Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: WITH FULL DISTORTION on September 08, 2007, 07:51:20 PM
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Hails Guys,i´m willing to trade my ESP Mii Deluxe for a Hurricane Les paul custom.
my esp is Brand new, just a few scratches in the body, but the les paul has all teh hardware Rusted. but the guy told me that he will pay for the new hardware. and the frets need to be changed.
here the pics.
let me know what you think about it ANy suggestions and criticism will be welcome. Esp will not be delivery with duncans. eheheh
This is my ESP - (http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/4997/dsc09915yt0.th.jpg) (http://img441.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc09915yt0.jpg)
And these are The pics of the Hurricane Les paul
(http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/9845/dsc00009bh4.th.jpg) (http://img258.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00009bh4.jpg)
(http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/5871/dsc00013rs8.th.jpg) (http://img258.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00013rs8.jpg)
(http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/5377/dsc00011db0.th.jpg) (http://img258.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00011db0.jpg)
(http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/2020/dsc00014sl3.th.jpg) (http://img254.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00014sl3.jpg)
(http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/5165/dsc00012aq6.th.jpg) (http://img410.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00012aq6.jpg)
The pickups are good,but too bright for my tastes. and the guitar itself wieghts A TON.(thast good for me.)
Q:P
Hails.
JP
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I wouldn't trade.
ESP ftw.
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ESP rocks harder to me, would keep it.
Is that your pool?
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Well, I've never had one Hurricane, but I a player that I was roadie had, and it had an amazing sound (EMG 89 in this guitar)... it had double truss-rod and locking gotoh turners... Well, I'm always about a LP! :D
EDIT: You're brazillian too, I should have wrote in portuguese...
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hurricane > any skinny guitar :lol:
i think no one here will recognize this brand, cause apparently they were sold in late 80's and early 90's only in south america and asia, and i saw some on spanish websites, so everyone will tell you to keep the ESP
if it was a well known copy like burny or edwards, everyone would recommend it
moridaira (morris) made guitars for fender japan, hs anderson and bill lawrence and endorsed Marty Friedman and Jason Becker for a long time in the 80's
they used high quality and HEAVY mahogany and only gotoh hardware
definitely NOT cheap guitars, as the Hurricane i own and the other i played beat all the Gibson Studios i've tried (i never played a standard or custom, so i can't compare)
my bandmate just bought a brand new gibson vintage mahogany and the first thing he said when i asked about the gibson was "my hurricane is way better than it and a lot more comfortable"
the stock bridge pickup is shitety and bright, but the neck pickup is fat, clear and powerful (not in a BK way, but great for a stock pickup)
so the question should be "SKINNY GUITAR TONE vs TRUE LES PAUL SOUND" :lol:
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I would say the LP as I like them :D
but don't replace the rusted stuff! ruins all the fun :P
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I would say the LP as I like them :D
but don't replace the rusted stuff! ruins all the fun :P
yeah
as we live close to the beach, in 6 months the new gold parts will be rotten again (unless you put some black hardware)
as the guy to pay for the fret service!
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if it was a well known copy like burny or edwards, everyone would recommend it
What the hell are you on about?
Even if it was a Gibson deluxe I'd say ESP...
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ESP all the way.
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I don't recognise the brand, but if they're a well-made instrument and hold value well in Brazil I'd say go for it.
LP > any guitar with a pointy headstock.
:twisted:
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I don't recognise the brand, but if they're a well-made instrument and hold value well in Brazil I'd say go for it.
LP > any guitar with a pointy headstock.
:twisted:
(http://www.blackmachine.net/assets/Portrait400px.jpg)
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15 - love :lol:
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I'd take a Les Paul over that Blackmachine 'thing' any day of the week.....
(http://h1.ripway.com/skydog43/sub1.jpg)
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if i had to choose the LP and blackmachine I'd be stuck as hell.
i'd keep the esp tho WFD - suits yu better :P
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I don't recognise the brand, but if they're a well-made instrument and hold value well in Brazil I'd say go for it.
LP > any guitar with a pointy headstock.
:twisted:
(http://www.blackmachine.net/assets/Portrait400px.jpg)
hmmm no, thanks! :lol:
I'd take a Les Paul over that Blackmachine 'thing' any day of the week.....
(http://h1.ripway.com/skydog43/sub1.jpg)
great finish!
some hurricanes have this beautiful flamed top too
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THe LP (providing it was a good un) would be my choice too.
You tend not to grow out of LPs, strats et al :oops:
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I'd take a Les Paul over that Blackmachine 'thing' any day of the week.....
(http://h1.ripway.com/skydog43/sub1.jpg)
I cannot see the pic :x
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I love the Darkburst colour 8)
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i prefer metallic black like mine, but this Hurricane has a badass finish:
(http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/5869/dsc002574ww.jpg)
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http://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=figura074zs5.jpg
http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=figura076wa7.jpg
http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=figura082pd1.jpg
i think that's yours, right WFD?
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By the way I do like the black machine, and particularly like the thin body, but I would find more uses for the LP. despite finding them overly thick (and often too heavy as well)
I would like to see Blackmachines take on the LP and firebird models though.
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I don't recognise the brand, but if they're a well-made instrument and hold value well in Brazil I'd say go for it.
LP > any guitar with a pointy headstock.
:twisted:
(http://www.blackmachine.net/assets/Portrait400px.jpg)
hmmm no, thanks! :lol:
I'd take a Les Paul over that Blackmachine 'thing' any day of the week.....
(http://h1.ripway.com/skydog43/sub1.jpg)
great finish!
some hurricanes have this beautiful flamed top too
BlackMachine guitars are really nice, but theres NOTHING like a good Les Paul. That picture Twinfan posted says it all really - how can you compete with that?
:twisted:
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No contest on the LP vs Blackmachine - I'm sure Blackmachines are fantastic, but the look does nothing for me.
Going back to JP's original question, that's a lot tougher - I don't usually like superstrats but that ESP is lovely, nice and tasteful like a Hamer Diablo. And the Hurricane weighing a ton would put me off - but it's not me having to choose. :)
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I see the web site of Blackmachine... have some nice guitars, but they're to thinner... 27 or 28mm... mmmmm
How much wood you got, how much sustain and tone you got... so go to gym, don't make a thinner body! :D huahahahahaha
dont be fooled into thinking the thinness of black machines is a bad thing - they sound so bloody good!! the whole point is that they are thinner, that will in no way decrease tone or sustain -
thats kind of the 80's way of thinking that heavier was better for tone and sustain, and people ended up with tone sucking brass nust!!! More weight, mass, actuall volume of wood = more sustain = absolutely big hairy balls!!! :shock:
the whole sustain thing just comes down to marketing hype anyway!!, how much bloody sustain do you need.
lets put it this way, i have made a few not so good guitars in my time but i have never made one that lacked sustain. I have come across very few guitars that lacked sufficient sustain in a way that couldnt be overcome by a set-up. If a guitar is put togther well it will never suffer from a lack of sustain no matter what the neck join is, what ther bridge is, what woods are used or how how thick it is...
.. after that, if you need more sustain, you need to invest in a sustainer
as for tone, well you really need to play a black machine before saying they lack any tone.... tone does not come from having more wood to soak up string vibration- the choice of wood is just as improtant as the thickness. you may notice doug prefers mahogany for his thin super strats.. if it was full thickness mahogany would be the outside choice for the kind of guitars he makes
anyway, good tone is completely subjective
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^^^ +100
Exactly.
I don't care if you think they're too thin to get good sustain - It's a total wives tail. I've played massive table chunks of full Mahogany LPs that have less sustain than a sack of potatoes.
It's not the quantity of wood you have, it's the quality, type and build quality that determines the sound of a guitar and it's sustain. And Black Machines are top on all of that.
The guitars sing absolutely beautifully - And nobody can tell me that they aren't some of the very very greatest guitars I have ever played.
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Hey man! I didn't said that his guitars has bad tone or sustain... I tried to say something like the diference between a SG and a Les Paul, same woods, but different thickness and different mass of sound...
For logistic problems (Blackmachine guitars are some thousands miles away from where I live) I've never played one, but actually everybody says it's a good guitar and, for the pics I've see, they look very well builted.
So, I'm sorry for my misunderstood phrase... I'm sure the Blackmachines guitars are good and I wasn't trying in any form to throw mud on Doug's name.
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I'd take a Les Paul over that Blackmachine 'thing' any day of the week.....
(http://h1.ripway.com/skydog43/sub1.jpg)
Twinfan, i assume this is yours? I am literally drooling on my computer screen, wait, not i'm not, that would be disgusting. I hope to make one of those some day! Love the burst over that curly (?) maple... mmm, delicious!
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ESP rocks harder to me, would keep it.
Is that your pool?
Hails Hunter. Yha,its my Pool.
i´m having a strong suspicious/feeling that i´ll end upwith a stratocaster(my favorite guitar shaep of them all) a les paul, a FLying V(gibson shape) and my charvel(my second lover,first is my fiancee ahahah)
and maybe a 7 string guitar.
thats why i´m kinda undecided about it
Q:(
JP
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Yah,I´m from João Pessoa - PB.
The land where we are crushed by the southern and southeastern faggots.
i personally hate people from Rio De Janeiro,so far.
they are disgusting. sorry if you are form RJ,but i couldn´t find a single guy from there that worth a piece of shite.
Even people frommy family.
they $%&#gin think they are in Hollywood or something
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahah $%&# them.
Hails.
JP
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http://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=figura074zs5.jpg
http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=figura076wa7.jpg
http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=figura082pd1.jpg
i think that's yours, right WFD?
The same guitar, same colour, different pickups
i would put a set of COLD SWEATS IN there.... or a cold sweat neck and a Miracle man bridge(or a painkiller)
Jp
Now i´m really in doubt if i´ll tarde or not
what i´m in doubt is : if it worth.. but since you guys,don´t know the brand, it´s hard for you to judge..
I liked Both guitars, but i think the les paul has WAY MORE sound than the esp. even with stock pups.
plus,i´ll paint it all in trans black.
Q:)
AND i ´ll put a chrome hardware, if i´ll keep it and do the trade.
Hails
JP
thanks
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(http://h1.ripway.com/skydog43/sub1.jpg)
Twinfan, i assume this is yours? !
I wish :roll:
Just a picture I found on the web unfortunately :(
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Personally WFD, I'd think you'd be insane to trade.
If you want an LP then there are plenty you can get, but those M2s aren't built anymore and they're some of the best guitars to play that you can get...
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I don't know what it is about LPs, I've always hated the way they look. They feel horribly unbalanced to play when you're a superstrat junkie like me too, but that's probably more because I'm massively biased against the way they look.
Take that one that was posted: Stupid scratchplate, tone selector in a horrible position, not enough frets, a serious case of "dude, where's my whammy bar?" and too many bloody knobs!
But to each his own, and I certainly wouldn't say it's not a great guitar to play - just not for me :)
And don't even get me started on Telecasters... :D
Clearly *both* the tone and also the good-lookingness of guitars are subjective things. Pretty much everyone here will disagree with me about the above, but that's all part of having the right to your own opinions :)
Roo
PS LPs just don't look "hard" enough for your music, WFD. The ESP has more of the right character ;)