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At The Back => Time Out => Topic started by: wintersun on August 09, 2007, 09:02:42 PM
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Hi everyone! Does anyone of you have any singing experience? I'm practicing for few years now and I really can't get that raspy Bruce Dickinson voice... whenever I try to do it I only hurt my voice... Just how does he, or any heavy metal singer do it?
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From what I've been told by those who have had training, you need to breath very deep and make sure the power in the voice is coming from just above your stomach, not your throat. If you force the power from your throat, you might not be doing your vocal chords any favours in the long run.
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I have this DVD, it's just awesome!!
http://www.zenofscreaming.com/
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Ask this person:
http://www.myspace.com/littleblitzkrieg
PJ is a fantastic singer and a gifted vocal coach.
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Yes, I heard a lot about breathing... and yes, I'll get that damn DVD (and scream like a deamon) and contact PJ! Man, I'll contact even Bruce Dickinson himself (yeah right...) :D Thanks guys :)
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I wrote up a massive guide on singing, complete with warm ups/vocal exercises on another forum, and have promptly lost my copy. Drat.
Breathe from your diaphragm, fill your lungs from the bottom of your tummy, practice scales and arpeggios. And warm up dammit.
Possibly see a singing teacher, or do what I have done, make a grade 8 classical singer move in with you. I love my girlfriend and her free singing lessons :D
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:D If it was a case of practice & Technique that would enable us to sing like Bruce Dickinson we`d all be doing it ! So why arn`t we ?
How comes Bonn Scott doesn`t sing like Dickinson ?
Singing isn`t about talent. Its about biology......Do you have a vocal chord structure than can produce a "singing" voice ?
The Operatic style of Halford, Mercury, Dickinson & Tate to name a few is about projection, you`ll also need to have a good falsetto as well. BUT remember you wont sound like any of the above. You`ll sound like you but with a projected operatic style voice & only then if you`ve got a resonable singing voice to start with.
:D 8)
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Alright, now thats about 10th time I've heard about "breathing" in last 2 days! But no one seems to give me the ultimate answer: is breathing what makes the voice sound heavy, raspy, growly, etc..?? Or is it something else (throat maybe?)
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I'm a singer...
I've had lessons with a Jazz teacher about singing properly, never got around to the theory of getting high notes and wailing like LaBrie / Dickinson etc, but aboput growling and screaming (Lamb of God etc).... definitely dig deep from your gut. I actually have no idea how I'm doing it, but I do "feel" like it's coming from the diaphragm, and the actual raspyness is coming from several places. I try to use as much of my "piping" as possible, as making all the effort from your throat alone will mess you up. Jesse from Killswitch Engage (he was their first singer) actually BROKE his voice by screaming so hard. I believe this is because it was all created in his throat.
Even when screaming I try and produce it also as a "head voice" where you are projecting your sound from the diaphragm and if you can imagine it like a laser pointer, aiming the flow up your system and through the roof of your mouth, through the top of your head rather than concentrating it on coming out of your mouth. It's hard to explain without being face to face, but my jazz teacher made me understand it really well.
It's definitely a good idea to talk to a classical / operatic / Jazz vocal coach just to get at least the theory down, because a lot of it applies to screaming too in my book.
That's the "science" part, but now for my own personal input. FEEL it.
I'm talking dig deep in your mind, bring out your most primal beast. If you have to think of something that pisses you off beyond all reason then do it. There's nothing worse than someone trying to scream if you can't "feel" it. really build up a rage and then just let it loose in a maelstrom of audible anger. That's the secret ingredient. The science is nothing without the soul. :wink:
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Hate to be the bearer of bad news but the rasping sound comes from poor technique that will eventually rob you of voice and soul!
The rasping sound you get is when your vocal chords rub together while exhaling. Depending on the thickness and the length of chords this may or may not come naturally.
If you can't get it, chances are you never will.
Although it sounds great, It's what has caused people like David Coverdale to have his vocal chords scr@ped. The pressure put on the the vocal chords by focing from the throat rather than the diaphragm can lead to nodes, which will make it impossible to sing through cleanly from the chest into the head (as some people call it).
Proper singer technique requires you to force the pressure downward rather than outward as you progress up the registor- thats why no opera singers sound like AXEL Rose.
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Thank you all for helping :) You were all most helpful. Manny people recommended me the Zen Of Screaming, so i think I will go for it.
And btw TwilightOdyssey, I'm still waiting for PJ to answer me, hehe