Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: moominking13 on September 27, 2007, 05:25:57 PM
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im looking to invest in amp sometimes soon, but stuck on exactly what to buy. im into hard rock/alternative kinda stuff, nice beefy distortion and also nice cleans.
im definately looking for a valve amp after i gigged with a peavey delta blues and found the crunch to sound lovely! the price range is 300-400 quid as im not quite old enough to be earning a lot of money yet!!
i was looking at the peavey valvekings...opinions?
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Laneys do some nice cheaper valve amps the LC & VC (under £300 for the VC30 1x12 at gak.co.uk), theres the Marshall DSL 401 but I'm not a big fan. The Fender Hot Rod Deluxe they go for £469 on GAK. Best to try out what you can and buy what sounds best to you though. Take your guitar with you if you can when you try em...
Get a great clean amp and you can always put a pedal in front fro the dirt as a lot of the amps in the price range you are talking about have on board solid state for the overdrive when you use the dirty channel anyways...
Otherwise I'm selling a Limited Edidtion Fender Tweed Hot Rod Deluxe factory fitted with an uprated Jensen speaker :wink:
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i would ask how much your selling it for but i know it would take me a while to get any money together! :P
yer the laney vc30 does look good, might have to tak a closer look
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Tiny Terror is ace if you can get a cab.
Most of those little class A Valve amps are superb.
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are the tiny terrors loud enough to gig with though coz i gig quite regularly. i definately wouldnt mind getting my hands on one of those beautys though!
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in my opinion (I play deathrash metal) it doesn't really work if you want to cut across the band and the triggers...
it works with EQ pedals... but for live use... no.
The Valveking is quite good for the money, some guys in This Is Colour use them and they seem to be able to hold their own with the 5150's
My advise to you is to look on Ebay, you'll get a valve head come along soon.
It depends what you play... and what bands you listen too...
WHAT DO YOU PLAY AND WHAT BANDS DO YOU LISTEN TOO?
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i play rock, hard rock, alternative all that kinda stuff and listen to Muse, foo fighters, ozzy, zakk wylde, after a tone similar to them really!
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Ok, well try and find a JCM-800 or 900 or eBay, and boost it with a SD-1 or Zakk Wylde thingy booster pedal?
That should come to about £300-350 hopefully...
Then you'll need a cab... 2x12's go on Ebay often for like £100
BUT you could get lucky, like I did and snag a beat up 4x12 for £40! which sounds $%&#ing BRUTAL with V30's in it.
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£40?? bargain!
yer ive had a look on ebay theres plenty of jcms there, now just gotta wait till i can actually buy one!
how much did the v30s cost you?
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DON'T GET THE ZW BOOSTER!
it will be cr@p, then break....
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ill tak the advice :)
any reccomended boosts?
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Yeah the SD-1!
watford valves did a sale on time ago for like £35 but like £120 for 4 or something
http://www.watfordvalves.com/product_detail.asp?id=527
I think they still cost that! But not with the 4 for £120 thing
So my $%&#ing top notch cab cost me pretty much £160... like more than half what you would pay for a new, decent quality one.
Framus make pretty good cabs too... check them out on dolphinmusic.co.uk
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With your budget and the influences you've listed you really want to be getting a Laney GH50L or GH100L head. These are the same circuit as the single channel JCM800 Marshalls but with some slight circuit tweaks to get a bit more gain and the resonance mod to beef out the low end.
You see these Laneys go from as cheap as £150 to an average of £250-300.
Cheap 4x12s can be had, keep your eye out for something with decent Celestions in it. You might find a tatty Marshall 1960 cab for £150-200 on a good day.
I would just monitor ebay and wait for the best deal to come along. If you can wait till crimbo there are always bargains since people are selling to fund buying presents. Jan/Feb is always good too as most people don't have cash to buy stuff and the prices stay low when cash-strapped people flog stuff to pay for their xmas-excesses.
I got an original Acoustic 320 bass head two years back the week before xmas for £120. That was a total beast of a bass amp which I sold later in the year for £300.
:twisted:
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nice im gonna check those laneys out! thanks for all that help!
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I replaced my ZW with an MXR GT OD, imported it at the time as maybe it wasn't released in this country til later. Has a bit more gain, not bad for a small pedal.
Just a thought, I don't really like Boss pedals
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yer im not a fan of boss pedals, waaaaay overrated.
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The Tiny Terror is awsome, I've just got one. Not sure how well it would do at a gig. I have it through a 1x12 and it's bloody loud in a flat. i heard it in a shop through a 4x12 and it was good and loud, but again, I'm not sure how well that would translate to gig volumes.
I have a peavey ValveKing 112, great clean sound, but I don't think it compares well to the TT for dirt (although in fairness I've never been able to put the gain up enough to test it properly).
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I'm just echoing what everybody has said here but I'd recommend JCM800s, Laney GHs, VCs and Oranges although to stay within budget you'd have to go used. Laney GH half stacks regularly go on ebay for less than £400 which is a killer deal. You should contact Woogie if you want a Laney VC30 he has a 2x12 version for sale.
Edit: By the way, if going by the ebay route, it costs roughly £80 to get a valve half stack delivered. A lot of money but could be worth it if the deal is right.
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I can certainly vouch for the VC30 though mine is a 2 x 10.Gigged mine a lot-great clean tones.There are better amps around but you'd be hard pressed to get something as good for the money.I got mine for £165.00 off Ebay being patient and stealthy.
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For the tones you describe, I'd go for a Laney GH50L head. As long as you don't need a sparkiling clean tone for gigging, they're a superb amp for very, very little money. I sold mine a while back for £250 which is what they seem to go for. Even brand new they're just under £400.
I'd go for:
Used GH50L = £250
Used 1936 Marshall 2x12 = £175
Total = £425
Then after a few gigs, or when you get a few quid, I'd swap the speakers in the 2x12 from the standard G12T-75s to something a bit warmer. I'd recommend Celestion Vintage 30s, G12H30s or G12-65s.
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For the tones you describe, I'd go for a Laney GH50L head. As long as you don't need a sparkiling clean tone for gigging, they're a superb amp for very, very little money. I sold mine a while back for £250 which is what they seem to go for. Even brand new they're just under £400.
I'd go for:
Used GH50L = £250
Used 1936 Marshall 2x12 = £175
Total = £425
Then after a few gigs, or when you get a few quid, I'd swap the speakers in the 2x12 from the standard G12T-75s to something a bit warmer. I'd recommend Celestion Vintage 30s, G12H30s or G12-65s.
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Laney-GH50L-50-Watt-Head-and-Marshall-1936-2x12-Cab_W0QQitemZ190156904499QQihZ009QQcategoryZ10171QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
amazing work Twinfan!!!!
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Whoa! I hadn't seen that! That's fate for you ;) Buy it, buy it, buy it, buy it......
(And no, it's not mine before anyone asks!)
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yeah man, thats too good to be true!
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You sound like you have same sort of amp requirements as me. I have a Marshall JCM900 4100 Dual Reverb head and a 1936 2x12 cab with Vintage 30's in and it's perfect.
If I didn't have that, I'd probably have a Peavey Valveking.
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what about the Peavey Windsor?
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With your budget and the influences you've listed you really want to be getting a Laney GH50L or GH100L head. These are the same circuit as the single channel JCM800 Marshalls but with some slight circuit tweaks to get a bit more gain and the resonance mod to beef out the low end.
What makes them sound so different to Marshalls then?
I always found them very muddy - better with single coils though
Is it these mods that you speak of or is it the transformer?
I suspect that the H+H speakers they were using didn't help either
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That's interesting muddy is the last word I'd use to describe my Laney. If anything it sounds like a Marshall that had all its fizz removed and rounded up a bit. It just doesn't sound as grindy and abrasive as Marshalls. The stock HH speakers that used come in the Laney amps were horrible though maybe that's why you found them muddy Jonathan? The 70/80s that come on the combos now are much better but they sound kind of 2 dimentional.
When I play my Marshall 2210 and my Laney at bedroom volumes they sound surprisingly similar. When I put them on hotplate they start to change a lot, the Marshall starts to give out that juicy overdrive that you typically associate with Marshall amps. Large part of the difference must be something to do with the power amp.
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the HH speakers if used with laneys sound like cr@p. that's why they switched to using celestions
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+1 on Laney. I've never found any of them muddy. Certainly clearer than some of the valve marshalls I've played. However I'd get a digitech bad monkey over an SD1. I've owned both within a week of each other, and the SD-1 goes from muddy to ear piercingly harsh with no real middle ground, whereas the monkey doesn't suffer from the same problem and is generally more usable.
The DOD 250 is also good. If your budget for a boost is higher there's always the trusty TS808 or TS9.