anything like that. 11ish hours just for the engraving was rushing for me. Also note that it is a very blurry picture, i couldn't get it to focus too well. Well at least someone mentions the inlay, bout bloody time.
EDIT: Personally, i thought the inlay was one of the other things that was total shite on my guitar, but good enough for a first try i suppose. There are so many things i am unhappy with on this instrument, but when i step back and look at the whole i just sit there and say to myself: "I MADE THIS?"
@ Phil: yeah i did have access to a bunch of tools, and there are some things that are far more essential than others.
Planes: Block Planes, Scr@per planes, Rebating planes, the list goes on
Chisels (preferably in a number of sizes)
Gouges
CLAMPS CLAMPS AND MORE CLAMPS: different sizes, different types (wood and metal)
Lots of spare ply
there are more, but yes it is a huge expenditure. For instance my friend got a block plane and it was 300 or something insane like that. Band saws seem to be almost essential if you want to save yourself time in the cutting process. However, i only used the bandsaw once, and that was to cut out the ROUGH shape of my body. Saved ages. As well as the fret saw/slotting guide, that saves SO much time, and is far more accurate then by hand. Aside from the major ones, there are sooo many little things that even if they aren't REALLY needed, they just get the job done that much faster.
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all the tools just make it quicker and easier. I started with nothing but brought basic woodwork tools, a router and a bench drill and sawed my first body out by hand. I would recommend a small bandsaw a decent router and a good pillar drill + basic word-working tools for someone thinking about starting. all the fretting tools represent a large outlay but most can be made or you can buy ready slotted and radiused boards to save tool money on the first few builds. It someitmes takes a bit of ingenuity to work out how you are gonna do something with the bare minimum of tools but thats part of the fun
but obviously what you really need is a very expensive CNC machine to cut those perfect inlays :P
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but obviously what you really need is a very expensive CNC machine to cut those perfect inlays :P
Yeah, I was thinking of that as the starting point... :wink:
Thanks for the info, guys. I already have my (trusty and much-used) router and a slightly wobbly pillar drill, plus a few StewMac gadgets, but I figured a bandsaw (and maybe some kind of sanding drums?) would be fairly essential. I did once totally re-shape and contour an old Fender Bronco body using my router and an assortment of hand tools, so that was almost a bit of building from scratch; it was hard work. I wouldn't be at all confident about shaping a neck, but my "do everything very very slowly and carefully" approach usually works. Eventually.
I suppose, in a way, build-your-own GAS is more healthy than regular GAS. At least you can't rush into it.
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Very nice, it does scream out for body binding though - it looks kind of naked at the minute.
Go on, binding! binding! binding! binding! binding! binding! binding! :lol:
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That is an amazing piece of work. Clearly not Blues Twinfan-this is a country guitar if ever I saw one...seriously, great job!
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IOne thing I always wonder about with you guys who build from scratch - did you have access to a huge array of tools?
Pretty much all the tools used were common or garden wood working tools. There certyainly weren't any radiused sanding blocks, just a 2" x 6" block of 6mm birch ply with 150Grit sanding paper stuck to it.
Off the top of my head, on the course the only specific guitar making tools used were a fret slotting jig from www.necx-products.co.uk, fret files, and nut files.
It still costs a fair bit to put together a fully workign tool box (I'm currently costing mine and it's far from cheap) but using a minimal number of specialist tools does keep some costs down :)
*Rahnooo*
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You should see how critical i get about my own stuff!!!!!
HA!! Well me too! At the end of (and probably well towards the beginning) everyone on the course was fed up with the complaints i made about how much my guitar sucked - especially the inlay :roll:
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i want one!!!
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It is not my cup of tea in the shape but I think it looks like an incredible job for a first guitar. The neck joint looks really nice. Did you profile the neck to suit your hand?
When you say custom case, did you make the case as well?
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Reading this from the slow computer at work...
At first I thought: "WTF, this guy is arrogant..."
Then the pictures loaded.
Sweet, sweet stuff, man! :) As people have said, personal taste is the single biggest gripe - so that is praise indeed! I wouldn't know where to start building a guitar, let alone something so beautiful as that.
A really enjoyable read, and, I'm sure, a really enjoyable play too :)
Cracking stuff, keep it up!
Roo
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Yeah, I was thinking of that as the starting point... :wink:
Thanks for the info, guys. I already have my (trusty and much-used) router and a slightly wobbly pillar drill, plus a few StewMac gadgets, but I figured a bandsaw (and maybe some kind of sanding drums?) would be fairly essential. I did once totally re-shape and contour an old Fender Bronco body using my router and an assortment of hand tools, so that was almost a bit of building from scratch; it was hard work. I wouldn't be at all confident about shaping a neck, but my "do everything very very slowly and carefully" approach usually works. Eventually.
I suppose, in a way, build-your-own GAS is more healthy than regular GAS. At least you can't rush into it.
i have a screwdriver (ratcheted! :lol: ) and some wire cutters. I think i'll hold off on building a guitar for the moment...
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i have a screwdriver (ratcheted! :lol: ) and some wire cutters. I think i'll hold off on building a guitar for the moment...
I can loan you a cheese grater if that will help.
Although the guitar is not my thing, I like it it's mad in a good way.
Congrats on a successful build (wonders what number 2 will be like)
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I can loan you a cheese grater if that will help.
Is it a curved one? You could use it to make the cutaway on the back of a Strat - if you were at a loose end for, oh, 6 or 7 months.
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if its a microplane cheese grater then you could use it for carving necks. Microplane also make rasps and i am often tempted to use them as cheese graters
http://store.microplaneintl.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=mpi&Category_Code=Classic
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if its a microplane cheese grater then you could use it for carving necks. Microplane also make rasps and i am often tempted to use them as cheese graters
http://store.microplaneintl.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=mpi&Category_Code=Classic
So thats what happened to Gordon Ramsey, and I always thought he had went ducking for chips at halloween
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@ Ratrod: i mean, i am an artist, i have done sculpture, i paint, i draw with intensive detail. Without elevating myself, which i hate, i have been praised for my natural talent at art all my life, and usually excel at any sub-field in that huge spectrum - this is just a general fact, i am not trying to win any awards in anyone's eyes. If you have ever used an engraving tool you would understand how incredibly difficult it is to use, this is not even close to drawing, the accuracy and concentration involved can take a lifetime if not more to perfect. This was my first attempt at doing anything like that. 11ish hours just for the engraving was rushing for me. Also note that it is a very blurry picture, i couldn't get it to focus too well. Well at least someone mentions the inlay, bout bloody time.
I didn't mean to dis your work in any way. And not everyone with the best CAM machines can call himself an artist. Even with the best machines it's still very hard to make a superb quality inlay. It takes years of practice and a lot of precision handywork. Plus your own creativity. Fact is those machines can cut with greater accuracy. The human hand moves 1/300 of an inch either way when your heart beats.
You should be very proud of yourself. Not many people can say they built their own guitar entirely from scratch. And really, for a firts attempt, everything home grown, the result is stunning!
If you make guitar building your business, your customers will demand a flawless guitar. I always say: "If someone can do it better and cheaper than me, let that someone do it."
A nice example is OCC (yes, that one). First they outsourced alot of their stuff. Later, as business got better, they invested in machines, skills and know-how. Now they only outsource the paint. I think that is the best way to go.
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A nice example is OCC (yes, that one). First they outsourced alot of their stuff. Later, as business got better, they invested in machines, skills and know-how. Now they only outsource the paint. I think that is the best way to go.
OCC? :?
(I assume it's not Oxfordshire County Council)
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Hey, thanks again to everyone who said nice things about it, or really said anything about it. I cannot wait to build my next one, but due to student time constraints i dunno when that will be 1 - 1 1/2 years? :evil: In any case, it being my first and me being the perfectionist that i am (much to the chagrin of my other classmates) i hated just about every piece of work on it, especially in the moment. Once getting the finished product, though, much of that irritation with, what i consider to be, my less than good (or even down right bad, in some cases) level of craftsmanship subsided, and i really saw the instrument for what it was. I know i can do it much better next time, but i am sure i will make many mistakes even still. I think before i ever consider selling, i am gonna make myself a couple more (JCD you are gonna have to wait :wink:), so i know that they won't kill my buisness right when it starts.
also, philking, no the case was not made my myself, i did not have time to learn how to do that. That would be a great thing to learn however.
Anyways, thanks again all.
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Orange County Choppers. Regularly on the Discovery channel.
Long post, that last one of mine, wasn't it? Sorry, I think my brain is a bit hyperactive these days.
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oh, i already have a cheese grater...
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