Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: sskint on August 31, 2007, 06:03:17 PM
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For that PAF pickup tone are these usually scooped in the mids? Regarding Angus tone is his pickups more mid heavy or scoop?
Thanks
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I wouldn't say PAFs are mid-scooped, not would I say Angus' tone is mid-scooped either.
When I go for a classic Angus tone I always crank the mids way up on my Marshalls.
Compared to something like a Crawler, PAFs do have less mids but it's more balanced.
Compared to something like a Miracle Man, the PAF has more mids.
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so is the Riff Raff more balanced like 5-6-8 B-M-T
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I'd say that was a fair guess at the EQ, maybe more 5-6-7. My Riff Raffs certainly don't sound sharp at all and no-one has ever said I don't sound like Angus.
What guitar/amp are you using? And are you trying to get an Angus tone?
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I've always found trying to nail the perfect Angus tone is impossible :(
Oh well, Don't really play AC/DC anymore :wink:
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True, no-one ever sounds exactly like any other guitar player. Each person's style is unque. However, you can get close.
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Whats great about Angus' tone is that it's much cleaner than you think - all the sustain comes from playing VERY loud.
With the SG being quite thin, the body vibrates when you play - couple that with a cranked plexi and you're in for a hairy ride :lol:
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Yeah right now I got EMG, JB and SD Custom 5. custom 5 sounds most Angus obviously. I am thinking of trading in JB for RY or Holy Diver, and or Crawler. So I am in area but not trying to perfect it just near it. cinderella are anotehr favorite.
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riff raff clips on players forum sound almost exactly like angus
i don't think it's mid heavy (only the amp, not the pickup)
it has a cutting treble, lot of brightness and tight bass with few mids
usually PAFs are scooped and very dark
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riff raff clips on players forum sound almost exactly like angus
i don't think it's mid heavy (only the amp, not the pickup)
it has a cutting treble, lot of brightness and tight bass with few mids
usually PAFs are scooped and very dark
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I'd go riff raff for ac/dc tone, just by listening to those clips
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usually PAFs are scooped and very dark
??????????? I realise the definition of 'scooped' and 'dark' is subjective and means different things to different people but that would be bottom of my list if asked to describe PAFs.
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Can I point out that Ang's '68 SG he's famous for doesn't even have actual PAFs?
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Correct, they're Patent Number pickups. Which is what a Riff Raff is similar to...
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Can I point out that Ang's '68 SG he's famous for doesn't even have actual PAFs?
Yep - I think the timeline looked something like this:-
1956 - 1957 Original PAFs with no PAF sticker
1957 - 1960 Original PAFs with "Patent applied for sticker"
1961 - 1962 Last PAFs with short magnet.
1962 - 1965 Patent number sticker. Red/copper coloured wire used instead of purple. (I have these in my '64 SG Standard)
1965 - 1975 "T-buckers" - known as this because of the "T" on one of the bobbins.
1975 - 1980s More T buckers but with the correct patent number on the sticker. (previous PAFs stickers had used the number of a Les Paul tailpiece patent)
I believe there were instances of individual pickups being made (or fitted to Gibsons) outside of these dates, but I think they are roughly accurate.
So that would indicate Angus uses mostly T-buckers although I have seen videos of him playing early SGs (small pickguard) which would suggest 62-65 patent number pickups.
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I thought T-tops came later than '65???
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I thought Randy Rhoads' LP had T buckers, but was a 1964?
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I thought Randy Rhoads' LP had T buckers, but was a 1964?
I don't know what year Randy Rhoads' LP was built, but it wasn't a '64 - there were no Les Pauls built between 1960 and 1968 (except the early '60s SG-shaped Les Paul models). I'd guess it was early '70s.
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I thought T-tops came later than '65???
Although, as I mentioned, there was some overlap of dates and I have seen some claims that T buckers started in 1967, most info I have seen suggests they started in 1965.
Lot of good info at this site: http://www.provide.net/~cfh/paf.html (includes a good picture of a 1957 Les Paul Goldtop with the PAF removed and shows the 'long' tenon neck joint )
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I thought Randy Rhoads' LP had T buckers, but was a 1964?
I don't know what year Randy Rhoads' LP was built, but it wasn't a '64 - there were no Les Pauls built between 1960 and 1968 (except the early '60s SG-shaped Les Paul models). I'd guess it was early '70s.
damn that was a stupid statement to make :oops: . I should have thought about that more. probably 74 then.
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More likely to be around '74. That's when White Customs became regular production models. A few earlier ones that exist were custom orders as black was the only standard option.
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I thought T-tops came later than '65???
Although, as I mentioned, there was some overlap of dates and I have seen some claims that T buckers started in 1967, most info I have seen suggests they started in 1965.
Fair enough - I must have only read the '67 era arguments ;)
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ok...
the question is: RIFF RAFF > all gibson :lol:
angus said in a 1984 inetrview that he used mostly stock gibson pickups and used some english handwound humbuckers, but didn't know the guy's name (Grandpa Mills? :lol: )
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Angus' first SG was a '68, so then would mean it should have the T-tops/T-buckers.
That said, if I were going for an AC/DC sound with BKPs I'd get the Riff-Raff set.
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I like AC/DC the best from "High voltage" - "For those about to rock" but
what is the Angus sound though, because he's played different SG's from different years, the guitar sound is had changed a lot going from "High Voltage" to the "For those about to rock" era.
In the begining it was a lot fuzzier and in yer face like you were in a small room sat next to his amp, but later the sound was different.
Even if he used the same amps the recording techniques changed, different studios, prodution ideas- they might go for a more dry raw in you face feel, different engineers etc, the processing of the guitar track will be different, differnt E.Q., the eq on the valve compressors, the over all processing for the master, and then the mastering process itself, everything will change the sound, and then its down to what speakers you're listening through.
Whats always there in Angus's sound though are very "loose" harmonics which rattle together as they clash and distort seperatly producing a hard edged fuzziness. He doesn't use any distortion on the amp but over drives it in two ways - he has the amps up loud and he hits the strings HARD. He really digs in with a hard plectrum which makes the strings have a high pitched harmonic squeak to them, both the volume and the hard player cause the amp to overdrive but its the POWER SECTION which really counts, not pre amp overdrive so don't turn up the distortion on the amp, turn it down and turn the amp master volume up, and then wait for the neighbours to call the police.
Angus's left hard has got a MASSIVE fast and wide vibrato which is VERY distictive, this is as important as anything else, and more important than what the pickup is, just like most players you would know Angus straight away what ever pickup he used, or guitar and amp even just by his bent vibrato.
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I like AC/DC the best from "High voltage" - "For those about to rock" but
what is the Angus sound though, because he's played different SG's from different years, the guitar sound is had changed a lot going from "High Voltage" to the "For those about to rock" era.
In the begining it was a lot fuzzier and in yer face like you were in a small room sat next to his amp, but later the sound was different.
Even if he used the same amps the recording techniques changed, different studios, prodution ideas- they might go for a more dry raw in you face feel, different engineers etc, the processing of the guitar track will be different, differnt E.Q., the eq on the valve compressors, the over all processing for the master, and then the mastering process itself, everything will change the sound, and then its down to what speakers you're listening through.
Whats always there in Angus's sound though are very "loose" harmonics which rattle together as they clash and distort seperatly producing a hard edged fuzziness. He doesn't use any distortion on the amp but over drives it in two ways - he has the amps up loud and he hits the strings HARD. He really digs in with a hard plectrum which makes the strings have a high pitched harmonic squeak to them, both the volume and the hard player cause the amp to overdrive but its the POWER SECTION which really counts, not pre amp overdrive so don't turn up the distortion on the amp, turn it down and turn the amp master volume up, and then wait for the neighbours to call the police.
Angus's left hard has got a MASSIVE fast and wide vibrato which is VERY distictive, this is as important as anything else, and more important than what the pickup is, just like most players you would know Angus straight away what ever pickup he used, or guitar and amp even just by his bent vibrato.
Yeah, Amen!
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Yep, totally agree with that too. Although a cranked JTM45 and an SG will always get you in the ballpark of all Angus tones.