Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: hunter on September 10, 2007, 08:38:54 PM
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Ok after I posted the clip with the Bogner, people requested a comparison, so here it is. (the Diezel clip is not played as well, amp was a tad too loud and I didn't hear the backing track, so please ignore the playing and recording volume as much as possible)
Bogner (Ch2, Boost off, Xotic RC Booster): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crvnSczfU3E
Diezel (Ch 1 Mode 3, RC Booster): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZytPmeQLBE
So which one wins?
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Tricky. You've set them both up to sound very similarly to my ears, plus it's the same speaker cab and the same mic (video recorder) which is colouring the sound a lot.
For me though, it's the Shiva. It just seems to have a bit more midrange "honk" and rounded treble.
But you knew I was going to say that didn't you? :wink:
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I think i liked the Diezel. Again, as twinfan said, they are set quite the same tonally, or maybe it is just the recorder, who knows. In any case, i am a reverb junky and i think the Diezel just had a tad more reverb than the bogner, also it sounded thicker with more body to it.
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Easily the shiva - It's so round and smooth and expressive.
Diezels are more suited to more nasty, mean and agressive sounds imo - I don't really like their tone though tbh - I've not played one for years, but I've seen a few live, and they always just sound solid state and sterile to me - like the EMG of the amp world.
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I went for the Bogner, sounded mellower to my ears. Nice sound!
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That was great of you to post a shoot out with two world class amps most people might never get to see, let alone play through. Kudos!
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I'm for the Shiva;on the video,it's tricky but i still remember your clip with the Shiva,so..... 8)
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I would go with the Diezel, it brings out more of your guitar's natural tone.
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Quite different. Were I a pure blues guy, I'd go for the shiva. But I'm a metalhead that likes the bues, so I preffered the sharper, clearer, more-restrained-than-pushed sound of the einstien.
I bet that thing rips if you open it up a bit :twisted:
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For this clip i liked the Shiva better at the lower gain parts but when it kicks in to the higher gain solo the Diezel comes out on top. :D
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i liked the shiva better, it sounded more raw, or something, while the einstein sounded more refined (which generally i prefer, just not for this type of tone). which is strange, i thought the shiva was a more hot-rodded marshall, 80's metal type amp when i tried it. :oops: :lol: I haven't been able to try the einstein...
also the diezel one crashed my computer, so it loses marks for that too. :twisted:
EDIT: actually, screw that, i'm not sure. I can't get the diezel one to load past about 15 seconds. I'll check it again later.
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also the diezel one crashed my computer, so it loses marks for that too. :twisted:
8) .... :lol:
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But you knew I was going to say that didn't you? :wink:
Yeah I know you're an old Reinhold fan and a real tone gourmet :wink:
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shiva :harp:
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I loaded both clips and played them without looking which was which, so I wouldn't be biased one way or the other.
Turns out I preferred the Diezel, it just sounds a bit more snarly and dynamic, I think.
Interesting that some of us think the Shiva sounds more raw whilst others think it's smoother and rounder. Everyone has different ears, I guess.
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Yeah I know you're an old Reinhold fan and a real tone gourmet :wink:
:D
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youtube is still acting up for me. good job i didn't vote yet. :lol:
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Hunter, you know my opinion on ths one.
:D
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ok, i finally got it to work. very nice playing by the way.
I think i liked the bogner more for that type of tone, it's quite trebly though (from what i remember from trying it too), for most other tones (other than 80's metal), i'd probably prefer the diezel's tone, at least judging from that clip, which probably isn't fair to be honest. :lol:
anyway, yeah, i think i liked the bogner more, a little more open sounding and more reactive to the playing style and dynamics...
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Hunter, you have secret admirers. I found these vids on this other forum I've been frequenting for a long time, and people were generally impressed.
Just thought I'd share.
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Between the two I'd go with the Shiva, and the clips only support that although I get the feeling the Diezel had the MV set at like 1 so that wasn't helping.....
If you really want that tone, get a Marshall Major or an ol 50 or 100 watt Super lead, or a Roccaforte Custom 80 or DRRS (Doug usually says if you prefer a MV get the Custom 80, if not the DRRS.... I plan on getting a DRRS soon).