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At The Back => The Dressing Room => Topic started by: Jonesy76 on October 21, 2007, 11:12:25 AM
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It's a bit quiet today on that front!
Well done England for making the final, and really well done for pushing the Boks all the way. For a neutral it wasn't exactly a riveting game of rugby (I'm sure all you England fans were perched on the edge of your seats though), but to be honest exceedingly few of the games since the group stages have really shone out as a great advertisement of how great rugby can be......France V's Argentina for the 3rd place was about as good as it got.
Bring on the rebuilding now for 2011, and lets hope that we maybe start to see some positive rugby again from all involved including the free-flowing Kiwis who lost the plot against France.
One last thing though; anyone else though feel as though they've seen enough drop-goals, or drop-goal attempts, in this world cup to last them a lifetime? Please can someone in the IRB get the damn things dropped to 1 point! 1 point would still have won the world cup in 2003 for England, but it would drop the bloody things out of being a viable tactic for winning a game of rugby.
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Being Scottish I watched the game with my English Girlfriend and her sister, and England were pants. Seriously people, the ball is supposed to be touched to the ground at the opponents end, not passed to Wilkinson to kick, every bloody time he is in range.
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Unfortunately it seems the drop goal and penalty is the only way to win when the teams are so equally matched, so I don't think they are going any where.
I thought the Boks would win - the were the better team and they wanted the victory more. As a consolation I thought the fact that the score was so low was a testament to how England battled on.
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One of my mates is South African and I really didnt care who won, so we had a good time laughing at all the fans who take it too seriously :D
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I watched the game in a SA bar in Putney - f*ck that was a mistake...
kind of killed the rest of the evening.
But I bought a kebab to cheer myself up...
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WE HAD A TRY!!
Would have changed the whole course of the game, stupid video ref...
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I think it was a game too much for England. I obviously wanted them to win and I thought the decision about the try was not a good one but we can't change that.At least they got to the final by beating some great teams and we should sportingly congratulate the boks on a job well done and thanks to all particpants for a generally good spirited competition. I agree that the game last night wasn't the best and the France/Argentina game was hard fought _ I kept thinking how lucky England were for not having to take them on.
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south africa deserved their victory :( our lads put on a great show though, and i'm proud of them. maybe it wasn't elegant rugby, but it was a tense game.
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Sorry Joe but Cuetos foot was on the line, and the ball wasn't on the ground at the same time.........that's why you have video refs. Only blinkered England fans hoped that was a try. The rest of us neutrals saw the foot in touch and knew it wouldn't be given.
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I don't agree i think he got the ball down before, so did the commentators. I think it's a bit unfair having 1 video ref, i think they should have 3 people judging it or something.
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Try BBC news this morning Joe.......and most of the non-tabloid national press......
Most of them have the photograph of Cuetos foot on the line (which is out) and the ball still in midair.
The ITV's commentators would have said they thought it was in because I have to admit they've been the worst, most blatantly one-eyed commentators I've heard since the Aussie ones commentating for Oz tv. Bring back the 6 Nations rugby and the BBC's commentator crew who are infinitely more balanced in their opinions towards the game you're watching. I personally think that ITV's performance has been awful as far as this whole world cup has been concerned, and it's just a shame that the company who throws the most money at the bid wins, rather than the company with the most experience of rugby i.e. either BBC, or SKY Sports
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Try BBC news this morning Joe.......and most of the non-tabloid national press......
Most of them have the photograph of Cuetos foot on the line (which is out) and the ball still in midair.
The ITV's commentators would have said they thought it was in because I have to admit they've been the worst, most blatantly one-eyed commentators I've heard since the Aussie ones commentating for Oz tv. Bring back the 6 Nations rugby and the BBC's commentator crew who are infinitely more balanced in their opinions towards the game you're watching. I personally think that ITV's performance has been awful as far as this whole world cup has been concerned, and it's just a shame that the company who throws the most money at the bid wins, rather than the company with the most experience of rugby i.e. either BBC, or SKY Sports
I only have one response to this post:
Football > Rugby :P
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Being Welsh I'm not going to say a word about the rugby... :/
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Well you can't really having not got as far as the final. :wink:
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By the way you lot played you could say the same about you ;)
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oh dear-we could go on all night like this couldn't we.
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I'm Welsh and am married to a Kiwi.........
Rugby isn't just a sport in our household.........
It's a way of life :D :wink:
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I'm Welsh and am married to a Kiwi.........
Rugby isn't just a sport in our household.........
It's a way of life :D :wink:
I could make a hooker joke, but I'm new here so I wont!
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I'm just suprised no-ones come in with a sheep joke yet! :lol:
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Football > Rugby :P
*AAA* can't even beat the Russians at our national sport *HEM*
It wasn't a try sadly - his foot had touched the line, and congratulations to the ref for making the right decision, because I was sure it was a try until I saw the footage frame by frame.
Something should be done to encourage tries, because kicking games are Rubbish. shrink the teams down to 14, wider pitch, perhaps?
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Like everyone I always want to see tries run in..however in knockout competitions when winner takes all, it just wont happen, too much pressure for people to take the risk - unless the team behind gets desperate and the game opens out.
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What you need is for drop goals to be reduced down to 1 point - they're a bloody negative aspect to the game anyway, and possibly have penatlies reduced to 2 points. Then you need to up the points for a try to 6. That way you'll encourage teams to run the ball and score tries, whereas at the moment most teams simply drive the ball down the field in Up-the-jumper style and then wait for any infringement so they can pass the ball to their kicker.
Make penalties less profitable, and make tries more profitable and teams will naturally make more of an attempt to get the ball over the line rather than rely on their kicker.
Not going to happen though when a number of the IRB's officials in that field are English, and even most English fans will admit that their backs aren't half as good as a lot of other teams. The English pack is probably 1st or 2nd in the world, but their counterparts behind them aren't in that league at the moment.
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To play devils advocate :twisted: , if you made tries so overwhelming in terms of points, teams would do anything to stop them and infringe more. Having watched England get dropped kicked out of the cup I still wouldnt reduce the value of drop goals - we had to find a way to stop them from getting into position. Francois Steyne banging a drop goal over from the half way line from a 22 drop out was fantastic skill...and made the opposition think more to overcome it. 7's rugby is there if you want to see open play, and I personally wouldn't want to change the dynamics of 15's - stop the infringements, that would open it up more.
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Football > Rugby :P
*AAA* can't even beat the Russians at our national sport *HEM*
What has my quote got to do with beating the russians at football? :P
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I see your point Kevin, but 7's rugby is regarded as the poor cousin to the 15 game, and most of us out there would prefer to see fast, flowing, running rugby rather than just seeing the obvious outcome of this current brand of rugby..............
Bigger, more muscular, more powerful, and hopelessly less mobile professional rugby players for playing grind up the pitch rugby. If that happens I'll be forced to stop watching International rugby as it's not what I grew up with, and not what I recognise as a proper version of the game. I've never been one to watch in awe at a great defence.....show me Shane Williams dancing past a couple of tackles to go in at the corner any day as that is where I feel the skill is. Any Bath fans out there will undoutedly disagree :wink:
And even though I agree that Steyns drop goal was immense in the final, how many have you seen miss in this world cup? It just kills the game dead which diminishes the game as a spectacle. If us rugby fans want our game to be taken seriously it has to be able to be a spectacle that non-fans will enjoy and bring them into the game. For the last 4 years New Zealand have been trying to do that, but for some unfathomable reason they tried the Northern Hemisphere tactic of boring boring rugby in their quarter final against France and subsequently lost (not that the ref missed the most blatant forward pass of the match to allow for Frances match winning try! :evil: )
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A double whammy...you've had a dig at England and now Bath ;) :cry: :shock: who are currently playing some of the most flowing rugby in the Premiership :)
I agree about NZ...although i think they started to go away from their counter attack rugby a year ago which allowed them to play that fast flowing game against defences that werent set and the results spoke for themselves.
I can't resist pointing to this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/7059673.stm
But I do fundamentally agree that sometimes an arm wrestle isn't a great spectacle, but I still say that when the stakes are high it is kind of innevitable until one team is far enough behind that they throw caution to the wind.