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Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: nikita on October 19, 2007, 05:15:20 PM

Title: which pickup for my guitar???
Post by: nikita on October 19, 2007, 05:15:20 PM
hey everyone,

i want the best sound out of my gear and so im asking you if you would change the pickups of my guitar or not
if so which pickup would you choose?
at ultimateguitare.com the suggested my EMG's or BKP's

guitar: Schecter C1-classic
amp: Engl fireball
effects: g-major (and sonic maximizer in the near future)

ah yes i mostly play stuff from Metallica (also the clean parts),
AC/DC, Black Sabbath usw. (90% metal)
but also some Hendrix.....

hope you can help me   :wink:
Title: which pickup for my guitar???
Post by: ericsabbath on October 19, 2007, 05:24:13 PM
hmm
nailbomb?
Title: which pickup for my guitar???
Post by: nikita on October 20, 2007, 03:29:45 PM
please are there any other suggestions?

is the nailbomb any good?
does it fit my guitar?
bride or neck pickup?

help anyone?
Title: which pickup for my guitar???
Post by: Crazy_Joe on October 20, 2007, 03:34:44 PM
I'm baffled haha, that's quite a wide range of styles and i'm finding it hard to pick something, i think i'll go with the Nailbomb as it's high gain for your Metalica etc. but it's so versatile at the same time which should cover your Hendrix and stuff.
But i'll be interested to see what other's recommend.
Title: which pickup for my guitar???
Post by: Roobubba on October 20, 2007, 08:47:31 PM
hmm, two holy diver owners not recommending the holy divers... Surely' it's a job for the mighty HD?!
Title: which pickup for my guitar???
Post by: nikita on October 20, 2007, 09:19:46 PM
so would you suggest the holy diver?

ive heard that BKP's are really nice pickups, but i really do want to match them properly to the woods. Many BKP fans have been known to say (on their forum, no less), that X pickup doesn't sound very good in a particular guitar, etc.
so i want the right pickup for my schecter!!!
Title: which pickup for my guitar???
Post by: ericsabbath on October 21, 2007, 12:04:51 AM
both will sound great in your guitar
nailbomb is a bit more aggressive
holy diver is thicker
Title: which pickup for my guitar???
Post by: nikita on October 21, 2007, 10:02:48 AM
im sorry for that noobish question, but do i put them in the bridge or the neck position?

which one makes it easer to play pinch harmonics?
and do they soud both ok if played clean?
Title: which pickup for my guitar???
Post by: Will on October 21, 2007, 10:38:23 AM
I think he's describing the two, so you could take your pick of which one you would like better
Title: which pickup for my guitar???
Post by: PhilKing on October 21, 2007, 02:04:12 PM
TO's other guitarist uses a Cold Sweat bridge and Abraxas neck in his Schecter C-1 Classic.  Given the different metal styles that they play, he gets a great sound out of this setup.  It is also versatile enough to play many other styles.
Title: which pickup for my guitar???
Post by: nikita on October 21, 2007, 06:41:49 PM
who is TO?

anyway i asked the guys from the bare knuckles pickups and they told me the following:
"for a really versatile set of humbuckers for your C1 I would recommend
the Nailbomb humbucker set-great classic rock/metal tones with good coil
splits and organic clean tone too."

so they are talking about the  Nailbomb humbucker - Calibrated Covered Set -
am i right?
can you tell me what the right options are for my Schecter C1 classic?

spacing: ?
cover : ?
conductor: ?
leg: ?

hope you can help me
Title: which pickup for my guitar???
Post by: Will on October 21, 2007, 07:40:06 PM
TO = Ben / the band Twighlight Odysey - He is on the forum

spacing - measure bridge poles low E to high e
Cover - whichever colour you like  :P
if you want a coil split - 4 conducter
leg length - measure it I think 1/2 an inch is standard and the shorter is for shallow bodys

its in common ordering FAQs at several places around the site
Title: which pickup for my guitar???
Post by: nikita on October 21, 2007, 09:29:59 PM
thanks a lot

btw where can i talk to ben?
Title: which pickup for my guitar???
Post by: 38thBeatle on October 21, 2007, 10:07:18 PM
He will pitch in I am sure.
Title: which pickup for my guitar???
Post by: TwilightOdyssey on October 22, 2007, 04:48:47 PM
Hi nikita,

You can hear my band here.

www.myspace.com/twilightodyssey

ON THE SONGS SQUADRON, LONG DAY, AND OUTLANDERS -- All rhythm guitars are the Cold Sweat bridge pickup. The left channel is the Schechter. (The right side is a parts build strat that PhilKing and I threw together)

All neck leads are the Abraxas in the Schechter. Bridge leads are the Miracle Man.

I think that the Cold Sweat scores over the Nailbomb in terms of absolute precision and it has a bit more grind and agression. It does not have the same midrange width as the Nailbomb, however. Harmonically, they are comparable, but I personally prefer the Cold Sweat.

The Abraxas neck pickup sounds HUGE in the Schechter.

Anyway, check out the songs, and happy hunting!
Title: which pickup for my guitar???
Post by: nikita on October 24, 2007, 09:55:02 PM
i ask Tim and he told me the following:

"Hi

I've had a quick look around the neck to try and track down some specs
for the C1 Classic and as far as I can tell you want 50mm spacing, long
leg, 4 con.............finish....it's hard to tell if the covers are
nickel or chrome in the pics so you'll have to check that......nickel
ages, chrome always stays shiney.

I also noticed that the C1 comes with Seymour Duncan JB/Jazz
pickups.....the NBs are quite close to these in output but have a better
clean tone and more organic mids. If you want to go hotter to handle the
Sabbath/Metallic tones better I would recommend Miracle Man over
Nailbomb.............if your preference is for brighter tones( ACDC,
Hendrix)then the Rebel Yell would be a better choice.

kind regards

Tim"

what do you think?
Title: which pickup for my guitar???
Post by: nikita on October 25, 2007, 12:27:58 PM
i just looked around and people say that the miracle man is good for trash metal and high gain...so im asking you if it will be any good for me, cause i dont get any harder than the old Metallica stuff and black sabbath (maybe some slayer and Pantera!!!

if the MM can handle black sabbath and metallica i was thinking of getting a Miracle Man in the bridge and a cold sweat (or Abreaxas) in the neck
ah yes and dont forget that i also want to have decent cleans!!!

ps.: i use the neck pickup for clean and the bridge for distorted sound!!!

ah...i use a engl fireball....do you think it gets to destorted in combination with a MM?
Title: which pickup for my guitar???
Post by: PhilKing on October 25, 2007, 12:40:08 PM
Did you listen to the sound of TwilightOdyssey in the link that he added in this post?  I still think that the Cold Sweat/Abraxas or even Cold Sweat calibrated set will get what you want.  I changed the pickups and have played the guitar so I know the sounds that it can get.
Title: which pickup for my guitar???
Post by: TwilightOdyssey on October 25, 2007, 02:16:31 PM
Far be it for me to contradict what Tim thinks will work best, but all I can say is: I think I've amply demonstrated what the CS/Abraxas can do, as well as the MM. The choice is yours to make, not ours. It's your guitar, your amp, your money.

Do I think a Nailbomb will sound better than the Cold Sweat? Personally, no. But my playing style is very different from Tim's; he's a very aggressive player that can coax the most face melting tones out of any guitar.

And there ya have it.
Title: which pickup for my guitar???
Post by: carlaz on October 25, 2007, 03:45:44 PM
Quote from: TwilightOdyssey
The Abraxas neck pickup sounds HUGE in the Schechter.


All hail the Abraxas/Crawler neck pup!
(I just wanted to say that ... again. 8))
Title: which pickup for my guitar???
Post by: nikita on October 25, 2007, 09:17:53 PM
hmmm so i'll have to decide:

1.) neck: cold sweat
     bridge: Miracle Man

2.) neck: Abraxas
     bridge: cold sweat

3.) cold sweat calibrated set

man a damn hard decision....
Title: which pickup for my guitar???
Post by: il˙ti on October 25, 2007, 11:50:41 PM
Quote from: carlaz

All hail the Abraxas/Crawler neck pup!
(I just wanted to say that ... again. 8))

Hear hear!
Title: which pickup for my guitar???
Post by: nikita on October 26, 2007, 10:41:52 AM
ok if the cold sweat in the bridge can do the early metallica stuff and the
Abraxas pickup in the neck is able to play the clean parts....i'll take these two!!! (though im the lead guitarist)

im using the bridge for the heavy, destortion stuff and the neck for the clean....that would be ok with these pickups?
Title: which pickup for my guitar???
Post by: gwEm on October 26, 2007, 10:46:06 AM
by the way - Nikita, like the Besson film?
Title: which pickup for my guitar???
Post by: il˙ti on October 26, 2007, 09:55:16 PM
Quote from: nikita
ok if the cold sweat in the bridge can do the early metallica stuff and the
Abraxas pickup in the neck is able to play the clean parts....i'll take these two!!! (though im the lead guitarist)

And both of those would be excellent for leads. If the Cold Sweat is anything like John Sykes' sound. And people say it is. So yeah.
Title: which pickup for my guitar???
Post by: nikita on October 27, 2007, 12:26:34 PM
ben says that the rhythm guitars in his band are the Cold Sweat bridge pickup....and do they have the Abraxas in the neck?...sorry i couldnt figure it out cause i dont understand english that good.... :roll:

so can i use the bridge pickup for destortion and the neck for clean?
Title: which pickup for my guitar???
Post by: PhilKing on October 27, 2007, 01:10:49 PM
Quote from: nikita
ben says that the rhythm guitars in his band are the Cold Sweat bridge pickup....and do they have the Abraxas in the neck?...sorry i couldnt figure it out cause i dont understand english that good.... :roll:

so can i use the bridge pickup for destortion and the neck for clean?


Yes, all the rhythm's in TO's clip are Cold Sweats (2 guitarists, but both have CS bridge pickups).  The cleaner mellower lead tones are the Abraxas neck, the more agressive leads are a Miracle Man bridge in another guitar.  The best example of the Abraxas lead tone is on the intro to Outlanders, where you can hear the notes really ring out.
Title: which pickup for my guitar???
Post by: nikita on October 27, 2007, 01:28:33 PM
ah...thanks...yea the cleans sound great!!!

btw this band sounds awsome...they play great riffs and remind me somehow of Iron Maiden!
Title: which pickup for my guitar???
Post by: nikita on October 28, 2007, 03:17:58 PM
@ben


so ive chosen the abraxas in the neck and the cold sweat in the bridge!

can you tell me what the right options are for my Schecter C1 classic?

spacing: ?
cover : ?
conductor: ?
leg: ?


mfg
Title: which pickup for my guitar???
Post by: Ted on October 28, 2007, 03:21:17 PM
I thought tim answered your questions on the spec of the pickups.

50mm, long leg, four conductor, finish - up to you dude...
Title: which pickup for my guitar???
Post by: nikita on October 28, 2007, 04:08:48 PM
yea i wasnt sure if i should take nickel or chrome...
Title: which pickup for my guitar???
Post by: PhilKing on October 28, 2007, 06:02:45 PM
Doesn't the C1-Classic have gold hardware?  When I changed Jimmy's (TO's other guitarist), it was gold hardware, cherry red guitar, neck through.

On this I think black open coils look the best.
Title: which pickup for my guitar???
Post by: nikita on October 28, 2007, 06:32:43 PM
this is a picture of the c1

http://en.woodbrass.com/images/woodbrass/C1TBLU-1.JPG

no gold pickups...
Title: which pickup for my guitar???
Post by: CJ on October 28, 2007, 06:59:09 PM
Quote from: nikita
this is a picture of the c1

http://en.woodbrass.com/images/woodbrass/C1TBLU-1.JPG

no gold pickups...


you can pick whatever you want. i think chrome would look good, but you can also leave it black... whatever you think will look best.
Title: which pickup for my guitar???
Post by: PhilKing on October 29, 2007, 11:13:12 AM
This is Jimmy's:

http://www.schecterguitars.com/hr.asp?id=3

I guess the different finishes come with different hardware.
Title: which pickup for my guitar???
Post by: nikita on November 08, 2007, 06:59:48 AM
are you able to do some sweet pinch harmonics on the cold sweat bridge?
Title: which pickup for my guitar???
Post by: gwEm on November 08, 2007, 10:52:08 AM
with about 10 minutes of practise i could do pinch harmonics reliably on my neck stormy monday and mild overdrive :)  pinches just seem to be something all BKPs do well... (in my experience)
Title: which pickup for my guitar???
Post by: nikita on November 08, 2007, 04:17:00 PM
anyone can second that on the cold sweat?
Title: which pickup for my guitar???
Post by: MDV on November 08, 2007, 04:20:02 PM
I can pinch on an acoustic, without a pick: its just a question of technique. I see no reason it would be hard on a moderately powerfull and quite trebly bridge pickup.
Title: which pickup for my guitar???
Post by: nikita on November 08, 2007, 04:23:40 PM
my first amp was a Vox ad 50vt and it was kinda difficult to get nice pinchis;
now with the fireball it is soooooo easy.....so maybe its the same with the pickups....
Title: which pickup for my guitar???
Post by: nikita on November 09, 2007, 09:46:15 PM
ok didnt want to start a new thread so i post my question in here:

what do you think is the best pickup for the old metallica stuff

(especially the master of puppets album)?
Title: which pickup for my guitar???
Post by: octavio_amzer on November 09, 2007, 09:58:36 PM
Quote from: nikita
ok didnt want to start a new thread so i post my question in here:

what do you think is the best pickup for the old metallica stuff

(especially the master of puppets album)?


miracle man will do it. Voiced for that kind of playing. I say this with alot of experience.

Miracle Man is made for early Metallica.

just get a cold sweat calibrated set or a cold sweat with a miracle man on the bridge.

I recommend the cold sweat with the miracle man because you like Slayer and Pantera.

with a cold sweat and a miracle man at the bridge you will achieve heavy and beautiful sounds. If you want more versatility without balls to the wall power go for cold sweat calibrated set.

don't abuse the help you are offered here man..  :?
Title: which pickup for my guitar???
Post by: nikita on November 10, 2007, 08:57:14 AM
no never!!!!

im thankful for every useful post!

its just that i come from austria and have to order here in uk....so i have to be 100% sure which pickup to take...