Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: Nekron on August 01, 2005, 11:18:02 PM
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hi everyone, im new around here :)
anyway, im just wondering if anyone knows wether the warpig humbucker
is suitable for playing black/death metal?
it caught my eye out of the crowd, and the term "heavy as hell" intrigues me.
basicly im looking for a er.. heavy as hell sound that can still stay relativly
sharp during lead parts.
the guitar it will be going on is an Ibanez RG270DX.
if not the warpig could somebody kindly point me in the right direction?
kind regards.
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Welcome to the forum, Nekron. A cool name you have, BTW. You could check out the Players section. There you'll find clips of the Warpig. I especially recommend you Drac's clips, he's really into death/black metal and has Warpigs in his self-made guitars. Ratrod has also made some heavy-as-hell clips. :twisted:
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Welcome to the forum, Nekron. A cool name you have, BTW
thanks :)
i just checked out those clips and ive been convinced :D
now i just gotta scr@pe some more money together :?
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Yep, the warpig can do death/black metal!
What bands do you listen to/like the sound of?
The only other pickup I would recommend is the Miracle man for a tighter bass response and more highs.
Welcome to the forum!
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The WarPig/Miracle Man will do, trust me.
Nekron...isn't that something out of WarHammer 40K?
Andy!
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heh 40k! memories...
i had a seymour duncan livewire HM that ran off 2 9v batteries.. the most insane brutal sound ever, Dark Funeral use them. Not much tone though, just a big chunk of ARAGAH everytime you nail the guitar :lol:
Warpig should be ace, and it looks mean aswell
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What bands do you listen to/like the sound of?
mainly Enslaved, Ragnarok, Darkthrone etc.
plus im quite fond of the modern death metal dimmu borgir.
Nekron...isn't that something out of WarHammer 40K?
it probably is but i nicked it from a Rhapsody song :D
and chrisola, i like you're dragonforce avatar.
good to see british metal kickin ass again.
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$%&#ing Hails Man
i īm also a extreme metal player.
blackdeaththrashfusion metal.
for black and death metal, (i didnīt played any BKP yet, just listened to the soundclips)i think you want a Middy/high tone with strong(but not excessive) Bass to couple the other two mentioned frequencies, RIGHT?!
why not checking out the nailbomb?
iīll get a Miracle man bridge, but donīt know about the neck YET
$%&#ing hails and welcome to the forum
J.P
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hail :)
yeah thats pretty much what im after.
sounds like i got a good selection to choose from.
guess i'll haveta go for the most wallet friendly one :?
thanks for the welcome everyone.
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Howdy-
-Wallet be damned!- Spare no expense in regard to yer axegrinding!-
Warpig/MiracleMan/Nailbomb-
-Collect 'em all!- Ye'll be glad ye did ( & didn't compromise in this department...) - SKÅL from Drac in DK
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and chrisola, i like you're dragonforce avatar.
good to see british metal kickin ass again.
I thought it was Trixter!! LOL
PDT_045
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If you really wanna go extreme INSANE death/black metal, go for a ceramic Warpig. It'll do the sharp lead stuff very well. The Alnico V Warpig is pure thunder when down tuned, smooth leads and excellsent cleans.
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The Nailbomb wouldnt really do what you want; it wouldn't give you the right tone. The two I would look at are the warpig for a huge bass response and a really heavy sound, perfect for death metal. For black metal (Emperor, Immortal kind of tone) I would go for the miracle man, It has more highs and a tighter bass so it would handle tremolo picking better.
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Hails Steve... i have a different approach when talking about pickup styles.
i tried Several seymour duncan pickups... and the ones(didnīt try them all. didnīt try dimebucker,invader,paralel axis distortion, Livewire, duncan custom) that ALMOST suited me BETTER(I Said ALMOST) are : Custom custom, custom five(but i hated the lack of mids, THIS PISSES ME OFF)!
so... the ones i think will suit me better are the 2 i mentioned here and a Seth Lover and, probably a dimebucker. but i need to test it.
so... itīs not a fact that high output humbuckers, together with big bass response are always the better choice for extreme metal .
i, personally, not agree with this... this is why sometimes people can think iīm extremely exigent or a kick in the balls... but itīs not true .
Q:)
And that is the Iīm still have a little doubt about a Miracle man and The Mule.
ahahahhahhahhaha
Hails
J.P
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hm, i have alot to think about.
i'll probably end up going for the warpig though,
although the miracle man is drawing me in..
hm, i guess i'll have to make my wallet decide after all.
thanks for all the response :)
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hm, i guess i'll have to make my wallet decide after all.
thanks for all the response :)
Is there a price diff between the WP and the MM?!
I thought all the humbuckers were the same price ...
I've never played a Warpig, so I can't comment on it. TONS of experience using the Miracle Man, tho; I use it daily, in fact. Best 'metal' pickup I've ever owned.
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Hails Steve... i have a different approach when talking about pickup styles.
i tried Several seymour duncan pickups... and the ones(didnīt try them all. didnīt try dimebucker,invader,paralel axis distortion, Livewire, duncan custom) that ALMOST suited me BETTER(I Said ALMOST) are : Custom custom, custom five(but i hated the lack of mids, THIS PISSES ME OFF)!
so... the ones i think will suit me better are the 2 i mentioned here and a Seth Lover and, probably a dimebucker. but i need to test it.
so... itīs not a fact that high output humbuckers, together with big bass response are always the better choice for extreme metal .
i, personally, not agree with this... this is why sometimes people can think iīm extremely exigent or a kick in the balls... but itīs not true .
Q:)
And that is the Iīm still have a little doubt about a Miracle man and The Mule.
ahahahhahhahhaha
Hails
J.P
No, but you need the highs and tight bass to play black metal. If you are de-tuning you will also need a tight bass to stop the low end sounding flabby.
No, high output pickups may not ALWAYS be the first choice for extreme metal but in this case I think that the Miracle man and the Warpig would do the job the best for the reasons that I stated above.
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Hmm,I agree with Steve on this one, the Warpig is an awesome black metal pickup.......balanced mids, great bottom end and excellent high end cut coupled with masses of gain.Stuart Anstis, the original Cradle of Filth guitarist plays and loves this pickup.
Lower output pickups can sound great in high gain situations..........I play in an Ozzy tribute and regularly play a Mule loaded LP.The onlt down side is you get no help from the extra sustain that the higher gain pickups give through amp compression.Also the bottom end isn't as tight so.............you have to work alot harder for your money!
Personally I'd look at the Warpig first before Mules etc
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I thought it was Trixter!! LOL
How could you mistake Herman Li's knee-length hair?! They're a damn fantastic band.
Anyway, back to the topic... I'd go for a set of warpigs if your wallet can comply. (They're roughly fifteen quid more than the other hbs, for the guy who asked.) I've played a fair bit of death metal before, and from the clips and what I've been told, these are you best bet for that brutal sound. I'd recommend MMs if you were shredding, but I don't think you are, although a MM might make for an interesting neck to go with a 'pig bridge...
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I thought it was Trixter!! LOL
How could you mistake Herman Li's knee-length hair?! They're a damn fantastic band.
LOL; 'twas a joke, sai.
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Apologies - it's difficult to pick up your sharp wit in text. :D
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you do not find the pickup for death metal..
death metal and metal in general has to come from within you! and then you let that voice from inside to speak through your fingers and guitar!
if you have a high gain amp or a heavy distortion pedal you can do death metal with a vintage fender!
but that's straying off topic, we're after good tone, not a matchbox full of bumble bees right?
my $0.02 first and foremost, for downtuning you need a tight pickup to retain the punch when playing in dropA and not having it sound like soggy spagetty.
my guess, from the BKP's is the warpig. there's a clip there with the warpig that is tuned in .. E, an octave lover than standard :twisted:
i gotta spend more time in the players room and tune my ears to BKP's but in the meantime, you got lots of other people giving good advice here =)
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you do not find the pickup for death metal..
death metal and metal in general has to come from within you! and then you let that voice from inside to speak through your fingers and guitar!
if you have a high gain amp or a heavy distortion pedal you can do death metal with a vintage fender!
UNHOLY WICKED DITTO!!!!
Q:p
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Yah, i Agree with both of you.
and Unfortunately .. iīll have to buy These 3 pickups for my guitars.
Miracle Man, Warpig and Nailbomb(from these 3, the nailbomb is the one that i Underate.. cause i think it will not suit me.. but i can be wrong)
But i am completely BLIND on WHICH neck pickup to go for... let me see what tha F|_|cki will do with my Red Charvel, and iīll be able to decide.
cause i guess my custom project will have to wait, and will not be Out this year.
Hails and thanks!
J.P
Hmm,I agree with Steve on this one, the Warpig is an awesome black metal pickup.......balanced mids, great bottom end and excellent high end cut coupled with masses of gain.Stuart Anstis, the original Cradle of Filth guitarist plays and loves this pickup.
Lower output pickups can sound great in high gain situations..........I play in an Ozzy tribute and regularly play a Mule loaded LP.The onlt down side is you get no help from the extra sustain that the higher gain pickups give through amp compression.Also the bottom end isn't as tight so.............you have to work alot harder for your money!
Personally I'd look at the Warpig first before Mules etc
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Hails Steve... i have a different approach when talking about pickup styles.
i tried Several seymour duncan pickups... and the ones(didnīt try them all. didnīt try dimebucker,invader,paralel axis distortion, Livewire, duncan custom) that ALMOST suited me BETTER(I Said ALMOST) are : Custom custom, custom five(but i hated the lack of mids, THIS PISSES ME OFF)!
so... the ones i think will suit me better are the 2 i mentioned here and a Seth Lover and, probably a dimebucker. but i need to test it.
so... itīs not a fact that high output humbuckers, together with big bass response are always the better choice for extreme metal .
i, personally, not agree with this... this is why sometimes people can think iīm extremely exigent or a kick in the balls... but itīs not true .
Q:)
And that is the Iīm still have a little doubt about a Miracle man and The Mule.
ahahahhahhahhaha
Hails
J.P
I completely Agree with you on the tight bass and down tunning stuff.
but i also like to add(correct me if ipm wrong, cause you guys have equaly or more knowledge on the TONE/Musical styles relationship than i have) that for Blackmetal, Mids are important too.
and the only musical style that needs NO mids, are the cr@ppy muddy "ALTERNA METAL"(As we call it here in brazil), often known as NU/NEW METAL.
$%&#ing hails
J.P
No, but you need the highs and tight bass to play black metal. If you are de-tuning you will also need a tight bass to stop the low end sounding flabby.
No, high output pickups may not ALWAYS be the first choice for extreme metal but in this case I think that the Miracle man and the Warpig would do the job the best for the reasons that I stated above.
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Its all down to personal preference really, if you want to have lots of mids then have lots of mids. Black metal is so varied you cant really say its completely necessary or not.