Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: hunter on August 31, 2007, 12:32:10 PM
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It's for real, this might be an awesome product !!!!
http://bx.line6.com/spidervalve/movies.html
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SWEET!
will cost mucho £ though
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Whoah! This could be quality, i've always wanted Line 6 to bring out a Valve amp.
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SWEET!
will cost mucho £ though
Guitarist say 1x12 40W Combo 550 GBP, 2x12 680 GBP, the 100W Head for 645 GBP.
Reasonable I'd say for anything with the Bogner plate on it.
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Very interesting, although I'm surprised they've done this with the Spider range rather than Vetta.
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SWEET!
will cost mucho £ though
Guitarist say 1x12 40W Combo 550 GBP, 2x12 680 GBP, the 100W Head for 645 GBP.
Reasonable I'd say for anything with the Bogner plate on it.
That is damn cheap for a Bogner name on it, i thought we would be talking at least 800+
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There has been lots of hype surrounding this release - lots of 'beginning is near' stuff and "leaked" videos.
I am sure it will sound pretty damn good but by the time they released the spec list i was a little disappointed. I had imagined some completely new technology that might actually be able to combine valve and modelling technology in one - all it actually does is have the built in modeller before the valve amp. Specially voiced and all that but not the 'beginning' i was hoping for!
the way i see neither modelling or valve amps are perfect. What i was hoping for was a valve amp that used modelling technology to overcome the flaws of a valve amp, as well as having all the effects and voices a modelling system gives.
I.e. have each stage of the amp supplemented by modelling technology. Imagine having an amp that turned up full giving classic power amp distortion– but then turning it down and the modelling kicking into gear to maintain that sound at lower volumes. Having the option to turn this off if you wanted as well
I also would have like to see the effects integrated better with the option of having them before or after the pre-amp.
Maybe having the tubes cold-biased to last longer and be more reliable with the modelling making up for the difference in tone this would give.
Maybe having 2 or 3 different types of preamp valve, supported by the modelling technology, that are switched between when you switch amp modes.
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That's gorgeous!
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The reason why Line 6 have included this on the Spider range is that if it cans (which is possible - it's priced too high for a 'low end' amp), they can wipe the slate clean of the Spider name. If it is a success, they will probably release valve versions of most of their products.
Wez - your idea for a valve meets modelling amp is good, wonder if anyone will ever do it!
Andy!
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Why haven't they put in any Bogner models ?
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Wez - your idea for a valve meets modelling amp is good, wonder if anyone will ever do it!
I am not even sure if it is a good idea or not - but if it was possible it would at last be a significant move forward in amp design.
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Hopefully they have produces something reliable that they can build a rahge upon.
Do too much at the start and it will be too different for most guitarists.
I'd like to know if you can turn off their amp moddeling and use it as a regular amp. I also hope that they allow more flexability with settung your FX than the regular spiders do
However they do look interesting and hopefully Mr Bogner has helped them produce a monster (in the good sense). I may not like their amp moddeling but they do deserve credit for trying.
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From what they're saying in the videos on the Line6 website, it's a full Spider preamp run into a typical valve output stage.
I like the way the guy in the video goes on about not using any 'tube tricks of the trade' then goes on to be really vague about what part the first 12AX7s plays in the amp :roll:
That first 12AX7 MUST be a matching stage to allow enough voltage into the PI (second 12AX7) to drive the valve output stage properly.
So, if you take the line-out from a normal Spider amp and run it into a valve power amp (or effects return of a 'full' valve amp) you'll have pretty much the same thing.
I know that all sounds like I'm cynical about it, but I do actually like the Spider range of amps - they're great value and the valve output stage will likely fix the major problem the amp had (lack of valve midrange crunch)
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I know that all sounds like I'm cynical about it, but I do actually like the Spider range of amps - they're great value and the valve output stage will likely fix the major problem the amp had (lack of valve midrange crunch)
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I got the impression that the line6 gubbins simply replaced the tone stack, but apart from that it was a normal valve amp. However I was listening in a noisy office while trying to appear like I was working.
Also what they may count as the tonestack may be open to debate
Well I had the original spider that did clean or uber metal (and nothing in the middle), though everybody tells me that the new nones are considerably better.
Somehow I wish that they had simply released a Bogner designed valve amp and had an s/pdif interface to plug a Pod into. If the amp specs where pitched right they would sell like hotcakes but woudn't affect the normal Bogner range
Everybody could have been happy
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So, if you take the line-out from a normal Spider amp and run it into a valve power amp (or effects return of a 'full' valve amp) you'll have pretty much the same thing.
I'd say that pretty much nails it. Or if you want you get the Pod and the Atomic 16 combo in one piece of equipment - more or less ... but with a Bogner logo on it :wink:
Wondering what Reinhold gets for his name on the thing and giving a few interviews.
He is saying some good things in the interview though, like people want everything in one amp and amp builders actually end up building huge boxes full of circuitry, tubes and parts that weigh a ton, and indeed , modeling might be the only sensible way to get all these things into one package.
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I'd say that pretty much nails it. Or if you want you get the Pod and the Atomic 16 combo in one piece of equipment - more or less ... but with a Bogner logo on it :wink:
I quite like the Atomic 16 (would love to try the 50W version)
Much better with the Vox tonelab rather than the POD (IMO!)
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From what they're saying in the videos on the Line6 website, it's a full Spider preamp run into a typical valve output stage.
The Line 6 modeler feeds a pair of 12AX7 preamp tubes. The first tube is set up as a cascading gain stage, with each stage contributing the harmonic complexity vintage amp players love. That feeds the master volume which hits the next 12AX7 configured as a phase splitter which is followed by Sovtek 5881WXT/6L6. There’s 2 6L6’s for 40 watts of class AB power in the combos and 4 6L6’s for 100 watts of class AB power in the head.
This is from the line 6 website. http://uk.line6.com/spidervalve/bogner.html