Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: paulburns1984 on August 20, 2007, 11:24:10 PM
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I am still undecided on a new amp and am really confused - basically i want a versatile amp, possible two channels - one for clean and one for dirty - with nice cleans but can also do the heavy stuff - nothing too heavy i am not into chuggy metal at all but i do like post hardcore type metal. My favourite tones are Fightstar (but alas not enough money for a triple rec), Slash's leads as well as rhythms.
I want an amp that can give me the rhythm as in this, this is definitely the most important tone i'd like to emulate - i want that growl :
http://www.roccaforteamps.com/sound...combo_heavy.mp3
I have the same pickups as this clip so shouldn't be too hard with the right amp
Other tones I like -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9xYMqVUzNQ Fightstar - 99
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HblFoIaS000 Used - I caught Fire
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqWEkam9H4w Sigur Ros - The Nothing Song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3IqXwWB_4I Fightstar - We apologise for Nothing
For the cleans think -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfPvDrC4l1o Fightstar - mono
Just very smooth mellow clean
As I said my guitar has the Steve Steven's Rebel Yell BKP pups in it - can't remember exact but their DC is hot PAF around 8k for neck and 14k for bridge I think
Mahogany body and neck with Rosewood fretboard - set neck - tune-o-matic bridge with coil tapping (so versatility there) - so basically very les paul like but not as heavy
Probably anything up to around 800GBP is my budget
I tried to give you guys all the info I could to help advise me on this if you need ny other info just ask - help much appreciated from a very confused guitarist.
I would also like it to have a master volume so i can practice at bedroom levels with it as well.
And I am still undecided between my preference for modern american voicing amp or a vintge british voiced amp, so maybe one possible of doing both.
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oh btw, i originally posted this on another forum and reposted it here if some of my wording doesn't make much sense - needless to say I didn't get much useful help on the other forum, UG, which really seems to be going down the cr@pper recently ;)
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you should get a used amp within your £800 budget, try...
* Engl Powerball
* Peavey 5150+
* Boogie Single Recto (might get lucky on price)
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There's a Mark IV on ebay I spotted recently. It's only at £400 and there's no reserve. You might get lucky on it. It'll do everything very nicely.
Other amps:
VH100R :twisted:
F50
Power/Fireball
JVM
6505+
Triple XXX
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thanks for the advice so far guys, just a note I don't think I particular want a metal amp as I like nice cleans as well.
And sorry since I posted a lot of clips up there than might take a while to check out, the two most important ones are these two - if i can can get an amp that does these two tones I woul be extremely happy?
Clean - http://www.tamos.net/~rbriggs/orange/rockerverb_clean.mp3
How awesome is that tone?!
Dirty - The SS RY Clip tone -
http://www.roccaforteamps.com/sounds/steve_stevens_18w_combo_heavy.mp3
They are teh best two guitar tones I've ever heard and are totally what I'm after.
Plus I don't necessarily have to spend my whole budget lol
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Well, Fightstar use Peavey 5150's (or at least charlie does), so for that I'd recommend an ENGL because you then get the awesome clean sound too. I have a Fireball and I can nail Charlies sound (EMG's help) plus at the click of a button I have all the clean goodness I would want. ENGL's have better clean channels than many low-gain amps I've heard. My Dad owns a Fender Blues Junior and he's pretty envious of the sound I get from the FB. The Fireball is pretty damn all-out-modern-metal sounding on the 'Ultra Gain' channel though. I would imagine that with your pickups it wouldn't be so 'metal' sounding. Maybe check out the ENGL Thunder as that has more variation in sounds from very sparkly clean to blues rock to all-out metal mayhem. I had one and loved it but I just wanted the Fireball as I mainly play Melodic Death Metal-esque stuff, so something even tighter was needed. But in my opinion ENGL beats everything in the price catagory. RRP on the Thunder is about £550 (comes in head and combo versions) from www.thomann.de and the Fireball is £700. I got both for around £200 less than those prices on ebay. HTH, James
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anything ENGL will sort you out...
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ummm, Charlie uses a Mesa Boogie Triple Rec... where did the Peavey suggestion come from?
I am a bit nervous about these 'modern metal' amps since I really do want the nice cleans like in the orange rockerverb clip - as well as the vintage rock sound of GnR
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There really aren't any other amps I've tried that have the Roccaforte's unique tonal structure.
As for versatility in a 2 channel amp, you might want to look into a Rivera Knucklehead. Exceptional tone and loads of versatility!!
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Thanks for the help - If I can get them two tones i showed earlier I'll be happy as larry, it'll be a shame if rocafortes are the only amps that can do that - also a shame that so many boutique amps seem to have a lack of versatility as I do want to be able to go from the nice cleans to the dirty at the flick of a footswitch.
As said I am a bit weary of these high-gain amps since It's not really me.
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marshall 30th anniversary. I just tweaked mine around and i can nail ALL of those sounds.
To reproduce that roccaforte clip, i needed to put my maxon in though. I run my puppy pretty quiet so it keeps a fairly loose attack, need to juice the volume for more tightness :)
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To reproduce that roccaforte clip, i needed to put my maxon in though. I run my puppy pretty quiet so it keeps a fairly loose attack, need to juice the volume for more tightness :)
With all due respect, there is NO WAY a Marshall with a Maxon OD can even come close to, let alone nail, Roccaforte's tone. I don't care for Doug Roccaforte as a person (long story), but his amps are absolute killers. There are 4 Roccaforte amps in my rehearsal studio, and I know the tone intimately, as I often switch between a Diezel VH-4 or Roccaforte High Gain 80 at rehearsal.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v723/TwilightOdyssey/WallOAmps.jpg)
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roccaforte would be a great option if not for the fact that I'm from the UK and wont be able to get one over here :(
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roccaforte would be a great option if not for the fact that I'm from the UK and wont be able to get one over here :(
Yeah, I'm certainly not saying it's a feasible option! PDT_008
Seriously, look into the Rivera. I think you will be pleasantly suprised.
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v723/TwilightOdyssey/WallOAmps.jpg)
That looks like heaven!
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That looks like heaven!
That's just 1/2 of the room!! There's another stack just like it on the other side, and both side walls are lined with boutique combos.
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roccaforte would be a great option if not for the fact that I'm from the UK and wont be able to get one over here :(
Yeah, I'm certainly not saying it's a feasible option! PDT_008
Seriously, look into the Rivera. I think you will be pleasantly suprised.
The rivera seems to be quite the metally amp tho?
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The rivera seems to be quite the metally amp tho?
That's the way it's being marketed right now, unfortunately.
I would suggest finding an older KH100: 2 channels, no reverb. It's a stunner!
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That looks like heaven!
That's just 1/2 of the room!! There's another stack just like it on the other side, and both side walls are lined with boutique combos.
Damn...
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ummm, Charlie uses a Mesa Boogie Triple Rec... where did the Peavey suggestion come from?
I am a bit nervous about these 'modern metal' amps since I really do want the nice cleans like in the orange rockerverb clip - as well as the vintage rock sound of GnR
Nope, maybe now, but certainly for Grand Unification he used a 5150 and a Diezel VH4, I have an interview with him from Guitar Buyer in which he talks about his gear.
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v723/TwilightOdyssey/WallOAmps.jpg)
That looks like heaven!
That looks like...debt :(
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I think I should book a trip to NYC if only to jam on all those amps! PDT_038
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I think I should book a trip to NYC if only to jam on all those amps! PDT_038
Do it!!!!
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I have a Rivera Knucklehead
VASTLY underrated amps imo (i.e. NOT the 'flavor of the month' with the who's who of gear whores) but omg it's a KILLER amp.
Fender cleans to slipknot downtuned madness!
And built like a sherman tank!!!!!!!!
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j279/DakineTX/DSC01080.jpg)
btw, as you can see I had a single rectum and an ENGL and it SLAYS both in EVERY respect!
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I think I've said it before but I'll say it again, that tele is so ****ing awsome man 8)
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Knuckleheads are brutally good amps.
I've been suprised by every Rivera I've played/heard.
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i need to try one of those rivera heads, I've only tried the pubster/chubster (whichever one it was), it was nice, but more of a combo-type feel (obviously enough).
I don't buy into that flavour of the month lark either...
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are rivera knuckleheads available over here?
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you can get one through
http://www.machinehead.co.uk
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there doesn't ppear to be one on that site ... how much are we talking here anyway 150GBP?!!! I said earlier my budget is more around 800 i'm afraid but from the vids I've seen I do LOVE this amp, do think reivera are advertising it wrong though, it seems can do anything and isn't just a metal monster.